They had the Native Americans ...Originally Posted by lukeownzu
of course I'm kidding!!
Before I consider moving to an island with ya'll, I'm gonna need to see pics of what everybody looks like in their swimsuits. If I see any fat-ass hairy dudes wearing speedos, count me out.
oh snap! we gotta get that bunny ranch dude to start up a new branch on our island.Before I consider moving to an island with ya'll, I'm gonna need to see pics of what everybody looks like in their swimsuits. If I see any fat-ass hairy dudes wearing speedos, count me out.
"The Revolution Begins"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb4HW3I82lg
"I want a home and children. - its all for nothing if you don't have freedom." -W. Wallace
Or we could all move to one of these countries and becomes citizens and take over from the inside out....
http://geography.about.com/cs/countr...lcountries.htm
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"The Revolution Begins"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb4HW3I82lg
"I want a home and children. - its all for nothing if you don't have freedom." -W. Wallace
Another problem is that as a US citizen you're still supposed to send money to the IRS every year, even from an island or a new country...and if you want to renounce your citizenship then the Government can still tax you for the next 10 years.
Not sure if the IRS will chase the citizens of a new country.
Last edited by qh4dotcom; 02-20-2008 at 10:43 PM.
perhaps we shouldn't have a government. let's kick this rothbardian style
LOL
There are eight accepted criteria used to determine whether an entity is an independent country or not.
1) Has space or territory which has internationally recognized boundaries.
2) Has people who live there on an ongoing basis.
3) Has economic activity and an organized economy. A State regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.
4) Has the power of social engineering, such as education.
5) Has a transportation system for moving goods and people.
6) Has a government which provides public services and police power.
7) Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the State's territory.
8) Has external recognition.
I think some of these are a bit rediculous but it's good to know where the rest of the world is coming from.
Not 100 per acre.... 1,000 people per acre.... There is a company in Milwaukee caleed "Growing Power", they have 2 acres of greenhouse, and feed 2,000 people EVERY DAY...
If I'm able to feed 1,000 people per acre on a daily basis, do you really think I'll care about competition?
Regardless, the only reason I want to grow everything locally is because I will have the best damn restaurant on the island where everything is locally grown, organic, and grilled, baked, fried, seared, roasted, or cooked in a wood fired brick oven....
Of course, it would be the brewhaus as well... =)
The US government will tax us for ten more years??? You have got to be kidding me.
So are you seriously considering joining this, or are you just having fun? Your restaurant would be very beneficial to us all.
I'm going to see if the admins will let us have a sub forum for this, eventually moving to our own.
How about this one?
Its already got a fort built on it
"For when our kids go off to battle, no one dare oppose the action, for that is seen as opposing them. The blood of our nation's youth, all too often, is spilt as if it can wipe away the policy sins of the Congress and the President."
~ Ron Paul
November 23, 1998
You are here.
Nice idea, but $30,000 per acre is just to pricey.
"For when our kids go off to battle, no one dare oppose the action, for that is seen as opposing them. The blood of our nation's youth, all too often, is spilt as if it can wipe away the policy sins of the Congress and the President."
~ Ron Paul
November 23, 1998
You are here.
I have a question - is there any place in the world (short of antartica) that hasn't been laid claim to by one country or another? Preferably inhabitable.
Probably not, but we can lay claim to some that are mostly unused/unnoticed. Such as the ones I listed.
Yep, that is what we will have
Well the British thought they could tax us to hell, and we all know what happened.
Let the IRS show up in our new country and see what luck they have with collecting taxes.
Great idea, I don't think they would bother attacking an island a few thousand strong (and heavily armed) for a few measly dollars that they can just print anyways.Well the British thought they could tax us to hell, and we all know what happened.
Let the IRS show up in our new country and see what luck they have with collecting taxes.
The island would have to be in international water, and capable of sustaining life, i.e. support livestock, have fresh water, etc. It would also be a tremendous expense to get some sort of power grid going probably using wind and solar because they would be sustainable. We would also need boats for fishing, etc, medical personel/facilities... unless you want to go back to the land and live in tepees.
"For when our kids go off to battle, no one dare oppose the action, for that is seen as opposing them. The blood of our nation's youth, all too often, is spilt as if it can wipe away the policy sins of the Congress and the President."
~ Ron Paul
November 23, 1998
You are here.
Oh, no... I don't goof around with stuff like this... I'm very serious...
We'd need about 500-600 acres of total farmland I think for about 25,000 people... While I am confident that my 40 acres would feed 1000 people per acre, it would take a long time to get started, and it would need to be staffed very well with people who are knowledgeable about greenhouse gardening, hydroponics, and aquaponics.... Everyone needs to get used to using bicycles again, or we need to figure out some way to do public transportation, which means building roads or at the very least, elevated rail - the latter being my preference because we'd have to destroy less land to install the rail system... think Disney World's People Transporter Monorail train.
As much as I'd like to think all Ron Paul supporters and lovers of Liberty are peaceful people, we know that's a pipe dream and we'll also need some law enforcement and a requirement - a la Switzerland - that every able bodied male be armed with full automatic rifles, and that all able bodied women are properly trained in AA fire, and other long range weaponry. As much as I'd like to believe that women are capable of fighting on the front lines, even most women readily admit that they'd wet themselves if they were staring down a bad guy... Ladies, there's nothing to be ashamed of there, we're built differently, and when it comes right down to it, I'd rather have you back home making sure the sick and injured are taken care of, rather than you sacrificing your own life on the front line defending against an invasion... That's what men were made for, to defend you... Brains, equal... Brawn, not so much...
Also, we do need medical staff, at least two hospitals, a fire department - on rails?? - back country roads, farmers, scientists, industry, commercial enterprise, veterinarians, teachers - Libertarian teachers, NOT LIBERAL teachers - schools, and a monetary system that cannot be corrupted, and cannot be counterfeited.
Ultimately, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are the two most perfect documents ever written in the history of man since the Bible... We should use both documents verbatim, and add clauses that further explicitly prevent our own elected officials from becoming corrupt, power grabbing, lobbyist loving, tree hugging, bat$#@! crazy, sandal wearing, religion bashing, liberals.
Last edited by phoenixzorn; 02-21-2008 at 02:48 PM.
+1
This is the craziest thing I have ever seen in this forum. I like the idea, but have my doubts.
(BTW the 10mil island is the best. More island for your buck.)
"For when our kids go off to battle, no one dare oppose the action, for that is seen as opposing them. The blood of our nation's youth, all too often, is spilt as if it can wipe away the policy sins of the Congress and the President."
~ Ron Paul
November 23, 1998
You are here.
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Last edited by lost_in_samoa; 02-25-2008 at 01:40 PM.
Establishing recognized sovereignty is the challenge. All known lands are already all claimed, except for the poles and even there there are international agreements permitting all and limiting claims.
If as an individual, and fully and finally convinced it's futile to stem the tide of ever increasing socialism here, then best to just quietly emigrate to a country more to one's liking. Venezuela, which I've lived in, would be my first choice... IF Chavez was not there. A group could split up a big ranch and support their state governor of choice most committed to ignoring them.
If a truly serious group wanted to start up their own country, though, I'd look at piotr1 suggestion above to take over a small country from inside. There's a half-dozen strategies to doing so and not all would be internally opposed. One of these countries on his list could be a good candidate...
http://geography.about.com/cs/countr...lcountries.htm
Another tax-free zone Cayman Island type place could become a popular destination or, on the other end of the scale, take the tact to stay firmly off the radar scope and be low-key.
- Shane
This is so far the best post on this topic. I was also thinking along the lines of rail transportation, and that we need to adopt the Constitution, and pretty much everything else you have said. Waiting for Josh to get back to me as to whether he will create a sub forum for this. I also agree on the defense views you expressed; Although women should be capable of defending themselves, and be able to efficiently use a weapon, they do not need to be the boots on the ground, and there are plenty of other positions they could fill (such as providing medical aid or cooking).
Yep. No allodial title, no deal. I would be glad to move if I had to pay a chunk for my family as long as the place is truly sovereign. I will surely have suggestions for a government. Perhaps we could put into law permanent neutrality like the Switzerland of old. The island's inhabitants could make up an all-volunteer defense corps. Gold and silver currencies only. No fractional reserve banks. No dissolution of sovereignty ever. Etc. I'd offer up myself to train any militia. I have extensive combat training across several weapon types and scenarios (infantry, not talking artillery or anything).
Last edited by Shink; 02-21-2008 at 03:29 PM.
TRUTH IS TREASON IN THE EMPIRE OF LIES
I am not convinced that taking over from the inside-out would be the best solution, since there would probably be resistance to that in any country, and the neighboring nations might not like it. We would also have to conform to the language/culture of the people there, which would add to the difficulty.
If we can find an island that is in international waters and is fairly inexpensive, and large enough to sustain us, it would be feasible.
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