Msg from Jonathan Bydlak -- willing to answer questions

[SteveMartin]

Just move along Jonathan, Steve is the major player who promoted the whole "Billionaire" scam that diverted our attention from what we should have been focusing on.

He did that by speculating based upon a rumor as well. Now he has, if you haven't read, us speculating that Ron Paul will be in Borat II, it just gets zanier and zanier! Whoopee!

Amy,

You are wrong. Call Dick Mills, his number is available publicly on his website at: www.RonPaulFriendsUSA.com, or call John Stadtmiller whose number is also publicly available with regard to his radio show.

All I did was go to the source of these rumors and flesh them out. My conclusion is that both Dick and John were credible.

I am used to being the "beatup messenger," but don't expect me to be unfairly criticized without proving YOU wrong.

[constituent]

Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight). I never complained when I never heard a thing after repeated inquiries, I just continued to work my tail off for Dr. Paul, and had many successes to show for it here in Maine, as well. Many like me have reported similar experiences...many who have been in the patriot movement for decades.

Many people in the grassroots--experienced, top-notch people in their fields with glowing credentials or resumes--offered their services at little or no charge in a variety of areas, or filed applications to work for the campaign. They were all routinely (and sometimes rudely) rebuffed. Hard to feel the GR ever acheived any real respect at all from many at HQ, and this may have led to many other unfortunate results for the entire movement.

please take it to hot topics. a "gay" conspiracy sounds ridiculous, even the accusation getting out these tubes might get ugly. just a thought.

[TruthAtLast]

Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight). I never complained when I never heard a thing after repeated inquiries, I just continued to work my tail off for Dr. Paul, and had many successes to show for it here in Maine, as well. Many like me have reported similar experiences...many who have been in the patriot movement for decades.

Many people in the grassroots--experienced, top-notch people in their fields with glowing credentials or resumes--offered their services at little or no charge in a variety of areas, or filed applications to work for the campaign. They were all routinely (and sometimes rudely) rebuffed. Hard to feel the GR ever acheived any real respect at all from many at HQ, and this may have led to many other unfortunate results for the entire movement.

Though I see your frustration and concern, I think JB has said his piece on the subject. When talking about a long-term strategy for the Movement (not just this particular campaign) this topic might not be particularly relevant. Though it is important to see where mistakes were made, they are only important for the reason of fixing those mistakes for the future.

From reading these responses, I think a lot of the issues stem from the limited time Ron Paul had. Being an active Congressman, he didn't have time to campaign more, or do more fundraisers, or respond to every news reporter, etc. There may have been other issues with HQ but there were also several errors by the grassroots as well.

The question really is, what now? Of course there are things we can do immediately but also in terms of long term planning, I'm not sure how much thought has gone into this. We seem to be pretty good on a 6 month plan (even though many people aren't moving in the same direction). But what about a 2-year plan when hundreds of other Congressional seats are up for re-election? What about a 4-year plan for the next presidential race? Yes, it is important to be flexible but none of my businesses would have succeeded if I didn't have some kind of long-term strategy which could be broken down into achievable and measureable steps. I don't subscribe to the "take it as it comes" philosophy.

Those are the things I, and I know many others are very interested in and love to get JB's input because of his involvement with HQ.

[amy31416]

Amy,

You are wrong. Call Dick Mills, his number is available publicly on his website at: www.RonPaulFriendsUSA.com, or call John Stadtmiller whose number is also publicly available with regard to his radio show.

All I did was go to the source of these rumors and flesh them out. My conclusion is that both Dick and John were credible.

I am used to being the "beatup messenger," but don't expect me to be unfairly criticized without proving YOU wrong.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There was no billionaire making a documentary. You supposedly got this info from the Granny Warriors, who got it from, I don't know, Santa Claus?

Now you got it from Dick and John?

Not sure how you proved me wrong, when you were the one who came onto this message board, distracted everyone, and nothing came to fruition. I, personally, will not forgive you for doing that based on a supposed rumor.

With that said, I'm done commenting on it because it's contrary to the purpose of this thread. You did a disservice to this movement and you do a disservice to comedy by calling yourself SteveMartin. He was actually funny. You are simply tragic. You owe us all an apology.

[SteveMartin]

Amy,

Again, your facts are off. I never said I got the "billionaire rumor" from the granny warriors. That original billionaire rumor thread was posted for a couple of days (if I remember) before I even posted there, and put up by "first-time-only-time" newbie, whose IP was traced to (I think) Ohio State University. I live in northern Maine.

I will apologize for you as you are the one who needs it.

Folks, I am sorry you have to read the inaccurate musings of someone who is trying to paste things to me that can not stick because they simply are not true.

[Don]

Don,

I had asked this question of Jonathan, but I would like your opinion as well. Thanks.

I will never forget the exact moment I had this conversation with Ron. It was the day before the Value Voter's Debacle, err...I mean debate, in Florida. Karl (Ron's security director) and I picked Ron and Carol up at the airport and were driving back to the hotel. Karl was driving, Ron was riding shotgun with Carol behind Karl and me behind Ron. Carol mentioned in passing that Tancredo had just announced that he was accepting matching funds. She then asked Ron if he was considering it. Ron spun in his seat, nostrils flaring, and declared, "I DON'T TAKE STOLEN MONEY!"

After that, although some pined about how much we were giving up, I knew that this was one decision that would never be changed.

My respect for Ron, which I thought couldn't get any higher, went up that day.

[libertarian4321]

Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight).

My BS detector is going off big time. Are you suggesting that you applied to the campaign and the application asked what your sexual preference was? C'mon, give me a break.

If you didn't get called back, maybe you just weren't good enough (shocking?). Stop looking for excuses.

Steve, I have a question for you. What is with your obsession about homosexuality and how is it really relevant to the campaign?

One of the most hard core libertarian guys I know is openly gay, and he's also a huge Ron Paul supporter. His $2,300 was as good as anyone else's. His sign waving was just as good as anyone else's.

[Creampuff]

There! Now you've been initiated into the forum.

What? You didn't think stopping in to say "Thanks" was going to be controversial?

Glad to see new blood still arriving. and if you don't read between the lines....

WELCOME TO THE RABBIT HOLE!

Now where the heck did JB go? This was the most informative thread we've had on here in a long while.

I feel well initiated thanks. A creampuff is a pretty sweet thing. I guess I'd better name my gender, I am a her not a him. But don't hold that against me, I am probably more loyal than most men are to Ron Paul. I've had a lot in common with this dear man for years. This fight for Liberty must continue.

[The Lantern]

I will never forget the exact moment I had this conversation with Ron. It was the day before the Value Voter's Debacle, err...I mean debate, in Florida. Karl (Ron's security director) and I picked Ron and Carol up at the airport and were driving back to the hotel. Karl was driving, Ron was riding shotgun with Carol behind Karl and me behind Ron. Carol mentioned in passing that Tancredo had just announced that he was accepting matching funds. She then asked Ron if he was considering it. Ron spun in his seat, nostrils flaring, and declared, "I DON'T TAKE STOLEN MONEY!"

After that, although some pined about how much we were giving up, I knew that this was one decision that would never be changed.

My respect for Ron, which I thought couldn't get any higher, went up that day.

I can understand not taking the money, but was there any reason there could not have been a press conference to announce the fact?

[Aratus]

You go, girl!



"Aratus" is an anti-federalist nom de plume
i borrowed from our late great jamie monroe
and curiously, i'm 50something and female...