McCain, Obama, Baldwin, Barr, Nader: Who Gets Your Vote?

[tajitj]

These are the likely candidates on the ballot in November.

Who gets your vote?

(Wait For Poll)

DO NOT COUNT OUT HILLARY CLINTON. We are hoping for a Paul delegate revolt. So is Hillary, but she will have 45% of the delegates at their national convention. She is going to take it to the floor and make the delegates decide on electability. She does have a case. She is winning important states and does have the popular vote. I personally think she is a disgusting politician who is planning on socialism. I want her to take it from Obama so we can tap into his young supporters who will be disenfranchised.

[kombayn]

^Oh man, that'd be a dream come true for Ralph Nader and John McCain. If she pulls that bull$#@!, McCain will win the election, the GOP would rally to keep that crazy bitch out of office. I hate the Clintons, they're a bunch of nitwits.

[itshappening]

dont see what good writing in Paul is, just vote LP even if you have to hold your nose

[Maltheus]

If the libertarians went with someone pure, like a Ruwart, they'd be the rallying point for the movement. But most have us have given up on the Republicans and the Democrats precisely because the have no principles. And the Libertarian party has been going off track for some time now. They're just Republican-light now.

Barr may be a true convert, but he comes across as a bit of an opportunist as are so many vying for the Ron Paul vote. I'm sure he was chosen for his visibility, but I'm not in it for the games anymore. If we're going to sink McCain, I want to do it for the right reasons because we will be blamed down the line for the socialist hell that's coming.

The religious stuff is something I'll have to look more into, but I'm leaning towards Baldwin right now. He seems the closest match to Paul right now. I don't feel like I have to compromise my principles to support him.

[revolutionary8]

If the libertarians went with someone pure, like a Ruwart, they'd be the rallying point for the movement. But most have us have given up on the Republicans and the Democrats precisely because the have no principles. And the Libertarian party has been going off track for some time now. They're just Republican-light now.

Actually I feel the LP is Deomcrat-light. They are for open borders, birthright citizenship, and pro abortion. The Libertarian party has said they don't want to draw Republicans.
I feel as if the Libertarian Party is the new Democrat Party, and the Democrats are now all Green Party Socialists.

[RevolutionSD]

Actually I feel the LP is Deomcrat-light. They are for open borders, birthright citizenship, and pro abortion. The Libertarian party has said they don't want to draw Republicans.
I feel as if the Libertarian Party is the new Democrat Party, and the Democrats are now all Green Party Socialists.

Building a wall on the border is a Repblican idea.
Small-l libertarians would not want a wall at the border. The solution is to eliminate the welfare state. No wall necessary. If we want the government to build a wall, it won't be long before they are keeping us IN the country.

[Bison]

Baldwin. He fought long and hard for RP. He truly believes in the message and can communicate it with passion. He is a true Patriot.

[AlexMerced]

I would love a Barr/Baldwin ticket, but in the end, it'smore practical for movement to vote for Barr. It was never about Ron Paul, it was always about keeping the message where it can be heard. Whether you like Barr or not, a good showing by him, and a bad showing from Mccain will cause a huge second look at Ron Paul.

that's just reality.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Bob Barr

It's not just a vote for Bob Barr .. It's a vote for the LP

You should have made this vote public, I would love to know who voted for John McCain.

[mrchubbs]

Plz quit with these stupid ass poles!

Can't you make up your own mind?

Why do you need to survey everyone?

p.s. I assume that everyone who creates these threads
is trying to kill the freedom movement.

First of all, it is "polls". For a second there I thought you were denouncing my Polish ancestors. :-)

My mind has been made up for quite awhile now. I was supportive of Barr the minute I heard he may be seeking the Libertarian nomination. I still support him now, and am happy that he got the nomination. I've been writing about him off and on for the last couple months on Liberty Maven: http://libertymaven.com/ if you need "proof".

The survey was to find out if Barr (among us Ron Paul supporters) has the majority or if Baldwin (or someone else) does. So far it seems Barr is ahead. I'm a bit surprised to see so many write-ins for Ron Paul. In my opinion (and others) doing that accomplishes nothing except maybe a clean conscience. Writing in Ron Paul will do nothing to help spread his message. In doing so you are ignoring Ron Paul's wishes when he says it is more about the message than the man.

As for these "polls" having the power to "kill the freedom movement"... well... thanks for lending the poll infinitely more power than it has... I guess. The "movement" will live or die irrespective of any poll on RPF.

In fact, the power the poll will have will be precisely the same power writing in "Ron Paul" on the ballot will have: nothing.


Enjoy.

[familydog]

Bob Barr

It's not just a vote for Bob Barr .. It's a vote for the LP

You should have made this vote public, I would love to know who voted for John McCain.

And here I thought this movement was beyond party loyalty. I guess that is the case only when it is convenient.

[Cowlesy]

And here I thought this movement was beyond party loyalty. I guess that is the case only when it is convenient.

Don't take JTL so literally. He truly exists on his own unique plane of existence that no one fully comprehends.

If you research Barr like many others here and think he's a solid candidate, he's worth your support! I don't think there are too many true party loyalists here, at least not so from my own observation.

[revolutionary8]

Alright, who the hell voted for McCain?
lmao.
"Come out come out where ever yew arrrreee"

[Kludge]

Don't take JTL so literally. He truly exists on his own unique plane of existence that no one fully comprehends.

If you research Barr like many others here and think he's a solid candidate, he's worth your support! I don't think there are too many true party loyalists here, at least not so from my own observation.

The Party of Principle needs no thought when a NOTA vote is not available. I will probably vote LP for many years to come.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Barr. I don't need to decide between Barr and Baldwin because Baldwin most likely won't be on the ballot in my state. Anyway, I'm pretty sure anyone who writes-in RP is essentially not voting since the person has to be an actual candidate who registered as a write-in... they won't count anything and it's useless.

So is voting for third, fourth, or fifth spot of someone correctly on the ballot.

Really your only choices are The Dem nominee, the GOP nominee, or some other protest vote. I will protest vote for Ron Paul.

[Luft97]

There is a bigger war going on here.. and the people calling the LP sellouts are shooting their own team.
You want to see how fast this movement self-destructs. Keep it up. You'll get your wish soon enough.

+1 Agreed.

[Rangeley]

A few months ago I would have said I would write in Ron Paul, but I have since realized that is simply ineffective. Given that they do not count or report these numbers unless they register as a write in, it will go unnoticed and become easily ignored.

So at this point I am definitely leaning towards Barr. And I completely agree with torchbearer on this. If you really want to get caught up in the feud which has completely neutralized the Libertarian Party as a force since its founding, do not be surprised by its results. Barr is not the ideal candidate, and even though I would absolutely love to see Ron Paul on the top of the Republican ticket, I recognize he is not the "ideal" candidate either.

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means advocating a vote for the lesser of two, three, or however many evils. What I am advocating, though, is recognizing that not all candidates out there are evil - some are actually good. Barr is one of them, Baldwin is one of them. And in my opinion, Barr comes out on top. Though I certainly understand that others will support Baldwin - I don't have a problem with that.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

And here I thought this movement was beyond party loyalty. I guess that is the case only when it is convenient.

The LP has not lost its way, unlike the GOP that you're a member of. I gave RP my vote, I'm not chained with any one party, but the LP is THE third party in America, it is larger than the GP and CP combined and I'd like to see it become the new mainstream party. Let's break the two party system!!!

[LibertyOfOne]

The LP has not lost its way, unlike the GOP that you're a member of. I gave RP my vote, I'm not chained with any one party, but the LP is THE third party in America, it is larger than the GP and CP combined and I'd like to see it become the new mainstream party. Let's break the two party system!!!

What are you talking about? The L.P has turned into G.O.P 2.0.

[Maltheus]

If you really want to get caught up in the feud which has completely neutralized the Libertarian Party as a force since its founding, do not be surprised by its results.

But you have just pointed out the problem with the Libertarian party, they've already been feuding for some time and that's not going to change anytime soon. I suspect at lot of people were brought to this movement because of Ron Paul and the LP still seems like a great "new" idea. But all the long term Libertarians I know are completely fed up with that party and none of them had Barr high up on their lists. Since you can't sway most of the principled types to vote for Barr, it seems like a wasted effort to rally around him.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What are you talking about? The L.P has turned into G.O.P 2.0.

How so? Are you booed at LP events for saying, "let's get out of Iraq!" like you are at GOP events? I think not!

[familydog]

How so? Are you booed at LP events for saying, "let's get out of Iraq!" like you are at GOP events? I think not!

Electing a Republican as their nominee should make it quite obvious.

[allyinoh]

I guess my question a few posts back got looked over.

Baldwin has been behind Paul for a long time. He has written several things and he's the closest to Ron Paul running right now. Where was Barr's endorsement? Where has Barr been? Has he been speaking out on behalf of Ron Paul and the message?

[Maltheus]

Electing a Republican as their nominee should make it quite obvious.

I know, I feel like we've just been thrown away by two parties in a row this year. The problem is the party system itself. Once a party gets big enough, it's principles always seem to suffer for it. I gave my first $100 to Ron Paul back when he had nothing, not because I felt he'd be the most visible candidate, but because I knew him to be principled. And that's what got so many different people on board with him and turned him into something of a sensation. Barr will never be able to inspire that. The LP seems to be going after disaffected Republicans (who likely go back, once McCain's out of the picture), rather than us.

[LibertyEagle]

The LP seems to be going after disaffected Republicans (who likely go back, once McCain's out of the picture), rather than us.

Is this all about political parties now? Isn't there something more important, like saving our country?

[familydog]

The LP seems to be going after disaffected Republicans (who likely go back, once McCain's out of the picture), rather than us.

Its true. In the process, they are watering down their message. Any new people they gain because of Barr will demand that same watered down message in local and presidential candidates. Had they liked the strict libertarian philosophy in the first place, they would have went to the party already, for the most part.

[LibertyEagle]

I certainly understand your concern, familydog.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Electing a Republican as their nominee should make it quite obvious.

Former Republican. Gravel came close and he's a former Democrat, so let's not call it GOP lite. The LP has the ability to reach into both parties.

[Aratus]

somebody here voted for obama, somebody here voted for mccain, and if i admit to being
the lonesome nader vote inside this poll although in other polls i've voted for ron paul,
mike gravel and bob barr, it seems to me most of us here are divided up in more than 3 basic
directions. clearly chuck baldwin is now at 17.5 percent as bob barr is at 44.5% but this also
has 35% of us intending to write Ron Paul in, still! --- it takes more of an effort to do a write-in!!!
write-ins actually are not a way to throw away the vote, however they are an exercise in tenacity...
they seem a futility, and yes... in a mood of frustration we can feel righteous. i am slightly lazy.
i know i won't be voting for the two main contenders this time around just to make a point...

[Aratus]

if i'm flipping a coin this november between nader and barr when i'm in the booth... don't be surprised!