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    The sanction of the victim

    If this is just another election to you, and you're happy to continue life as usual afterwards, then this thread isn't for you. On the other hand, if you're fed up with the way the country is going and are willing to take action, but aren't sure what to do next, then read on.

    Americans are taught that the main way we can cause social change is by voting. What schools don't tell you is that there's more than one way to vote. Every economic action you take is another form of voting -- and those votes are probably more important than the ones you cast at the ballot box.

    Objectivism has a concept called "the sanction of the victim". The idea is that at the level of a society, victims contribute to their own demise. For example, if you're against the war but work in the defense industry, then you are actually supporting the war through your efforts. If you can see how the Fed is evil, but are leveraged to the hilt with loans, you are supporting the Fed through your actions. This concept can be applied deeply in your life. The idea is that if everyone acted according to their true desires and best interests, that the world would be a much better place. Vegans are an example of putting this concept into practice: based on the idea that animals shouldn't be killed for food, they also reject the use of animals products in all parts of their lives.

    Another way to think of it is to imagine everyone in the world making the same decision as you. If everyone worked in the defense industry, would the world be a better or a worse place? If everyone was leveraged to the hilt in debt?

    With this idea in mind, I would like to propose the concept of something that might be called "Deep Liberty": changes you can make in your everyday life that reflect the libertarian values promoted by Ron Paul and others like him:

    -- Make sure your job reflects your core values. Not just what you do on a day-to-day basis, but how the fruits of your labor are applied in society. For example, refuse to work for the government, defense contractors, transportation companies that are involved with troop movement, companies that sell products to the government or the military, etc.
    -- Minimize your debt, and thereby minimize interest paid to banks. If necessary, sell your house and move into a rental.
    -- Move some of your money into foreign currencies or stocks
    -- Educate your kids at home and not in government schools
    -- If you live in a city full of corruption, like New York, then move to someplace honest, where your tax dollars and the other fruits of your labor support a healthy system, rather than a corrupt one
    -- Reduce your consumption and increase your savings
    -- Buy gold
    -- Minimize your taxes, and don't let yourself be driven by the fear of an audit.
    -- Consider moving to a state that doesn't have a state income tax.
    -- For stocks, favor buy-and-hold instead trading (no tax due until you sell).
    -- Barter for things when you can.
    -- Be conscious of the companies you buy products from. How will they use the money you spend? Who do they buy from? Where do their profits go? (boycotting companies that advertise on Fox is an example of this)
    -- If you ever serve on a jury, apply libertarian values to the case
    -- Cancel most or all of your credit cards. If you really need one, then switch to using a debit card
    -- Refuse to accept social security payments, unemployment compensation, food stamps and other forms of welfare
    -- Minimize your use of oil: get a high-mileage car, drive less, work from home, etc

    If you have any other ideas along these lines, please post them here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    If this is just another election to you, and you're happy to continue life as usual afterwards, then this thread isn't for you. On the other hand, if you're fed up with the way the country is going and are willing to take action, but aren't sure what to do next, then read on.

    Americans are taught that the main way we can cause social change is by voting. What schools don't tell you is that there's more than one way to vote. Every economic action you take is another form of voting -- and those votes are probably more important than the ones you cast at the ballot box.

    Objectivism has a concept called "the sanction of the victim". The idea is that at the level of a society, victims contribute to their own demise. For example, if you're against the war but work in the defense industry, then you are actually supporting the war through your efforts. If you can see how the Fed is evil, but are leveraged to the hilt with loans, you are supporting the Fed through your actions. This concept can be applied deeply in your life. The idea is that if everyone acted according to their true desires and best interests, that the world would be a much better place. Vegans are an example of putting this concept into practice: based on the idea that animals shouldn't be killed for food, they also reject the use of animals products in all parts of their lives.

    Another way to think of it is to imagine everyone in the world making the same decision as you. If everyone worked in the defense industry, would the world be a better or a worse place? If everyone was leveraged to the hilt in debt?

    With this idea in mind, I would like to propose the concept of something that might be called "Deep Liberty": changes you can make in your everyday life that reflect the libertarian values promoted by Ron Paul and others like him:

    -- Make sure your job reflects your core values. Not just what you do on a day-to-day basis, but how the fruits of your labor are applied in society. For example, refuse to work for the government, defense contractors, transportation companies that are involved with troop movement, companies that sell products to the government or the military, etc.
    -- Minimize your debt, and thereby minimize interest paid to banks. If necessary, sell your house and move into a rental.
    -- Move some of your money into foreign currencies or stocks
    -- Educate your kids at home and not in government schools
    -- If you live in a city full of corruption, like New York, then move to someplace honest, where your tax dollars and the other fruits of your labor support a healthy system, rather than a corrupt one
    -- Reduce your consumption and increase your savings
    -- Buy gold
    -- Minimize your taxes, and don't let yourself be driven by the fear of an audit.
    -- Consider moving to a state that doesn't have a state income tax.
    -- For stocks, favor buy-and-hold instead trading (no tax due until you sell).
    -- Barter for things when you can.
    -- Be conscious of the companies you buy products from. How will they use the money you spend? Who do they buy from? Where do their profits go? (boycotting companies that advertise on Fox is an example of this)
    -- If you ever serve on a jury, apply libertarian values to the case
    -- Cancel most or all of your credit cards. If you really need one, then switch to using a debit card
    -- Refuse to accept social security payments, unemployment compensation, food stamps and other forms of welfare
    -- Minimize your use of oil: get a high-mileage car, drive less, work from home, etc

    If you have any other ideas along these lines, please post them here.


    Excellent philosophy!


    I would add:

    Reject the Real ID.

    Donít verichip your kids.

    Grow vegetables on your back yard.

    Learn to produce as much as what your family consumes for example: Mayonnaise is easy to make. Soap is easy to make. Many things are easy to make.

    Electricity is extremely easy to produce.

    Educate yourself.
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    Join or Support your local Constitutional Militia
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    Oh so easy from the ivory tower without knowing the full picture. I don't think any of us really comprehend how the world economy in its entirity works.

    Here are two good quotes from George Mason, a slave owner, from the Constitutional Convention:

    [Slavery is a] slow Poison, which is daily contaminating the Minds & Morals of our People. Every Gentleman here is born a petty Tyrant…. And in such an infernal School are to be educated our future Legislators & Rulers.
    Every master of slaves is born a petty tyrant. [Slaves] bring the judgment of heaven on a Country. As nations can not [sic] be rewarded or punished in the next world they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes & effects[,] providence punishes national sins, by national calamities.
    I suppose that today our slaves are oil and the fiat monetary system. Because of our use of a fiat monetary system instead of a commodity based monetary system our economy doesn't know whether the banana that generates 50 calories costs 10 or 1,000 calories to produce. Consequently, there are monstrous and horrible misallocations of capital.

    Sure, we may be against the war but all drive to the peace rally and all drive home. George Bush is right, "We are addicted to oil." Everything is playing out as the experts predicted years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutteck View Post
    Excellent philosophy!


    I would add:

    Reject the Real ID.

    Donít verichip your kids.

    Grow vegetables on your back yard.

    Learn to produce as much as what your family consumes for example: Mayonnaise is easy to make. Soap is easy to make. Many things are easy to make.

    Electricity is extremely easy to produce.

    Educate yourself.
    Great ideas! I'll definitely put them to use.

    What are you thinking of for producing electricity? Do you mean solar?


    Quote Originally Posted by jonahtrainer View Post
    Oh so easy from the ivory tower without knowing the full picture. I don't think any of us really comprehend how the world economy in its entirity works.
    I would suggest that we don't need to know how the world economy works. We each know what is best for ourselves. We can reason how the fruits of our labor will impact others. Even if that reasoning isn't perfect, it will at least be in the right direction -- and knowledge tends to improve over time. What more is needed?


    Quote Originally Posted by jonahtrainer View Post
    I suppose that today our slaves are oil and the fiat monetary system. Because of our use of a fiat monetary system instead of a commodity based monetary system our economy doesn't know whether the banana that generates 50 calories costs 10 or 1,000 calories to produce. Consequently, there are monstrous and horrible misallocations of capital.
    I agree that the lack of a true free market in many areas causes misallocations of capital. Unfortunately, one consequence of that is price is usually not the best metric to use when making buying decisions.

    We might be slaves to oil, but that doesn't mean that we can't consciously reduce our individual dependence both through conservation and by buying products with some thought to the energy required to produce them. Some energy analysts believe that if everyone in the US did that, we would no longer depend on imported oil.

    Your example suggests another item for the list:

    -- Buy locally grown produce and other locally produced goods (minimizing the amount paid for transportation/oil and keeping money in your local economy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    Great ideas! I'll definitely put them to use.

    What are you thinking of for producing electricity? Do you mean solar?
    Electromagnetic induction.

    It sounds difficult but it is just spinning a magnet in a coil or wire. You can get the magnet to spin with the power of wind, water (a riverís current), manually, etc. Also if you are interested research magnet motors(make the magnets spin using other magnets) and free energy.

    There are kits on ebay that include the magnets, the propeller, magnetic wire, instructions etc. To make a wind powered generator for around $1500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutteck View Post
    Electromagnetic induction.

    It sounds difficult but it is just spinning a magnet in a coil or wire. You can get the magnet to spin with the power of wind, water (a riverís current), manually, etc. Also if you are interested research magnet motors(make the magnets spin using other magnets) and free energy.
    When you say "free energy," you don't mean perpetual motion. Right? I've seen those two used interchangeably before, so just making sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by gutteck View Post
    There are kits on ebay that include the magnets, the propeller, magnetic wire, instructions etc. To make a wind powered generator for around $1500.
    Any particular websites/forums you like?
    We have allies many of you are not aware of. Watch the tube. Show this to your 30 and under friends. Listen to it. Even if you don't like rap, it has 2.7 million views.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU#t=0m16s

    Cut off one min early to avoid war porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutteck View Post
    Electromagnetic induction.

    It sounds difficult but it is just spinning a magnet in a coil or wire. You can get the magnet to spin with the power of wind, water (a riverís current), manually, etc. Also if you are interested research magnet motors(make the magnets spin using other magnets) and free energy.

    There are kits on ebay that include the magnets, the propeller, magnetic wire, instructions etc. To make a wind powered generator for around $1500.
    Sure -- basic generators. Yep, definitely not difficult, especially starting with a kit. I made my first one totally from scratch in 7th grade. I've been toying with the idea of buying a wind turbine. I will definitely look into building one instead; could be a fun project.

    After hearing some people talk about it, since I'm a natural skeptic, I decided to look into magnet motors and free energy a while back just for fun. Everything I saw was a scam. There certainly is a lot of enthusiasm out there, but nothing provably real that I could find. One of the cult figures behind it, Tom Bearden, is certifiably crazy. I say that as a result of reading several long interviews with him, reviewing his website and patent in detail and seeing one of his DVDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 View Post
    When you say "free energy," you don't mean perpetual motion. Right? I've seen those two used interchangeably before, so just making sure.



    Any particular websites/forums you like?
    Perpetual motion is not possible. However, there are plenty of sources of energy that cost very little but that have not seen the light because of special interests. An energy revolution would be bigger than the industrial revolution if it was allowed to happen. The technology is there and has been there for a while but oil companies, banks, and big brother wonít let it happen.
    For example take a look at this car.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE
    Magnets last for about 400 years. Some people argue that a magnet motor is a claim of perpetual motion and thus it is witch craft. However, it is not perpetual because magnets loose a percentage of its power thru time and in about 400 years they would have completely demagnetized themselves. I suppose that there is no point in selling a few magnets for a few dollars every 200 years so carbon base fuels make a more attractive business.
    There are many technologies that would cost us pennies to provide us with all our energy needs. Some inventors have come up with ways to separate hydrogen from water and emit oxygen while running an engine. Sadly most of these inventors die in very unfortunate accidents or just disappear.
    One only have to loop up who owns the oil and energy companies to connect the dots. These are the same names that would come up if you look at who owns the FED, or the bank of England, or shell oil, or the media networks, pharmaceutical industry, etc.


    I donít have a particular favorite web site for wind generators. But just do a google search on :
    Homemade wind turbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    After hearing some people talk about it, since I'm a natural skeptic, I decided to look into magnet motors and free energy a while back just for fun. Everything I saw was a scam.
    I bought a few dozen magnets and successfully replicated this:


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YvHb41KP7To
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    I would suggest that we don't need to know how the world economy works. We each know what is best for ourselves. We can reason how the fruits of our labor will impact others. Even if that reasoning isn't perfect, it will at least be in the right direction -- and knowledge tends to improve over time. What more is needed?
    No, I don't think it will. That is what is so ironic about the situation. The free market is what ensures the outcome and the free market is more powerful than any and all governments. Also there is Jevon's paradox - In economics, that as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, total consumption of that resource may increase, rather than decrease.


    I agree that the lack of a true free market in many areas causes misallocations of capital. Unfortunately, one consequence of that is price is usually not the best metric to use when making buying decisions.

    We might be slaves to oil, but that doesn't mean that we can't consciously reduce our individual dependence both through conservation and by buying products with some thought to the energy required to produce them. Some energy analysts believe that if everyone in the US did that, we would no longer depend on imported oil.

    Your example suggests another item for the list:

    -- Buy locally grown produce and other locally produced goods (minimizing the amount paid for transportation/oil and keeping money in your local economy)
    Yes, there are things individuals can do for their own situation but those actions appear to have a very low ROI. Even multi-billionaire Richard Rainwater (and there are many others; many of whom I have provided services for .... all keep such preparations very discreet) foresees a mess and has prepared for it. After taking everything into consideration I hope everyone reading this has made adequate preparations.

    I've had 80% of my net worth in the oil industry since 2001. Since 2005 I've been moving a lot into physical bullion. I've heavily researched just about everything. In my opinion, this is a Long Emergency and is like watching a train wreck in slow motion over 40 years.

    Hopefully I am completely wrong. Sure, I'd lose a lot of money but in this case I'd rather be wrong. But I don't think I am which is why I've allocated the capital that way.

    My advice: don't be either a fish or land mammal; be an amphibian. I've seen too many people do unwise and poorly calculated things which have negatively impacted their lives and standard of living.

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    I've taken to riding my bicycle for running errands around town. Don't need to drive for many of them. A basket and a backpack are all that's needed to carry most things.

    Also, take care of your health. Learn how to care for it wholistically, with natural foods, supplements, exercise, saunas, massage, energy work, internal cleansing and good all-around healthy lifestyle. Don't wait for universal health care to rescue you from yourself.
    If you want less oppressive government, quit trying to expand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahtrainer View Post
    No, I don't think it will. That is what is so ironic about the situation. The free market is what ensures the outcome and the free market is more powerful than any and all governments.
    Life and economics are largely chaotic, so of course I agree that actions can have unintended consequences. However, each of us can only be responsible for our own actions, not for those of others. If I refuse to fight in a war, and ten more people die as a result than would have otherwise, that doesn't make my decision wrong. I have removed myself from the process by standing my moral ground and simply refusing to participate. What other people do as a result is not in my control.


    Quote Originally Posted by jonahtrainer View Post
    In my opinion, this is a Long Emergency and is like watching a train wreck in slow motion over 40 years.
    I agree that it's a Long Emergency (I read that book too), though I'm unsure about the time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    I agree that it's a Long Emergency (I read that book too), though I'm unsure about the time frame.
    The former chief global strategist at Morgan Stanley seems to think sooner rather than later. I'm not sure on the time frame either but the production numbers lately sure aren't looking good. It appears May 2005 was peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadlighter View Post
    I've taken to riding my bicycle for running errands around town. Don't need to drive for many of them. A basket and a backpack are all that's needed to carry most things.

    Also, take care of your health. Learn how to care for it wholistically, with natural foods, supplements, exercise, saunas, massage, energy work, internal cleansing and good all-around healthy lifestyle. Don't wait for universal health care to rescue you from yourself.
    You talk about taking care of one's health and ride a motorcycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahtrainer View Post
    You talk about taking care of one's health and ride a motorcycle
    bicycle.....

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    A few more things that people can do:

    -- Academia is the source of many of today's "diseases" of the mind, including new flavors of socialism, distorted models of the economy, etc. When choosing a college for yourself or your child, be careful that its values reflect your values.
    -- In addition to the company that produces a product, also think about the country that produced it. Don't purchase products from a dictatorship or someplace that violates human rights, for example.
    -- Don't hire illegal immigrants, and don't do business with anyone who does.

    FWIW, these aren't idle suggestions; I follow my own advice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    A few more things that people can do:

    -- Academia is the source of many of today's "diseases" of the mind, including new flavors of socialism, distorted models of the economy, etc. When choosing a college for yourself or your child, be careful that its values reflect your values.
    I go to the University of Southern Maine. It is a very "liberal" university, and I realize that. It is my only option financially, and if I had the choice to support a more libertarian thinking university or college, then I would. Plus studying English is fairly safe from Professor bias, with the exception of the type of literature studied. It's not like my major is history or political science, in which I would be always fighting an uphill battle.

    I agree that students should give their money to places with similar philosophies. But seriously, most colleges out there are socialistic in ideology. It's kind of hard to avoid these days. I disagree with most everyone at school on most everything. Two out of 20 students, including myself, were RP supporters in my government class.
    Ron Paul is my President.

    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
    Pardon my French, but you're an asshole!

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
    I go to the University of Southern Maine. It is a very "liberal" university, and I realize that. It is my only option financially, and if I had the choice to support a more libertarian thinking university or college, then I would. Plus studying English is fairly safe from Professor bias, with the exception of the type of literature studied. It's not like my major is history or political science, in which I would be always fighting an uphill battle.

    I agree that students should give their money to places with similar philosophies. But seriously, most colleges out there are socialistic in ideology. It's kind of hard to avoid these days. I disagree with most everyone at school on most everything. Two out of 20 students, including myself, were RP supporters in my government class.
    It sounds like you've fallen into the usual trap of thinking that your local, affordable school is your only option. That's what they want you to believe, but it's not true.

    IMO, the problem with that approach is that you end up harming yourself much more than it appears at first. For example:

    -- You meet, and are subtly influenced / corrupted by people with the wrong views
    -- Your classes will contain incorrect concepts that can pollute your mind
    -- The money you pay in tuition will help enhance and continue the school's wrong-headed thinking
    -- The end result, after you graduate or leave, will very often be that you are no more employable or educated than you were when you first arrived. You might be tempted to brush this statement off as being "impossible," but trust me, as a former hiring manager at a Fortune 500 company and as the son of an extremely successful professional recruiter, I can tell you that it's true.

    The alternatives include things like:

    -- Moving to an area with better schools. If you can't afford it now, then work for a while until you can.
    -- Skip school all together. Instead, spend a similar amount of time and money to start a small business or to do a project that you will learn from. You will learn MUCH more this way than you will in school.
    -- Get a job and use the money to hire tutors who share your philosophies. Many of the subjects in college have no application in the real world (art history was one that I hated). Skip those and hire tutors for the important subjects: math, English, history, science, etc.
    -- Do volunteer work, or work as an intern, at a local company that's doing something you're interested in. Research, broadcasting, etc. Working for little or nothing is very difficult when you're older; take advantage of the opportunity now while you can.

    You might be interested in this article about a long-term strategy: http://www.12retire.com/?p=18
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    These are great ideas Ace. I'll try to implement the "sanction of the victim" policy in flexible areas of life. Unfortunately, there are other areas I feel are rather inflexible according to my desires or obligations, so I can't, and I doubt anyone can, implement such policy to its fullest extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutteck View Post
    I bought a few dozen magnets and successfully replicated this:


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YvHb41KP7To
    This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
    ďI will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.Ē ~ William Lloyd Garrison

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    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    It sounds like you've fallen into the usual trap of thinking that your local, affordable school is your only option. That's what they want you to believe, but it's not true.

    IMO, the problem with that approach is that you end up harming yourself much more than it appears at first. For example:

    -- You meet, and are subtly influenced / corrupted by people with the wrong views
    -- Your classes will contain incorrect concepts that can pollute your mind
    -- The money you pay in tuition will help enhance and continue the school's wrong-headed thinking
    -- The end result, after you graduate or leave, will very often be that you are no more employable or educated than you were when you first arrived. You might be tempted to brush this statement off as being "impossible," but trust me, as a former hiring manager at a Fortune 500 company and as the son of an extremely successful professional recruiter, I can tell you that it's true.

    The alternatives include things like:

    -- Moving to an area with better schools. If you can't afford it now, then work for a while until you can.
    -- Skip school all together. Instead, spend a similar amount of time and money to start a small business or to do a project that you will learn from. You will learn MUCH more this way than you will in school.
    -- Get a job and use the money to hire tutors who share your philosophies. Many of the subjects in college have no application in the real world (art history was one that I hated). Skip those and hire tutors for the important subjects: math, English, history, science, etc.
    -- Do volunteer work, or work as an intern, at a local company that's doing something you're interested in. Research, broadcasting, etc. Working for little or nothing is very difficult when you're older; take advantage of the opportunity now while you can.

    You might be interested in this article about a long-term strategy: http://www.12retire.com/?p=18
    Okay, you bring up some valid points. I would argue that being aware of the corruption allows me to filter the BS. Also, I am a strong willed individual, an opinionated $#@!. I would also argue that the English major does make the student a competent writer, which prepares he or she for the workforce well. Everything is writing. What is education? What is being employable. Am I educated if I am competent at my intended tasks or goals? Am I employable if I have people skills and wear a nice suit to an interview? Seriously, you make a good point. A degree is just a piece of paper. It does make it easier to get a job. I think that all colleges are corrupted, even the catholioc ones, and especially the ivy league. Pretty patheitc, really. Quarter-life crisis.

    Disclaimer: the above paragraph is not representative of my writing ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
    Okay, you bring up some valid points. I would argue that being aware of the corruption allows me to filter the BS. Also, I am a strong willed individual, an opinionated $#@!. I would also argue that the English major does make the student a competent writer, which prepares he or she for the workforce well. Everything is writing. What is education? What is being employable. Am I educated if I am competent at my intended tasks or goals? Am I employable if I have people skills and wear a nice suit to an interview? Seriously, you make a good point. A degree is just a piece of paper. It does make it easier to get a job. I think that all colleges are corrupted, even the catholioc ones, and especially the ivy league. Pretty patheitc, really. Quarter-life crisis.
    I agree wholeheartedly about the value of learning to write well. That's something I didn't learn until quite a while after I graduated from college. Most college graduates I know, including English majors, still don't write well.

    I can tell you exactly what makes you employable: previous work experience in the same or a closely related field. If you were to work for zero pay at a well-known company in your area of interest for two years, learning on-the-job, you will be more employable, and be able to get a higher starting salary, than most 4 year college graduates. There are exceptions, of course, but that's the general rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    Sure -- basic generators. Yep, definitely not difficult, especially starting with a kit. I made my first one totally from scratch in 7th grade. I've been toying with the idea of buying a wind turbine. I will definitely look into building one instead; could be a fun project.

    After hearing some people talk about it, since I'm a natural skeptic, I decided to look into magnet motors and free energy a while back just for fun. Everything I saw was a scam. There certainly is a lot of enthusiasm out there, but nothing provably real that I could find. One of the cult figures behind it, Tom Bearden, is certifiably crazy. I say that as a result of reading several long interviews with him, reviewing his website and patent in detail and seeing one of his DVDs.
    Making motors? Wow you're really living the John Galt life aren't you? I guess in my case I'm living the Richard Halley life. Sort of...haven't written a piano concerto...yet...mainly solo pieces so far! And...haven't had any disastrous premieres of any works yet...nor do I really intend to. I'm content to have a myspace presence and share my music that way. I make my living by other means anyhow. Not at a military contractor. Though my company does do business with government at times...it's kind of hard to avoid that entirely.
    Last edited by Pianist4Freedom; 04-18-2008 at 10:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    I agree wholeheartedly about the value of learning to write well. That's something I didn't learn until quite a while after I graduated from college. Most college graduates I know, including English majors, still don't write well.

    I can tell you exactly what makes you employable: previous work experience in the same or a closely related field. If you were to work for zero pay at a well-known company in your area of interest for two years, learning on-the-job, you will be more employable, and be able to get a higher starting salary, than most 4 year college graduates. There are exceptions, of course, but that's the general rule.
    So you're saying I should quit my job as a dishwasher and get a job assisting a writer at my local newspaper?
    Ron Paul is my President.

    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
    Pardon my French, but you're an asshole!



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    The "sanction of the victim" is a very important concept to understand.<IMHO> I've been refusing to give my sanction for decades now. You can't win in a rigged game.

    Take the red pill.

  30. #26
    If necessary, sell your house and move into a rental
    I would disagree with this. With renting, you are in debt to someone else which you are trying to avoid. If you own the house and pay it off you no longer have to support someone else with your money. And while you are paying for the house, you have a tool to reduce the amount of taxes you have to pay.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Warrior View Post
    The "sanction of the victim" is a very important concept to understand.<IMHO> I've been refusing to give my sanction for decades now. You can't win in a rigged game.

    Take the red pill.
    Do you think I should be worried that my boss, and his boss, are both named Mr. Smith? And that the boss of our branch company is also Mr. Smith? ...?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Pianist4Freedom View Post
    Do you think I should be worried that my boss, and his boss, are both named Mr. Smith? And that the boss of our branch company is also Mr. Smith? ...?
    Do they all wear black suits, sunglasses, look alike, and sound alike? If so, I'd suggest that you run like the wind.

    Thanks!

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Warrior View Post
    Do they all wear black suits, sunglasses, look alike, and sound alike? If so, I'd suggest that you run like the wind.

    Thanks!
    no, but they do look like elves from the lord of the rings. . . . . . .



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