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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulitician View Post
    I think with Romney suspending his campaign, our options have been narrowed down.

    We can stay in the GOP fight, hoping to get some rather meaningless victories towards the end, and maybe a speaking engagement at the convention, in the hope of prepping a 2012 RP run.

    We can draft Paul to run as an independent or third party candidate, which would still allow us to prep for an eventual 2012 RP run, but which may endanger Paul's seat in Congress.

    Other options?
    Ron will be 76/77 in 2012 , im not sure if he'd feel like goin thro all this again.

    Im still hopeful of a brokered convention.

    I am also hopeful of an independent run against Hillary and McCain. With the help of alot of the Obama folks we could very well get the 1st independent elected to the White House .

    I am still hopeful of Ron Paul's message spreading thro a new founding fathers-esque generation. Namely ... us!

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama Supporter View Post
    I am beginning to question the sanity of some of you folks. McCain has 700+ delegates. We royally sucked on Super Tuesday. The MSM will not acknowledge or even cover RP.

    What is giving you people hope that he can actually win this thing?
    Define win.

    Then watch this.

    Repeat.
    Last edited by WilliamC; 02-07-2008 at 09:23 PM.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Assuming we can get a brokered convention, what makes peeople think all these delegates for John McCain actually like him and will stick with him?
    Because in most of the states he won, he picked his slate
    We need immigrants in this country. What we don't need is politicians. Get rid of them! - Peter Schiff

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by No1ButPaul08 View Post
    Because in most of the states he won, he picked his slate
    How can you tell? I'm intrigued.



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  7. #65
    The election is 9 months from now. How much support did RP have 9 months ago? If RP doesn't get the Republican nomination, so be it. It has been a great springboard to the next phase. The rEVOLution isn't Dependant on the Republican Party. RP has said several times now that he is in it as long as we support him and raise money for him. We can wake enough people up over the next 9 months to take it.
    Last edited by dirknb@hotmail.com; 02-07-2008 at 09:26 PM.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimme Some Truth View Post
    Ron will be 76/77 in 2012 , im not sure if he'd feel like goin thro all this again.

    Im still hopeful of a brokered convention.

    I am also hopeful of an independent run against Hillary and McCain. With the help of alot of the Obama folks we could very well get the 1st independent elected to the White House .

    I am still hopeful of Ron Paul's message spreading thro a new founding fathers-esque generation. Namely ... us!

    .
    By 2012 the Constitution will pretty much be history if we don't change course. It's now or never.

  9. #67
    If any girls are, I wanna watch.

  10. #68
    I don't believe he is going to win the nomination at this point, but who else am I supposed to support? There is no other candidate that is acceptable.
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by mahopaul View Post
    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
    Hell no and it aint over now! Ya know what the negative people may be right, maybe we aint got a chance in hell, but I know one thing if, just if, we got one tiny little microcosmic chance, or even if we do not have a pot left to piss in, I want Ron staying in swinging the message of freedom all the way. So I lose some flippen money. Hell I've lost more at casinos in my life and I wasn't having half as much fun. Let every last person out there hear you Ron all the way till Nov if we can keep it going. It is the least we can do for not listening for the past 30.

  12. #70
    Here's a note.... I'm not done. Ohio hasn't voted yet, and it's likely we'll be down to 2 by then. Ron Paul vs. McCain. We have 88 delegates up for grabs. We will win Ohio for RP, and then take whatever steps are necessary when/if those steps reveal themselves. In the mean time... read below.


    Now that Romney is out of the race:

    1) Far fewer voters will show up to the primaries and caucuses

    2) Republicans that don't support McCain (and there are a lot of them) only have two candidates to cast a protest vote for

    3) When Romney fully drops out (it's only "suspended" right now) his delegates are unbound.

    We stay the course.

    We have secured a bare minimum of 24, and we're projecting 42 delegates from Super Tuesday. Plus delegates from Louisiana, which we may win outright. We're also still facing the likely possibility of a brokered national convention, which means that all of the delegates will ultimately vote at the national convention not for whom they were bound by their primary or caucus, but for whomever they choose. Which means:

    WE CAN STILL WIN THE NOMINATION. And moreover, we will force the Republican Party to choose between McCain or Paul. And they will either choose Paul or go the way of the Whigs.

    Please remain committed and confident. We must not only maintain our commitment, but we must also help others who have lost faith in the campaign. The media is (as usual) misinforming the public, this time by telling them that the primary is the only thing that counts. WRONG. If you become a delegate, if you go to your county convention, if you help elect Ron Paul delegates to your state convention, we are still in the race.

    This is what we must do.
    Ohio's 17th Congressional District


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    Thomas Jefferson


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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by MsDoodahs View Post
    True communism is the complete absense of all property rights, meaning they don't have tax you because they frikken own you, and everything you produce.

    Advocating something like that here is ... not smart.
    I don't mean to sound as if I am advocating it, I just wish to remove quite a bit of the ignorance about what communism actually is versus how it's always been implemented through statism. While I can see how a 100% communistic society might be nice, I believe that it grossly overestimates the average human's benevolence.

    Though you are right about there being a lack of property rights, I do not know who "they" are in the term "they frikken own you." If you mean the government, then you are misguided as in a true communism there isn't a need for a government as people use what land they need to produce what goods they want. They get from their neighbors what goods they need to survive and give to others what they have extra. There are no property rights because the idea is, if you aren't using the land you don't deserve to have it over someone else who could use the land and contribute to society.

    So I hope you can see that it isn't at all what you describe. And once again, I am completely against statism and mostly against communist theory, but not entirely (it just makes out people to be a bit too good for my tastes).

  14. #72
    Yes...yes we are.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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  16. #73
    In hindsight the reason for our loss is clear.

    We didn't have enough blimps. Needed at least 5-6 for this to work
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes...yes we are.
    lol...you resurrected a post from 2008...wtg

    Ok, with that being said, serious question here. Why can't more Libertarian candidates just bite the friggin bullet and run as Republican????
    I know that is against our religion in so many ways...lol... but I now feel it is the only way to actually gain a voice and slowly eliminate the neocon Rhinos. They do it!!!! Almost all of the Republicans are running on a fraudulent ticket. They don't deserve to be in the conservative party let alone ANY party other than the neocons for that matter. When are Libertarians going to get with the times and learn to play the game under rules that have changed dramatically. Trump done more for the conservative voice and OUR cause than Libertarians have done in years.

    The original OP asked "Are we pissing in the wind"
    the answer to that is yes.....and I'm being optimistic....lol
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    In hindsight the reason for our loss is clear.

    We didn't have enough blimps. Needed at least 5-6 for this to work
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    lol...you resurrected a post from 2008...wtg

    Ok, with that being said, serious question here. Why can't more Libertarian candidates just bite the friggin bullet and run as Republican????
    Happens all the time. Republican primary voters never hear of them, because they can't afford to run slick ads during baseball games.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Happens all the time. Republican primary voters never hear of them, because they can't afford to run slick ads during baseball games.
    Example: Here in Indiana, Donald Rainwater ran for Governor and lost terribly because Indiana is a GOP states and most people here vote straight party line even though they know our Holcomb is a Rhino. If he had ended up on the ballot as GOP he would have took it without any blimps....lol....if he had ran as GOP during the primary, he would have won the ballot because everyone here is fed up with Rhino's but not enough to hand it to Democrats. Holcomb was the only GOP choice in the primary.
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    Example: Here in Indiana, Donald Rainwater ran for Governor and lost terribly because Indiana is a GOP states and most people here vote straight party line even though they know our Holcomb is a Rhino. If he had ended up on the ballot as GOP he would have took it without any blimps....lol....if he had ran as GOP during the primary, he would have won the ballot because everyone here is fed up with Rhino's but not enough to hand it to Democrats. Holcomb was the only GOP choice in the primary.
    Everybody here is sick of RINOs but not enough to hand it to Democrats, too. But Nathan Dahm ran for Senate, had yard signs all over, campaigned like a fiend, was welcomed into homes all over by people who begged their friends and neighbors to come listen, and didn't even make the runoff because the cog-in-the-machine candidates had advertising budgets and honest men don't.

    No, Libertarian candidates don't win either. But at least they get on the general election ballot where disaffected Democrats (the fastest-growing demographic by far) and independent voters can use them as a protest vote. You know. Voters who actually pay attention.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-20-2022 at 05:50 AM.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    No, Libertarian candidates don't win either. But at least they get on the general election ballot where disaffected Democrats (the fastest-growing demographic by far) and independent voters can use them as a protest vote. You know. Voters who actually pay attention.
    Your "protest" vote is what helps place the Democrats. You might as well vote for them...lol

    again, I say this with the hopes that somebody reading this knows that the only way the Libertarian party will ever be significant is if we invade the Republican party and take it over like the neocons have done. You can't win if you don't play.
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    Your "protest" vote is what helps place the Democrats. You might as well vote for them...lol

    again, I say this with the hopes that somebody reading this knows that the only way the Libertarian party will ever be significant is if we invade the Republican party and take it over like the neocons have done. You can't win if you don't play.
    I'm no lover of libtards, but, win what? Getting off the gold standard (R)? No New Taxes (R)? TSA (R)? Patriot Act (R)? Not ending the FedDeptEd (R)? 6 year extension of 702 (R)? Nationalized Healthcare and OWS (R)? Corporate Welfare (R)? The biggest increase in debt this country ever had (R)?

    There aren't enough libertarians who could even make a dent in the machine. Best work local and focus on that.
    Last edited by PAF; 09-21-2022 at 05:31 PM.
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  25. #81
    ..
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm no lover of libtards, but, win what? Getting off the gold standard (R)? No New Taxes (R)? TSA (R)? Patriot Act (R)? Not ending the FedDeptEd (R)? 6 year extension of 702 (R)? Nationalized Healthcare and OWS (R)? Corporate Welfare (R)? The biggest increase in debt this country ever had (R)?

    There aren't enough libertarians who could even make a dent in the machine. Best work local and focus on that.
    So you don't think that if we had more voices like Rand that we wouldn't make any gains....lol....that's ridiculous, how do you think the neocons started!!!!!
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    So you don't think that if we had more voices like Rand that we wouldn't make any gains....lol....that's ridiculous, how do you think the neocons started!!!!!
    By my nature I am an individualist. Government by it's definition is evil. So don't count me in. Rand and Massie are solid, but they are the rare exception. If you think lobbyists, money and power are going to let Massie's fill the house, or anywhere close to have an effect, I've got news for you. Government is expert at giving little bones here and there to keep a little hope up and their system alive. It ultimately comes down to The People, of which for the most part want nothing to do with liberty or fiscal responsibility. They want/need their MIC contracts, pharmaceutical jobs, WELFARE, and won't allow themselves to be downsized or eliminated.

    You know why they keep voting Mike Kelly (R-CD3), even though he has the record of a democrat? Because he makes sure his constituents are taken care of - at the expense of liberty and any sense of fiscal responsibility. I speak to them all the time at committee, breakfasts, political events, they would never in a thousand years vote for somebody like Massie.

    Don't let me stop you. If you can make a positive change, all the power to you. I have tried repeatedly over more than a decade and come up zilch. On the Records get thrown into the trash.
    Last edited by PAF; 09-21-2022 at 05:50 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You know why they keep voting Mike Kelly (R-CD3).
    He's 74 and his clock is ticking away....I say that but then remind myself of Kissinger who is 99 and still an NWO neocon leader...lol...or Biden who gets lost leaving the podium....lol
    I will always be an optimist. We must continue to fight for small gains, if one strategy isn't working, then on to the next!!!!
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

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