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    is it possible that this guy WAS a racist in 1985 but is no longer a racist today??

    I know its easy to be cynical about people, but that was 23 years ago. A lot can change in that kinda time. As far as the KKK campaign manager, the KKK is like the evil twin brother of the Masons, these people infiltrate every aspect of society in order tio give their own the upper hand. Thats not a new or innovative strategy, hell we're doing it to push our ideals. The point is, these people imbed themselves in local and national politics, many with no official record of racism or discrimination, and its next to impossible to purge them, even when they are exposed.

    Racist or not, if the guy knows the local sociopolitical atmosphere, thats the guy i want as my campaign manager.

    I'm only a year older than Paces book, and I used to be a lot of things that I'm not today.



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  3. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by revolutionman View Post
    is it possible that this guy WAS a racist in 1985 but is no longer a racist today??

    Racist or not, if the guy knows the local sociopolitical atmosphere, thats the guy i want as my campaign manager.

    I'm only a year older than Paces book, and I used to be a lot of things that I'm not today.
    Sure it's possible he's no longer racist, but given that he (apparently) has a long and public record of activism on racial issues--with no easily found public record denouncing them--and claims his views are identical to Dr. Paul's, yes, we have a problem.

    Hiring a KKK campaign manager is NOT acceptable.
    My review of the For Liberty documentary:
    digg.com/d315eji
    (please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)

    "This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."

    Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley in DC View Post
    Sure it's possible he's no longer racist, but given that he (apparently) has a long and public record of activism on racial issues--with no easily found public record denouncing them--and claims his views are identical to Dr. Paul's, yes, we have a problem.

    Hiring a KKK campaign manager is NOT acceptable.
    Given his shifting use of names, it's not easy to find much on him at all. That is rarely a good sign for a politician.

    Oh, and I got the boot from the meetup group without having any of the questions answered. So much for that.
    Last edited by amy31416; 05-07-2008 at 07:41 AM.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    I read the meetup group thread. It's discouraging (except for Mara's lone voice of reason). People are making emotional judgements instead of taking a moment to pursue the truth in a situation that could be harmful to the public perception of the Ron Paul revolution. There are bigger issues at stake than just Mr. Johnson's election bid (that's my two zinc pennies).
    I compiled a "brief" history of events since October 2008 that are defining the global currency war and the role that gold is playing:

    Tin Foil Hats, Economic Reality and the Total Perspective Vortex

    Also, have you contacted your Congressional Rep and asked them co-sponsor Ron Paul's Rep. Paul Broun Jr.'s HR 1098 77: Free Competition in Currencies Act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I read the meetup group thread. It's discouraging (except for Mara's lone voice of reason). People are making emotional judgements instead of taking a moment to pursue the truth in a situation that could be harmful to the public perception of the Ron Paul revolution. There are bigger issues at stake than just Mr. Johnson's election bid (that's my two zinc pennies).
    Mara's posting was spot-on--she and fitz are the only ones who seem to want to know and allow questions. Both my posts were polite and respectful, only asking questions, not making accusations.

    The first response was from a guy who does identify as a White Nationalist, which is not a great sign, but I didn't say squat about it. In his next response, he wants to sue me for slander just for asking the questions.

    Perhaps I at least put the question in their minds.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    All of this raises the serious question of how the Arlington official campaign staff got Dr. Paul to endorse this guy.
    My review of the For Liberty documentary:
    digg.com/d315eji
    (please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)

    "This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."

    Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley in DC View Post
    All of this raises the serious question of how the Arlington official campaign staff got Dr. Paul to endorse this guy.
    Either they're lazy, didn't do their homework or are completely incompetent.

    Was RP's endorsement written or spoken?
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffaduf View Post

    "Race and Reason Welcomes Jessie Johnson: 3 of 3"

    Discusses likelihood of violent uprising, etc. Lauding David Duke (they were former campaign manager other was with KKK with him). Skinheads "aware and articulate", tip of iceberg of new youth that "going to win the battle and restore America" for white racialist movement.

    Website promoted in the video:
    http://www.resist.com/

    Including these:

    ARYAN UPDATES

    | Aryan Updates 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999 |


    RACIST GAMES

    WARNING: Potentially Offensive material beyond this point. resist.com is an expression of the First Amendment right to free speech. Any of the following pages, photo's, or other material contained within this webpage is not, I REPEAT, is not to be taken as a THREAT to ANYTHING or ANYONE! *** The material supplied is NOT an instruction or a directive to use against anyone. However, if one does take the information provided and acts violently upon it, it is their responsibility and solely theirs. *** If you feel that my freedom of speech is a direct -THREAT- of your -CIVIL RIGHTS- do not continue with this page. If you do continue and you feel -THREATENED- then that is YOUR OWN FAULT, not mine. I will not be held responsible for what -FEELINGS- this page provokes. *** resist.com is not intended for children, the immature, the meek or faint hearted. *** If you are over 18, mature and stronghearted please continue. *** Otherwise close this webpage Now.
    My review of the For Liberty documentary:
    digg.com/d315eji
    (please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)

    "This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."

    Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.

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    Geesh,

    Glad to see Bradley and the rest of the focus group are concentrating on the meaningful things in life...

    God fricking forbid!

    Seems full of $#@!.

    What do you reckon?

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    The only location stating that RP has officially endorsed him is on DailyPaul.com I would think that HQ would of done a simple Google search, but who knows? Its also interesting to note that on my sample ballot his prior job is listed as being "International Corporate Lawyer" Not exactly the type of experience I'd prefer for supreme court judge in LA...
    Last edited by H Roark; 05-07-2008 at 11:20 AM.

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    Nice job defending our cause zadrock. It's sad to me that our message can be so perverted that people would think it is racist. Hopefully for all the idiot comments you got in there, there were a few people who actually thought about what you were saying.

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    "I know not everyone thinks i should have threw those 2 guys out of the group but i believe they both worked for the Press.They both told me that they were Ron Paul supporters when they both barely joined meetup yesterday and werent members of any Ron Paul meetups.We all have questions about Bill and we are not the ones with the answers.We just know and love Bill and we hope we can either move on or better yet find out that none of this was true.I gave them Bills email if they have anything to ask Bill or set up a interview with Bill. Please do not JUDGE Bill until we talk to Bill ourselves.The media has been the enemy for us Ron Paul supporters and now the media has us at the crossroads.How did this happen?Wouldn't we want each others support if this happened to us?Everybody can do what they want to but I'm sticking with Bill!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffaduf View Post
    "I know not everyone thinks i should have threw those 2 guys out of the group but i believe they both worked for the Press.They both told me that they were Ron Paul supporters when they both barely joined meetup yesterday and werent members of any Ron Paul meetups.We all have questions about Bill and we are not the ones with the answers.We just know and love Bill and we hope we can either move on or better yet find out that none of this was true.I gave them Bills email if they have anything to ask Bill or set up a interview with Bill. Please do not JUDGE Bill until we talk to Bill ourselves.The media has been the enemy for us Ron Paul supporters and now the media has us at the crossroads.How did this happen?Wouldn't we want each others support if this happened to us?Everybody can do what they want to but I'm sticking with Bill!"
    Funny. I'm one of the "guys" he threw out and I didn't get Bill's email address from him.

    I'm certainly not a member of the press either, but they'll never find out the truth if they don't ask the questions.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    I've never liked the way people get all "hyper" about perceived opposition. The members of that Meetup group ought to be more focused on the issues and the truth, and less on the effects those things might have on "their" candidate's chances. After all, we only support Ron Paul Republicans based on their positions and their character - surely those things are therefore subject to open scrutiny!

    Speaking of which, some of these "traditional Democrat" policies don't strike me as very reminiscent of Ron Paul: http://web.archive.org/web/200608131...com/issues.htm

    Again, though, I really appreciate you guys looking into this. We don't need or want to be associating with bigots, and neither do any real Ron Paul Republicans. I'm sure this is a troubling and disillusioning experience for those Meetup members, but they'd better get past it quick, in the interest of the integrity of our whole movement. (...Not that WE'LL ever be held back!!)

    -Peter Gay


    EDIT: For the lazier among us, here's some examples of none-too-Paulian positions espoused by Johnson on that website:

    No Refugees - At the end of all past conflicts, America has taken in a large number of refugees from countries we have fought. This time we should not make immigration available to the vanquished Iraqis.

    Health Care Reform
    Bill Johnson intends to give serious consideration to a universal health care system similar to the Massachusetts State example of mandatory health coverage. This plan would require all persons to procure and maintain health coverage either through their employers or as an individual. No subsidies or coverage would be available to illegal immigrants.

    Role of Corporations in America
    Corporations and business enterprise play a vital role in America, but under the leadership of special-interest Republicans, that role has been obscured. Businesses should not have as its primary goal the generation of shareholder profits and excessive executive compensation--at the expense of society, the environment and the worker. Corporate America should be encouraged to establish the following goals in the following order:
    • Provide valuable goods and services to its customers
    • Provide living wages to its employees, and a working environment that will enable the employee to enjoy life in the fullest
    • Promote sound environmental policies that will help preserve this great land for our descendants.
    If the corporations will embrace these goals, then government must reciprocate. This means that the government must reduce taxes, government expenditures, and the size and reach of government. We must also dramatically reduce the current litigious environment that acts to redistribute wealth to litigants and their legal counsel.
    In order to earn easy profits and to drive down domestic labor costs, Republican policies encourage the outsourcing of jobs overseas and illegal immigration. They also are not as sensitive to environmental concerns as they should be. Traditional Democrats promote the environment and the work force, while creating a business environment that corporate leadership embraces.

    Environment and Energy
    Bill Johnson is an environmentalist. Dealing with the nation?s energy problem is a top priority. He strongly supports legislation that will preserve our nation?s natural resources for future generations. It is important to cut day-to-day consumption by all segments of society. Steps to curtail global warming should be given top priority.

    Science Education in School
    Bill Johnson will support science education in school. Intelligent design is an appropriate topic for church, but not the schoolroom .
    Last edited by Crash Martinez; 05-07-2008 at 12:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozwest View Post
    Geesh,

    Glad to see Bradley and the rest of the focus group are concentrating on the meaningful things in life...

    God fricking forbid!

    Seems full of $#@!.

    What do you reckon?
    I'm told that Lew Moore pushed through Ron Paul's endorsement of this guy. The issues I raise here are of great concern to those with political ties to Dr. Paul that predate the Arlington HQ staffers (if that's what you mean by "focus group"). Value is subjective, but yes, protecting my idol from racists claiming his mantel with the help of incompetents is meaningful to me.
    My review of the For Liberty documentary:
    digg.com/d315eji
    (please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)

    "This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."

    Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Martinez View Post
    I've never liked the way people get all "hyper" about perceived opposition. The members of that Meetup group ought to be more focused on the issues and the truth, and less on the effects those things might have on "their" candidate's chances. After all, we only support Ron Paul Republicans based on their positions and their character - surely those things are therefore subject to open scrutiny!

    Speaking of which, some of these "traditional Democrat" policies don't strike me as very reminiscent of Ron Paul: http://web.archive.org/web/200608131...com/issues.htm

    Again, though, I really appreciate you guys looking into this. We don't need or want to be associating with bigots, and neither do any real Ron Paul Republicans. I'm sure this is a troubling and disillusioning experience for those Meetup members, but they'd better get past it quick, in the interest of the integrity of our whole movement. (...Not that WE'LL ever be held back!!)

    -Peter Gay
    Thanks. We here are guilty of it as well, and I do understand it. Sometimes the truth is painful, and doesn't mesh with our experience.

    For instance, the racist-leaning postcard that HQ put out that Wonkette got their hands on. While I still certainly don't think RP is a racist, it was certainly an eye-opener as to how dumb the HQ could be at times. (I know, I know--us "Yankees" don't get it. Nope, I don't."

    The newsletters. It was an eye-opener about RP's blind trust in those he counts on. We were all quite reactionary about that.

    If the truth is troubling and disillusioning, all the more reason to pursue it. The alternative is electing someone whose weaknesses you don't really know.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley in DC View Post
    I'm told that Lew Moore pushed through Ron Paul's endorsement of this guy. The issues I raise here are of great concern to those with political ties to Dr. Paul that predate the Arlington HQ staffers (if that's what you mean by "focus group"). Value is subjective, but yes, protecting my idol from racists claiming his mantel with the help of incompetents is meaningful to me.
    Fair enough Bradley.

    But isn't this somewhat Bollywood?

    Somehow ancient and redundant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozwest View Post
    Fair enough Bradley.

    But isn't this somewhat Bollywood?

    Somehow ancient and redundant...
    To me, and I don't speak for everyone, this speaks to the character of this movement. If Bill Johnson is the racist creep that he appears to be, having him as a "Ron Paul Republican" cuts into both our credibility and our status of having honest candidates. Overlooking someone like this guy may mean nothing, or it might be something that blows up in our faces and completely discredits us.

    If I were supporting this guy, I'd want to know, even if it sucked at first.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    Once again, I LIVE in LA County, so it is of great concern to myself and I'm sure others as well. He ran as a DEMOCRAT as recent as 2006. I can't really say I have a good impression of him so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    To me, and I don't speak for everyone, this speaks to the character of this movement. If Bill Johnson is the racist creep that he appears to be, having him as a "Ron Paul Republican" cuts into both our credibility and our status of having honest candidates. Overlooking someone like this guy may mean nothing, or it might be something that blows up in our faces and completely discredits us.

    If I were supporting this guy, I'd want to know, even if it sucked at first.
    Maybe considerations should be made for the stupidity of the American electorate.

    Forever and a day you are engrossed with sideline issues.

    Eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

    Need I say more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozwest View Post
    Maybe considerations should be made for the stupidity of the American electorate.

    Forever and a day you are engrossed with sideline issues.

    Eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

    Need I say more...
    I am sure I don't understand the point here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Martinez View Post
    I am sure I don't understand the point here...
    Please explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Martinez View Post
    I am sure I don't understand the point here...
    I guess, the point is, you don't have elections.

    It's more of a media performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozwest View Post
    Maybe considerations should be made for the stupidity of the American electorate.

    Forever and a day you are engrossed with sideline issues.

    Eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

    Need I say more...
    I can understand why you'd see this as a sideline issue, when there are much bigger fish to fry.

    The way that I view this movement is thus: We are in our infancy, building foundations upon which we will stand or fall based on the solidity of said foundation. If we start looking the other way when someone says "I'm a Ron Paul Republican," when it's quite possible they are not, or that they are using the name to garner support, then the solidity of the foundation is compromised.

    I have no room for opportunists or racists trying to hijack RP's name.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

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    Well, What are you saying?? That if people were paying attention to real issues, George Bush would never be President? I mean, yeah, I guess that's true, but I seem to be a little slow at picking up the connection between that and the current discussion...

    -----

    also slow at posting responses! hahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I have no room for opportunists or racists trying to hijack RP's name.
    Exactly. I mean, it's bound to happen along the way, but if we can do anything to keep it to a minimum, especially when we know a specific case, I think we ought to be distancing ourselves very clearly from such people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I can understand why you'd see this as a sideline issue, when there are much bigger fish to fry.

    The way that I view this movement is thus: We are in our infancy, building foundations upon which we will stand or fall based on the solidity of said foundation. If we start looking the other way when someone says "I'm a Ron Paul Republican," when it's quite possible they are not, or that they are using the name to garner support, then the solidity of the foundation is compromised.

    I have no room for opportunists or racists trying to hijack RP's name.
    I think you should drop your "tag line".

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