Was the 16th Amendment Ratified?

[Fox McCloud]

Ok, I've seen multiple arguments from both side about "yes it was ratified" and "no it was not"....what (I think) we both agree on is that there is no law requiring you to pay the income tax.

Therefore, I beg of you, my fellow Paulites, to go forth and prove/disprove this claim.

Also, for the record, just because the Supreme Court says it was ratified will not make me believe that it was....the Supreme Court (Though not talked about as much as Congress and the President) is just about as freaked up as the rest of our government.

[colecrowe]

Yes. obviously. Is it horrible? Yes, obviously.

[Joe3113]

"If you...examined [The 16th Amendment] carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment." - U.S. District Court Judge James C. Fox 2003.

[colecrowe]

"There is no law"

Whatever. The constitution says congress can levy taxes in the way the 16th Amendment lays out. So they do. Constitutionally.

It went against everything the Constitution was originally for and it is horrible and anti freedom. But just because a comma was out of place does not mean it wasn't ratified legally.

Just change it. Give up the ridiculous conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up.

[Truth-Bringer]

Also, for the record, just because the Supreme Court says it was ratified will not make me believe that it was....the Supreme Court (Though not talked about as much as Congress and the President) is just about as freaked up as the rest of our government.

Actually, what the courts have said is that since the Secretary of State signed it, as far as they're concerned, that means it's ratified. What they refuse to look at though is the evidence leading up to that. They refuse to ask "did the Secretary of State fraudulently ratify it?"

See my debate on that issue here.

[GoldStan]

"There is no law"


Just change it. Give up the ridiculous conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up.

Gotta be careful. That sort of rational talk doesn't seem to go over well here.

Don't you know that EVERYTHING wrong with the lives 80% of the posters here is caused by a mound of conspiracies the size of Mt. Everest?

[IPSecure]

Since Congress is the institution that 'creates' laws, they should have a record of such.

The congressional research committee has no such record.
(Freedom to Fascism)

Would not the president also have to sign into law?

[Truth-Bringer]

Just change it. Give up the ridiculous conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up.

Well there is plenty of evidence to back it up. Those questions were also asked by the We The People Foundation. The government refuses to answer the questions and the courts won't answer them either. If there's no evidence as you claim, why is the government unwilling or afraid to answer very simple, straight-forward questions?

But I agree that no one should go into court and challenge the tax on the basis of ratification of the 16th amendment. That is a losing issue.

[Redcard]

Since Congress is the institution that 'creates' laws, they should have a record of such.

The congressional research committee has no such record.
(Freedom to Fascism)

Would not the president also have to sign into law?

The national Archives has a Congressional Record that implements the law.

I called and asked. They said they get about 5000 or so calls a year asking for it. A few people scream "No you don't" after, but they've got it.

[Cleaner44]

Ok, I've seen multiple arguments from both side about "yes it was ratified" and "no it was not"....what (I think) we both agree on is that there is no law requiring you to pay the income tax.

Therefore, I beg of you, my fellow Paulites, to go forth and prove/disprove this claim.

Also, for the record, just because the Supreme Court says it was ratified will not make me believe that it was....the Supreme Court (Though not talked about as much as Congress and the President) is just about as freaked up as the rest of our government.

Someone researched carefully and wrote a book on this subject. I don't remember the guy's name. He went to each state and examined the original records and found that it was not retified. If I can find the info I will post it.