They are going to attach US Citizen spying Permanently to the damn Stimulus Package

[Ex Post Facto]

Bush is requesting a permanant law for US eavesdropping, and will veto and sunset laws. This needs to stop immediately. The plan is called FISA - Google it.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203


Bush wants stimulus plan, intel law
Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:45:19


President Bush has asked the Congress for swift action on economic stimulus package and extension of the intelligence eavesdropping law.

The White House and House of Representatives leaders of both parties have reached an agreement on a stimulus program which will provide tax rebate checks to 117 million families and give businesses $50 billion in incentives to invest in new plants and equipment.

Although some democrats want more provisions added to the program, such as unemployment benefits extension, an increase in home heating subsidies or higher food welfare benefits, President Bush said, "While I understand the desire to add provisions from both the left and the right, it would be a mistake to undermine this important bipartisan agreement."

Bush also asked the Congress to extend the US eavesdropping law which will expire on February 1.

The bill, currently before Congress, would modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which states when federal agents must get a court order before tapping phone and computer lines inside the US to gather intelligence on foreign threats.

"We need to know who our enemies are and what they are plotting and we cannot afford to wait until after an attack to put the pieces together," Bush said, warning against allowing the law to expire.

NA/BGH

[raiha]

Holey toledo! What? this must mean he is going to spy on all his white collar cronies! Not!

[braumstr]

Maybe someone can attach an impeachment article to it while they are at it.

[HOLLYWOOD]

While watching Wolf Blitzer’s The Situation Room on CNN on Wednesday, off-hand comments during a conversation with Jack Cafferty took me by surprise:

Buried deep inside this legislation is a provision that will pardon President Bush and all the members of his administration of any possible crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of detainees dated all the way back to September 11, 2001.

At least President Nixon had Gerald Ford to do his dirty work. President Bush is trying to pardon himself.

... Under the War Crimes Act, violations of the Geneva Conventions are felonies. In some cases, punishable by death. When the Supreme Court ruled the Geneva Conventions applied to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, President Bush and his boys were suddenly in big trouble. They had been working these prisoners over pretty good.

In an effort to avoid possible prosecution, they're trying to cram this bill through Congress before the end of the week when Congress adjourns. The reason there's such a rush to do this, if the Democrats get control of the House in November, well, this kind of legislation probably wouldn't pass.

... The question is this: Should Congress pass a bill giving retroactive immunity to President Bush for possible war crimes?

For me, this raises several red flags immediately and raises the questions:

1. Why does President Bush so urgently need pardon/blanket immunity for crimes dating back to September 11th 2001 that no one has proven that he’s committed yet?

2. Why wasn’t/hasn't the presidential pardon section mentioned out in the open and above board?

While it’s understandable that protections would be put in place to provide immunity to CIA interrogators that are only following orders from the President, it is not reasonable to pardon the issuer of those dubious orders as well. So determined and so urgent is President Bush’s need, apparently, that Republican Congress members have begun vigorously attacking anyone who opposes the legislature as un-American and soft on terrorism.

As written, the bill also changes the definition of an enemy combatant to mean just about anything President Bush wants it to mean. This includes such vague terms as someone knowingly supporting terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities, but does not spell out how those definitions are determined or who is to make the distinctions. The legislation retains the illegality of such methods as induced hypothermia, biological experiments, and sleep deprivation, however Bush would still be free to create other methods of questioning as he sees fit whether they conflict with the Geneva Conventions or not.

It is my opinion that President Bush and the Republican led Congress should be made to answer for this obvious misleading of the American voting public as to the actual motives of this legislation. An explanation of their urgency to get it passed before Congress recesses for the November elections might help too.

We have NAZIs and NEOCONs RUNNING THE COUNTRY and BAFFOONS AND APES ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF CONGRESS!

[richk]

Bush is requesting a permanant law for US eavesdropping, and will veto and sunset laws. This needs to stop immediately. The plan is called FISA - Google it.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203


Bush wants stimulus plan, intel law
Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:45:19


President Bush has asked the Congress for swift action on economic stimulus package and extension of the intelligence eavesdropping law.

The White House and House of Representatives leaders of both parties have reached an agreement on a stimulus program which will provide tax rebate checks to 117 million families and give businesses $50 billion in incentives to invest in new plants and equipment.

Although some democrats want more provisions added to the program, such as unemployment benefits extension, an increase in home heating subsidies or higher food welfare benefits, President Bush said, "While I understand the desire to add provisions from both the left and the right, it would be a mistake to undermine this important bipartisan agreement."

Bush also asked the Congress to extend the US eavesdropping law which will expire on February 1.

The bill, currently before Congress, would modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which states when federal agents must get a court order before tapping phone and computer lines inside the US to gather intelligence on foreign threats.

"We need to know who our enemies are and what they are plotting and we cannot afford to wait until after an attack to put the pieces together," Bush said, warning against allowing the law to expire.

NA/BGH

Maybe I missed it, perhaps you can show me where they are tying these 2 items together under the same bill? Is it in a different article than the one you posted?
Or is this post an example of "bad posting"?

[PepperdotNet]

Same thing I was thinking. A link to a source not in Iran would be good too.

[Sunshinysmile]

Hey, Americans lie just as much as Iranians...isn't that why we are here? Usually this outlet cites sources, but maybe the bill is the source.

[Sunshinysmile]

While watching Wolf Blitzer’s The Situation Room on CNN on Wednesday, off-hand comments during a conversation with Jack Cafferty took me by surprise:

Buried deep inside this legislation is a provision that will pardon President Bush and all the members of his administration of any possible crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of detainees dated all the way back to September 11, 2001.

At least President Nixon had Gerald Ford to do his dirty work. President Bush is trying to pardon himself.

... Under the War Crimes Act, violations of the Geneva Conventions are felonies. In some cases, punishable by death. When the Supreme Court ruled the Geneva Conventions applied to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, President Bush and his boys were suddenly in big trouble. They had been working these prisoners over pretty good.

In an effort to avoid possible prosecution, they're trying to cram this bill through Congress before the end of the week when Congress adjourns. The reason there's such a rush to do this, if the Democrats get control of the House in November, well, this kind of legislation probably wouldn't pass.

... The question is this: Should Congress pass a bill giving retroactive immunity to President Bush for possible war crimes?

For me, this raises several red flags immediately and raises the questions:

1. Why does President Bush so urgently need pardon/blanket immunity for crimes dating back to September 11th 2001 that no one has proven that he’s committed yet?

2. Why wasn’t/hasn't the presidential pardon section mentioned out in the open and above board?

While it’s understandable that protections would be put in place to provide immunity to CIA interrogators that are only following orders from the President, it is not reasonable to pardon the issuer of those dubious orders as well. So determined and so urgent is President Bush’s need, apparently, that Republican Congress members have begun vigorously attacking anyone who opposes the legislature as un-American and soft on terrorism.

As written, the bill also changes the definition of an enemy combatant to mean just about anything President Bush wants it to mean. This includes such vague terms as someone knowingly supporting terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities, but does not spell out how those definitions are determined or who is to make the distinctions. The legislation retains the illegality of such methods as induced hypothermia, biological experiments, and sleep deprivation, however Bush would still be free to create other methods of questioning as he sees fit whether they conflict with the Geneva Conventions or not.

It is my opinion that President Bush and the Republican led Congress should be made to answer for this obvious misleading of the American voting public as to the actual motives of this legislation. An explanation of their urgency to get it passed before Congress recesses for the November elections might help too.

We have NAZIs and NEOCONs RUNNING THE COUNTRY and BAFFOONS AND APES ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF CONGRESS!

where is the link? thanks!

[Sunshinysmile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnaSN5Twq8 Is this it? It is two years old. What happened to the bill?

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/

RON's: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...nto-votes.html