I'm so disappointed after reading the constitutional amendment thread

[Sematary]

I can't believe what my eyes have beheld. The proposals I saw were not only worthy of constitutional amendment for the most part but smacked so badly of big government getting it's nose into $#@! it doesn't belong in that I was read to puke. WE are supposed to be the agents of change in this revolution. The only thing that people, apparently, want to change, is the rules to benefit them.

The constitution is there to protect our rights - not be used to settle personal vendettas and certainly to to "outlaw" anything. They tried that little trick with prohibition and it failed miserably.

What can the future of our movement be if people don't understand the principles which are to guide us - namely, LESS GOVERNMENT, not more and personal liberty.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Link to whatever you are talking about please?

[Fields]

I noticed that too. Some very piss poor amendments were offered up.

[RPinSEAZ]

Eh?

Jesse (is not a mind reader)

[FreeTraveler]

I'm with you 100%, after reading the first few, I had to quit before I started hurling chunks all over my keyboard.

It's wonderful that Dr. Paul has attracted a diverse group of supporters, but I'm amazed at how many still don't understand the message is about FREEDOM!

I see discussions about "alternative" tax plans (better excuses for theft don't change the fact that it's theft). I see calls to use the government to fix the problems with the MSM. I even see threads calling for making a Socialist gun-grabber the VP candidate because he's "honest" and "supports the Constitution."

Sometimes I think it's better to let it all go, and spend my money on gold and ammo instead of wasting time trying to convince people to quit thinking like sheeple and start thinking like men.

[Sematary]

Link to whatever you are talking about please?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=120178

[RPinSEAZ]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=120178

heh, it's certainly a big tent.

It's human nature and basic game theory. The freedom game breaks down because whenever there is a possibility that freedom can be removed from one group or another, each group will rush to be the one that preserves their freedom the most...even if everyone is less free by comparison.

In an ideal world, all factions would cooperate and see that if they all just resist the urge to sieze power, then everything would be better for all. But all these groups know that if one of the others siezes power, they are significantly worse off. It is foolish to just hope the others are intelligent and trust them...so each makes a grab at the power.

The founding fathers did their best to remove these mechanisms so nobody would be tempted, but over time, Americans have recreated them, and they always will, because they fear that somebody else will if they don't.

[yongrel]

yeah... some of that stuff got scary and depressing.

[FortWorth38]

With the risk of being Flamed:

I can see your point .. however I think the thread is good
Why?? It allows for communication of thoughts & feelings that have brought us all together.

This might allow for release of years of frustration and the overwhelming sense of resentment. People want to be heard,acknowledged and feel like they matter.

[literatim]

Why did you make a whole new thread for this?

[fedup100]

The Original Constitution should stand as is......we need no *&^%*&$% amendments. PERIOD!!

[yongrel]

The Original Constitution should stand as is......we need no *&^%*&$% amendments. PERIOD!!

I would argue that amendments can be useful. For instance, the bill of rights comes in handy occasionally.

[FreeTraveler]

Why did you make a whole new thread for this?

I'm almost 100% sure he did it just to piss you off!

[szczebrzeszyn]

I'm almost 100% sure he did it just to piss you off!

haha, I just wanted to write exactly the same
But maybe I should start a new thread about it?

[micahnelson]

1) Balanced Budget Amendment


That would solve almost everything right there.

[FortWorth38]

I'm with you 100%, after reading the first few, I had to quit before I started hurling chunks all over my keyboard.

It's wonderful that Dr. Paul has attracted a diverse group of supporters, but I'm amazed at how many still don't understand the message is about FREEDOM!

I see discussions about "alternative" tax plans (better excuses for theft don't change the fact that it's theft). I see calls to use the government to fix the problems with the MSM. I even see threads calling for making a Socialist gun-grabber the VP candidate because he's "honest" and "supports the Constitution."

Sometimes I think it's better to let it all go, and spend my money on gold and ammo instead of wasting time trying to convince people to quit thinking like sheeple and start thinking like men.

Traveler: What is your definition of discussion? I am all but incensed of your post, since I am left with the impression that it was directed to me. There was no sound discussion from your part; just a blatant dismissal. You can feel free to Apologize Like a "MAN" or Not.

Attention Grassroots Members: What Traveler might be referring to is a posting I put up at 2am in the Economic Section in regards to a "Website" that I found while searching for more information about Monetary & Fiscal Policy's. That is a topic that is important to me.(they are all important)I found this to be of great interest since it (NASARA) apparently has been discussed in DC for 11years.

It is a topic that is about working toward solutions and collectively as a group I thought it be worthy since Sound Money is a specialty of Dr Ron Paul.

Thoughts?

[the_bee]

I say anyone to be elected to any federal or state position of power should have to live as an average person for minimum of five years on an average salary of not more than 65,000 a year period.

[nayjevin]

we're all at some point in the spectrum between complete sheep and fully aware. don't get too discouraged -- not everyone is fully aware yet!

(me included, please help)

[Edu]

we're all at some point in the spectrum between complete sheep and fully aware. don't get too discouraged -- not everyone is fully aware yet!

(me included, please help)

Lesson #1, the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court, the United States Attorney General - who's courts are those? Who owns them?

United States citizens - who's citizens are those? Who owns them?

So what do you want to be now?

[Airborn]

I say anyone to be elected to any federal or state position of power should have to live as an average person for minimum of five years on an average salary of not more than 65,000 a year period.

wth..... taking away rights from certain people? Yes things like this is the stuff we are actually fighting...

[familydog]

Amendments are only constitutional if you agree with it....apparently.

[freelance]

Most of it seems to be "govt. shall" instead of "govt. shall not." Totally bassackwards, and I couldn't get past the first few either.

[klamath]

It is kind of like, "What federals laws would you like to pass." What part of getting the federal government out of passing laws to solve our problems and returning it to the states did they miss about RP's message?

[ConstitutionGal]

If you've ever said "there ought to be a law" then you don't understand the concept of the proper role of government.

[HollyforRP]

I've seen people abusing their power left and right. I think people should have freedom but not if they abuse it and use it to stalk, harass and impose their will on other people in a neagative way.

I don't think officials are free to rig elections.

I don't think freedom of press should be "You get to do whatever you want even if it hurts others"

There is a line and people have blurred that line in order to control and hurt others. I think the constitution should be followed but should also be clearly told to people that freedom doesn't give you the right to bully others in any shape or form.

I've noticed a trend of it's okay to bully people. Those that are bullied and harassed are only bullied some more if they speak up about it. These distinctions need to be talked about to put those people in their place. The problem is when people feel no retribution for their harmful actions and it is encouraged, it grows like a virus. Others cheer them on and give the false impression that it is okay when clearly it is not!

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

Here's one:

Anyone found guilty of purposely manipulating a federal election will be imprisoned for life or exiled.

[killatop]

I don't know exactly what you are talking about but ammending the constitution is constitutional! Do whatever you want just make sure you have the respect for the constitution and actually ammend it instead of going around it. I think that's all RP really wants.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Honestly, the most important constitutional amendment we need is to underline everything twice and make it mandatory to print it in a 72-point font size.

[pilby]

If you've ever said "there ought to be a law" then you don't understand the concept of the proper role of government.

oh.... i say "there ought to be a law" occasionally, but i usually mean laws outlawing certain behavior by the govt (that's exactly what the Constitution is).


my big idea for a Constitutional amendment is this -

EVERY law passed by Congress and every new govt dept created automatically sunsets after at most 7 (length is debatable) years.

can you imagine the impact of that? i've mentioned it to several people and they say things like, "but then Congress would spend all their time reauthorizing old laws and wouldn't have time to make new ones" and to that i say, "and... what's the problem?"

if we had something like that in place, it would be much harder for govt to just gradually grow and grow and grow. every 7 years, politicians would have to defend laws and programs in order to get them reauthorized for another 7.

[Sematary]

Amendments are only constitutional if you agree with it....apparently.

You fail to understand my point, apparently.
The amendments I saw being offered up did not serve the purpose of preserving the rights of the citizen but were being offered up as a way to "get back at" the system we now have in place. You can't sugarcoat the fact that the amendment process is there to provide for the protections of the rights of citizens and nothing else. The constitution serves only that purpose.