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[virgil47]

MSDOODAH, you are a woman after my own heart. I believe we are most likely in the same age group and have had similar life experiences. I truly hope the young movers and shakers in the Ron Paul grassroots see the light and start trying to recruit more and more older americans. They should all memorize your post and then make use of that information to become proactive in the recruitment of their grandparents, neighbors and local senior citizens.

[pcosmar]

I got to speak my mind on this.
I agree with the spirit of your post. More attention needs to go to getting older voters.
But before I do that, well this is me. I am 50 and my wife is 62.



I have gotten upset at people bashing the young people, for their zeal, passion or enthusiasm.
There are many "older" supporters that are also loud and proud. I met some at Mackinac Island that were older than me.
I have spoken to folks in my area, My Pastor likes Ron Paul but won't preach it from the pulpit.
Some in my church like him, some are convinced that he has no chance.
And the real unfortunate reality is that some are just STUPID. I know I have spoken to them, and can find no logical thinking process. They think Rudy is Conservative , cause they say so on TV.
Many do not use computers.
Until they see him ON TV, all day long. they are not going to consider him a candidate.
They will not research, they do not think. They will be herded.
It sucks, but it is true.
My 82 year old mother is intelligent, She looked at the material,and she watched the first debate.
"he was the only one that made any sense." was her response.
Some people get it.
I don't see people getting turned off of Rons Message by some loud kids, most folks don't care.
I agree that we should be the best ambassadors we can, but at the end of the day it comes down to the message and not the delivery.
Some people just don't get it.

[LionHeart87]

bump for significance

[Spirit of '76]

Thread of the month.

[driller80545]

I spend a lot of time with "old" people and do find that they get most of their info from media. But they can be convinced with the facts if you are willing to treat them with respect.
PS. This post not proof read for mistakes in grammar

[Cyclone]

I am retired and live on a fixed income. and no longer interested in spelling bees.

So are you more interested in being safe (foreign policy) or keeping your money safe? (SS, inflation tax, the economy in general). I am in your shoes as well and for me it is no contest. I am dead without the money for sure, I don't know if I will ever get hit by a terrorist. How about you?

[FreeTraveler]

You're preachin' to the choir, here, MsDoodahs, but thanks for such a great sermon! If all the young ones would polish up a little and go visit the local retirement centers and senior citizen centers for a couple of hours, Ron Paul would be winning. As an "oldie" of sorts myself (55) I appreciate what you had to say about scaring folks, too. Myself, I'm likely to be out there chanting and chasin' myself, but it won't be around old folks, and it won't be in front of cameras!

[Cyclone]

I spend a lot of time with "old" people and do find that they get most of their info from media. But they can be convinced with the facts if you are willing to treat them with respect.
PS. This post not proof read for mistakes in grammar

Clearly or you would have known that both post and script are abbreviated and therefore you need a period after the P as well as the S and sentences end in periods.

[freedom-maniac]

Bump...for...whatever.

[imaginegirl]

I wholeheartedly AGREE. Our months of research & a well-written article turned my liberal grandmother around (who only cares about her Social Security check)... check here for what we discussed with her:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=102207

& use it on your own "old folks"! We're printing out copies she can give all her old lady friends at church.. & you know how those older ladies find out everything about everybody. Get it in their hands & it could spread like wildfire. And if they're like my grandma, they'll have time to read the entire thing, so don't worry about how long it is. (above thread).

Oh - "their" is another one of those I before E exceptions... yeah, I'm an editor & it drives me crazy, too.

[Mark]

Dang, you're mean.

She knows enough to tell what you should do. Especially about being a Christian.

[Bradley in DC]

MsD's a troublemaker!


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpos...82&postcount=5

[driller80545]

So are you more interested in being safe (foreign policy) or keeping your money safe? (SS, inflation tax, the economy in general). I am in your shoes as well and for me it is no contest. I am dead without the money for sure, I don't know if I will ever get hit by a terrorist. How about you?

No, cyclone, I am not afraid of terrorists. I am more afraid of getting struck by lightning. I am just trying to relate my experiences while trying to convince older folks. I am not as concerned with the economy as some may be because I have seen this downfall coming for a long time and have protected my retirement money. Most of the old people that I know refuse to believe the seriousness of this economy and so therefore are not as worried. But the media and GWB have convinced them that they need to be afraid of muslims. I know it sounds crazy, but it is the feedback that I get. Especially crazy to me knowing that these same people witnessed Russia and all the stupid propoganda that came with the cold war. The cold war was much more intense but they seem to not remember that.

[driller80545]

Clearly or you would have known that both post and script are abbreviated and therefore you need a period after the P as well as the S and sentences end in periods.

Were you or are you a damn school teacher. I have never been any good at this, not even in the fourth grade. Haha

[godawgs]

Your post was a waste of time. Not because you do not bring up great points that are specific to elements of the campaign, but you misunderstand all of THIS. The fact that any of THIS exists right now is because of the crazy and ecletic group of people that came together on this Ron Paul banner. All of THIS exists because of the snowball throwers, the worrisome posters, the yellers...

Here is the problem I have with your post and similiar ones. The failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about:

- posts in this forum
- sign wavers
- chasing hannity
- washing our hair

If anything, the supporters gave this campaign a chance to have a chance. Thinkiing you are going to turn everyone into zombies is silly. Let me just say this again, the failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about

Have fun, this is a great time. Old folks know Guiliani and McCain and are going to vote for those two guys whether we walk around in our Sunday best or not.

[LandonCook]

Bump for truth!

[ddoggphx]

Great post, even if some will hate it.

This thing is about winning. At least that's why I put my money into it.

[Revolution9]

I got to speak my mind on this.
I agree with the spirit of your post. More attention needs to go to getting older voters.
But before I do that, well this is me. I am 50 and my wife is 62.



I have gotten upset at people bashing the young people, for their zeal, passion or enthusiasm.
There are many "older" supporters that are also loud and proud. I met some at Mackinac Island that were older than me.
I have spoken to folks in my area, My Pastor likes Ron Paul but won't preach it from the pulpit.
Some in my church like him, some are convinced that he has no chance.
And the real unfortunate reality is that some are just STUPID. I know I have spoken to them, and can find no logical thinking process. They think Rudy is Conservative , cause they say so on TV.
Many do not use computers.
Until they see him ON TV, all day long. they are not going to consider him a candidate.
They will not research, they do not think. They will be herded.
It sucks, but it is true.
My 82 year old mother is intelligent, She looked at the material,and she watched the first debate.
"he was the only one that made any sense." was her response.
Some people get it.
I don't see people getting turned off of Rons Message by some loud kids, most folks don't care.
I agree that we should be the best ambassadors we can, but at the end of the day it comes down to the message and not the delivery.
Some people just don't get it.

Good to see your face. I am 50 as well but I am a rock and roller and folks think I am my son's brother. So I do not get to carry that look of I have been around buddy. I am probably hard core conservatve in most of my beliefs but get pegged as a liberal because of my dress code.( I dress very nicely but not corporate. I wear suit jackets and polished boots and shoes) but.. I am like..uhh.no..Degeneracy is not part of my paradigm thanks. i was taught philosophy not by the MSM but by the classical thinkers. I have enough street smarts and experience to understand wbhy certain behaviours are called sins and how they warp you. Now.. I do not think I should be canvassing door tpo door..in the square yes....Not because do not shower or dress up but I am just one of those folks with a face (see avatar). Interestingly at the rallies it has been the hard core conservative republicans who have hovered by me asking me numerous questions and my opinion on this that and the other. It helps I have some local fame as the premier landmark sculptor and most know my work.

As for disrespecting old people here in the US. It is a damned shame how older folks/senior citizens get treated and farmed out to nursing homes by their families. Very unnatural if one is to review the other cultures on the earth and their histories.

As for older folks disrespecting youngsters and forgetting how it is to be passionate about a cause and young and thinking yer gonna change the world.. Give the youngsters a break. I straddle the two worlds myself and will defend either against the ravagings of the other. We were all young once or still are and we are all going to get old if we stay outta traffics way.

Be good. remain true to yourself ( something nobody mentions but Ron would wish for) and do not get discouraged.. You are making history.

best
Randy

[BeFranklin]

The clean Mormon that started the gay marriage mess in the United States, the veteran that makes racy comments, or the preacher that is constantly making off colored morbid ones about opponents who should slit their wrists, or voters who will wind up dead like the ducks he shot if they don't vote for him, when his son isn't torturing a dog to death in boy scout camp? This *isn't* scary?

Although bad behavior is never approved of, we should do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because others will view us better. I guarantee the media and the devil will keep calling us so many names no matter what we do or how perfect we are, because Jesus Christ was perfect, and they called him Bezzabulb.

But God blesses, so do the right thing because of Him. Do not do the right thing to please wicked people, because there is no blessing there.

Second, I don't think throwing a snow ball at a scoundrel is a bad thing. If "old people" are afraid of that, then old people better get out of the country that use to tar and feather soundrels. But at least my mother isn't like that. She's an old fashioned American.

If you are going to keep on moving every message out of the main forum so that actual sick things the other candidates are doing is hid, and then make mountains out of molehills out of throwing a SNOWBALL, maybe you shouldnt just relax! Because the other candidates wouldn't look so good if you didn't hide their problems all the time, but your pecking at dust spots and ignoring planks.

The problem is not that we are not good enough. The problem is we're trying to please men not God. If you're trying to please God, you'll focus on your own relationship with him, not other supporters.

Last - if you really have to find fault, I have 4 other people that it would be a lot more valuable to do so with. Torturing dogs or snowballs. Its your choice.

[tamor]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

[TexFootballMom]

I made a suggestion to the young people a few days ago.

It's just one idea.

Set up something with some of the retirement homes. Take a group.
Entertain them. A lot of you are musically inclined and creative.
Play some music, but keep it mild. Visit with them and make them laugh.
Then have someone speak to them about Ron Paul and what he stands for.
Answer their questions. Then when it is all said and done, offer rides to the precinct for them to vote. Make them some goodies to eat. etc etc Make sure you take voter registration cards in case they are not registered.

Just a thought.

[BeFranklin]

Ms. Doodahs, I've said similar things that you have. Thanks for reiterating what needs to be said, regardless of what kind of response you may get from some who frequent this board.

Thank you for your wisdom, and everyone get out and vote in FL on Tuesday!!!

Here's another self - abasement thread.

[RockEnds]

Well, I don't know about getting closer to God as one gets closer to meeting his maker. Nonetheless, the boomers are a brand of their own. I'll give you that.

I will say this, though. Many of the people I spoke with here were either old or evangelicals. In both cases, they liked seeing the involvement of the young people. They liked the momentum we have. Their problem was electablility. Some of the old people are bigger conspiracy theorists than anyone here. They really don't believe 'they' will let someone with real moral convictions win. They've lived a long time and seen alot of things. But they've never seen an honest man win the presidency. It was an obstacle.

I'm still having a conversation with a local GOP person who is debating with himself about whether it's better to give his support to a candidate with whom he agrees on principle (Dr. Paul) or one who might stand a chance to get the nomination (I don't know who he is considering). He's an evangelical. He was a Thompson supporter. He doesn't like Huckabee's socialism.

I've never, ever personally experienced anyone express a problem with the Revolution banners except people within the Ron Paul movement. I'm not saying others don't exist. I've just never met anyone.

I watched the press label us as rowdy at the DesMoines rally in June for doing nothing more than holding signs outside and cheering during a speech. Little old ladies from the 'other' event did look as if they were offended because we stood and cheered when Dr. Paul said he wanted to bring our kids home. I don't care if they were offended or not. My kid was over there. I was damned glad to hear someone say it. I was offended that they were offended, so we were even.

At the Straw Poll, the press accused Ron Paul supporters of being too rambunctious also. They must have seen something I didn't see. I only saw people displaying pride in their candidate. None of the other candidates had that kind of support. I saw their criticism as nothing more than jealousy.

I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to cause real trouble. But things get blown out of proportion frequently.

Just try to remember that every single person you meet is a potential Ron Paul supporter. They may not convert today, but you never know what may happen in the future. Be respectful toward people, but stand your ground. There's a responsible balance.

[driller80545]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

I think this would be a very good idea. And I would like to say that, in this post, I have been trying to relate how I think we can connect with older voters. I in no way have meant to criticize the younger people on our team. Their tactics are usually inspiring and sometimes downright funny. Sliding down the hill on the sheriff's sign, that one was priceless.

[crazyfingers]

I don't disagree with your post (except for the church part), but I think the real problem lies not with the fervent (and sometimes misguided) supporters but with the campaigns inability to communicate the message effectively to a general audience. Still, even if we don't win this one, the fact that there are so many young people who care about the Constitution and know what true freedom is gives me hope going forward.

Unfortunately, as much as it hurts to say, I don't think we can expect the same people (older voters) who got us into this mess to get us out.

[bluemarkets]

good post, some people need to hear this ...

I remember a few weeks back, we had a family get together, about 5-6 aunts uncles as well as my parents were all sitting around the table, (all baby boomers)

and then I started talking about the economy, inflation, the devaluation of the dollar. and the questions kept coming, "well what should we do about medicare", "why is the subprime mortgage problem so bad and how did it start", "what is the best solution for the illegals", etc...

not one of them had a clue how our whole monetary system works, when I explained how we "bailout" companies by giving them billions of dollars printed out of thin air, my mom replied "well thats dumb, why do we do that?"

educate yourselves, have logical discussions with people older than you, ask them what is their pet issue and give them Ron's position, 9 times out of 10 they will agree... it is the message

just my 2 cents

[MsDoodahs]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

EXCELLENT idea!

[hueylong]

Take a bath. Shave. Comb your hair.

Stop acting like an *sshole.

Probably the most important post in the history of the campaign.

[BeFranklin]

Your post was a waste of time. Not because you do not bring up great points that are specific to elements of the campaign, but you misunderstand all of THIS. The fact that any of THIS exists right now is because of the crazy and ecletic group of people that came together on this Ron Paul banner. All of THIS exists because of the snowball throwers, the worrisome posters, the yellers...

Here is the problem I have with your post and similiar ones. The failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about:

- posts in this forum
- sign wavers
- chasing hannity
- washing our hair

If anything, the supporters gave this campaign a chance to have a chance. Thinkiing you are going to turn everyone into zombies is silly. Let me just say this again, the failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about

Have fun, this is a great time. Old folks know Guiliani and McCain and are going to vote for those two guys whether we walk around in our Sunday best or not.

Let me try to stave off another self abasement thread, and I'm completely serious when I say that is PART of the problem. Its a sin to be a man pleaser, but not set your whole self to pleasing God. That is a problem. I'd rather lose the election then lose being right before the Lord. When I see any thread that puts as its premise we need to change the way we act because we want to change the election, not because its just the right thing, then its off to the wrong start right now.

Now, here is what I learned from MsDoohDahs message about how to treat old folks so we act like them and they will respect us.

The problem is we are coodling them too much!

Here is the insight I gleaned

I might insult most of you, but most of you are spoiled rotten, and caused the mess we are in. You didn't take responsibility for your actions when people told you for over thirty years it would cause what it would cause, and you'll still not taking responsibility. Well, you are surely are being given one last chance to repent. And if you are going to church, and are afraid of dying, rest assured God does punish those who do such wickedness in life.

The government officials are our public servants. You have full responsibility as a master to make up the evil actions they may do. Stop pointing the finger at the government, because on the judegement day, they aren't going to be there to point at.

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Now, you see, I started out just as silly as MsDoohDahs message, but I couldn't keep it up. It is serious. And maybe, we should stop coodling. Surely, a few sins of the people messages neeed to be preached.

[BeFranklin]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

The same suggestion goes to everyone. As if only the young people should be canvasing or talking to people

I think *that* is part of the problem.