Real reasons for the Civil War:

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Legal conflict pays lawyers well.

Ever since I got into this Ron Paul thing, I've been baffled by this whole fascination some "libertarians" have with states' "rights" to enforce the institution of slavery. Some people who call themselves libertarian simply want more state sovereignty and they put that above individual freedom and sovereignty.

"State rights" was the first way in which a movement successfully brought our nation back to the original civil purpose that our founding fathers intended in the Constitution from the brink of a legal tyranny that our Federal government had quickly become. This movement also created the excellent legal precendent of our 2 party system which allowed in the ushering to power the Presidents of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison who wisely tweaked the interpretation of the Constitution without having to resort to the necessity of an ammendment (clarification) to do so. Their interpretation of our Constitution as a consequence brought us back ultimately to the original civil purpose intended in the Declaration of Independence regarding "We the people in order to establish a more perfect Union . . . regarding the pursuit of our collective happiness (contentment)."
So, I just think of state rights as a tool for us to have to use to insure that the civil purpose of our Constitutation reins supreme over any legal purpose.

It reminds me of a debate I watched about the legalization of marijuana. The anti guy says that the pro people all scream state's rights when it comes to the legalization of weed. But then the same people cry against state's rights when it came to Jim Crow laws and especially slavery. I say the debate about state sovereignty is totally false. I don't give a crap how much sovereignty a state government or a federal government has as long as it doesn't interfere with MY personal, individual rights. If a state government is defending my rights from a tyrannical federal government (or world government) then great. If a federal government is defending my rights against the tyranny of a state government, then also great.

When our forefather designed our Constitution, they didn't care about who, what, when, where or how we all might sleep together. To the contrary, our forefather's left the Bill of Rights as our tools so that we could use them to get out from underneath legal tyranny. So, as a courtroom should be considered hell to our American culture, any place outside of a courtroom should be considered heaven.

This thing about defending state's rights during the civil war have nothing to do with freedom or liberty, IMO.

Through the use of an irresponsible political agenda which naively proposed social conflict between a righteous 51% of the masses at the expense of the welfare of the remaining 49, African Americans can't deny that they have traded in the bad condition of slavery for an even worst condition of being imprisoned within a legal tyranny. In other words, who makes up the majority of the prison population in the United States? Do you honestly call this freedom?
The only responsible solution for African Americans is for them to trade in social conflict for a more responsible movement which develops a common American culture rather than continuing in on the same old arguing about differences.

[IcyPeaceMaker]

http://www.civilwarhome.com/statesrights.htm

Slavery & States' Rights:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/wheelercauses.htm

The War for States' Rights:
http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/

USCA: Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[jmdrake]

No it's easy to dismiss yankee garbage as yankee revisionist garbage.

The states used to be soverign, your hero destroyed the soverignty of ALL the states, yours included. Any state has the right, under the constitution, to secede any time for any reason whatsoever. Let me spell it for you, R_i_g_h_t, get it?

No yankee whore or any other entity has the right to invade or commit war against any soverign, it was Lincoln's illegal war, just as illegal as Bush's global, endless war.

Yes. The above is intelligent debate.

Did you write this before or after drinking a gallon of moonshine?

Have you ever read the southern declarations of secession?

Or you aware of Lincoln's compensated emancipation attempt?

Do you know what the phrase "expansion of slavery" means?

Are you aware of Andrew Jackson's threat to invade South Carolina and the circumstances surrounding it?

Are you aware of Andrew Jackson's threat to hang John Calhoun and the circumstances surrounding that?

When you can honestly answer those questions (including the moonshine one) get back with us and attempt a debate.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

http://www.civilwarhome.com/statesrights.htm

Slavery & States' Rights:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/wheelercauses.htm

The War for States' Rights:
http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/

USCA: Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/aj7.html
The greatest party battle centered around the Second Bank of the United States, a private corporation but virtually a Government-sponsored monopoly. When Jackson appeared hostile toward it, the Bank threw its power against him.

Clay and Webster, who had acted as attorneys for the Bank, led the fight for its recharter in Congress. "The bank," Jackson told Martin Van Buren, "is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!" Jackson, in vetoing the recharter bill, charged the Bank with undue economic privilege.

His views won approval from the American electorate; in 1832 he polled more than 56 percent of the popular vote and almost five times as many electoral votes as Clay.

Jackson met head-on the challenge of John C. Calhoun, leader of forces trying to rid themselves of a high protective tariff.

When South Carolina undertook to nullify the tariff, Jackson ordered armed forces to Charleston and privately threatened to hang Calhoun. Violence seemed imminent until Clay negotiated a compromise: tariffs were lowered and South Carolina dropped nullification.

In January of 1832, while the President was dining with friends at the White House, someone whispered to him that the Senate had rejected the nomination of Martin Van Buren as Minister to England. Jackson jumped to his feet and exclaimed, "By the Eternal! I'll smash them!" So he did. His favorite, Van Buren, became Vice President, and succeeded to the Presidency when "Old Hickory" retired to the Hermitage, where he died in June 1845.

But Andy Jackson was a good "suthenur" so it was all forgiven.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Aratus]

We tend to forget that the American Loyalists in the British Colony of New York lost in great shame to the American Patriots during the Revolutionary War. Such colonists had to start over after they were so bitterly defeated because everything was taken away from them. The Civil War likewise created an existential crisis which produced similar winners and losers. Why do we leave the south so naked when teaching the history of their defeat while we tend to clothe the American Loyalist so kindly? I would think that the Loyalists would be considered the greater traitors in comparison.
Anyway, our nation has gone through a lot of healing despite the shameful way the south is still depicted in history. One example of this healing was demonstrated by Presidential Candidate John Conally when he openly converted from a yellow dog, southern Democrat (a conservative) to that of a conservative Repuplican. Ironically, we haven't gone about establishing the more perfect Union we are today because of our victories together in the 2 great wars; but, to the contrary, we have become a more perfect Union because of our mutual butt kicking we collectively received in Vietnam.

the english civil war in the 1600s has cavalier verses roundhead...

[Aratus]

canada almost revolted when we did. when they ignored us, nova scotia
and its stubborn bleak winter windswept shores became a haven...

[Aratus]

did you know the only book william mckinley
wrote was about henry clay and his tariffs?

this is the same guy who almost handed out
commissions to annie oakley and william jennings bryan.
he had black troops and old southern generals being
in the splendid lil' war. gen'l wheeler, when some spanish
http://www.spanamwar.com/wheeler.htm troops retreated,
ordered up a charge against the darn "yankees"
to the amusement of all, the very same gen'l wheeler
who was with the potus on montauk point as
the vets healthy and sick came back...

[Aratus]

...our union, and slavery were the issues.
there is a politics and an economics behind this,
yet on both sides the crusade went beyond reason
and atheism or deism into human dignity & religion...

[Aratus]

like the Battle of the Bulge and if its [a.] "nuts"... or actually [b.] "balls"...!!!
http://www.thedropzone.org/europe/Bulge/kinnard.html methinks
Gen'l Wheeler might have used a word with more packed emotion in it than
the humble word "darn"... a word which brings to mind a broadway musical
and something sometimes said by boSox fans! me included! Bess Truman spent
years as "The Boss" as she tries to get Harry S. to simply say "horse manure"!!!

[IcyPeaceMaker]

200 years ago, colonies all over the world threw off the oppressive governments which suppressed them into involuntary servitude. We are now experiencing a reversal of fortunes in this country, which has progressed almost from the signing of our constitution. America is now playing the roll of King George, and it has become time to throw off the tyranical government once again.

The South attempted to regain it's usurped soverignty in 1862, but was overwelmed by the loyalists of tyranny. Those are simple facts.