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[TexFootballMom]

I made a suggestion to the young people a few days ago.

It's just one idea.

Set up something with some of the retirement homes. Take a group.
Entertain them. A lot of you are musically inclined and creative.
Play some music, but keep it mild. Visit with them and make them laugh.
Then have someone speak to them about Ron Paul and what he stands for.
Answer their questions. Then when it is all said and done, offer rides to the precinct for them to vote. Make them some goodies to eat. etc etc Make sure you take voter registration cards in case they are not registered.

Just a thought.

[BeFranklin]

Ms. Doodahs, I've said similar things that you have. Thanks for reiterating what needs to be said, regardless of what kind of response you may get from some who frequent this board.

Thank you for your wisdom, and everyone get out and vote in FL on Tuesday!!!

Here's another self - abasement thread.

[RockEnds]

Well, I don't know about getting closer to God as one gets closer to meeting his maker. Nonetheless, the boomers are a brand of their own. I'll give you that.

I will say this, though. Many of the people I spoke with here were either old or evangelicals. In both cases, they liked seeing the involvement of the young people. They liked the momentum we have. Their problem was electablility. Some of the old people are bigger conspiracy theorists than anyone here. They really don't believe 'they' will let someone with real moral convictions win. They've lived a long time and seen alot of things. But they've never seen an honest man win the presidency. It was an obstacle.

I'm still having a conversation with a local GOP person who is debating with himself about whether it's better to give his support to a candidate with whom he agrees on principle (Dr. Paul) or one who might stand a chance to get the nomination (I don't know who he is considering). He's an evangelical. He was a Thompson supporter. He doesn't like Huckabee's socialism.

I've never, ever personally experienced anyone express a problem with the Revolution banners except people within the Ron Paul movement. I'm not saying others don't exist. I've just never met anyone.

I watched the press label us as rowdy at the DesMoines rally in June for doing nothing more than holding signs outside and cheering during a speech. Little old ladies from the 'other' event did look as if they were offended because we stood and cheered when Dr. Paul said he wanted to bring our kids home. I don't care if they were offended or not. My kid was over there. I was damned glad to hear someone say it. I was offended that they were offended, so we were even.

At the Straw Poll, the press accused Ron Paul supporters of being too rambunctious also. They must have seen something I didn't see. I only saw people displaying pride in their candidate. None of the other candidates had that kind of support. I saw their criticism as nothing more than jealousy.

I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to cause real trouble. But things get blown out of proportion frequently.

Just try to remember that every single person you meet is a potential Ron Paul supporter. They may not convert today, but you never know what may happen in the future. Be respectful toward people, but stand your ground. There's a responsible balance.

[driller80545]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

I think this would be a very good idea. And I would like to say that, in this post, I have been trying to relate how I think we can connect with older voters. I in no way have meant to criticize the younger people on our team. Their tactics are usually inspiring and sometimes downright funny. Sliding down the hill on the sheriff's sign, that one was priceless.

[crazyfingers]

I don't disagree with your post (except for the church part), but I think the real problem lies not with the fervent (and sometimes misguided) supporters but with the campaigns inability to communicate the message effectively to a general audience. Still, even if we don't win this one, the fact that there are so many young people who care about the Constitution and know what true freedom is gives me hope going forward.

Unfortunately, as much as it hurts to say, I don't think we can expect the same people (older voters) who got us into this mess to get us out.

[bluemarkets]

good post, some people need to hear this ...

I remember a few weeks back, we had a family get together, about 5-6 aunts uncles as well as my parents were all sitting around the table, (all baby boomers)

and then I started talking about the economy, inflation, the devaluation of the dollar. and the questions kept coming, "well what should we do about medicare", "why is the subprime mortgage problem so bad and how did it start", "what is the best solution for the illegals", etc...

not one of them had a clue how our whole monetary system works, when I explained how we "bailout" companies by giving them billions of dollars printed out of thin air, my mom replied "well thats dumb, why do we do that?"

educate yourselves, have logical discussions with people older than you, ask them what is their pet issue and give them Ron's position, 9 times out of 10 they will agree... it is the message

just my 2 cents

[MsDoodahs]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

EXCELLENT idea!

[hueylong]

Take a bath. Shave. Comb your hair.

Stop acting like an *sshole.

Probably the most important post in the history of the campaign.

[BeFranklin]

Your post was a waste of time. Not because you do not bring up great points that are specific to elements of the campaign, but you misunderstand all of THIS. The fact that any of THIS exists right now is because of the crazy and ecletic group of people that came together on this Ron Paul banner. All of THIS exists because of the snowball throwers, the worrisome posters, the yellers...

Here is the problem I have with your post and similiar ones. The failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about:

- posts in this forum
- sign wavers
- chasing hannity
- washing our hair

If anything, the supporters gave this campaign a chance to have a chance. Thinkiing you are going to turn everyone into zombies is silly. Let me just say this again, the failure of this campaign to generate higher polling numbers has NOTHING to do with anything you complained about

Have fun, this is a great time. Old folks know Guiliani and McCain and are going to vote for those two guys whether we walk around in our Sunday best or not.

Let me try to stave off another self abasement thread, and I'm completely serious when I say that is PART of the problem. Its a sin to be a man pleaser, but not set your whole self to pleasing God. That is a problem. I'd rather lose the election then lose being right before the Lord. When I see any thread that puts as its premise we need to change the way we act because we want to change the election, not because its just the right thing, then its off to the wrong start right now.

Now, here is what I learned from MsDoohDahs message about how to treat old folks so we act like them and they will respect us.

The problem is we are coodling them too much!

Here is the insight I gleaned

I might insult most of you, but most of you are spoiled rotten, and caused the mess we are in. You didn't take responsibility for your actions when people told you for over thirty years it would cause what it would cause, and you'll still not taking responsibility. Well, you are surely are being given one last chance to repent. And if you are going to church, and are afraid of dying, rest assured God does punish those who do such wickedness in life.

The government officials are our public servants. You have full responsibility as a master to make up the evil actions they may do. Stop pointing the finger at the government, because on the judegement day, they aren't going to be there to point at.

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Now, you see, I started out just as silly as MsDoohDahs message, but I couldn't keep it up. It is serious. And maybe, we should stop coodling. Surely, a few sins of the people messages neeed to be preached.

[BeFranklin]

Would it help for Carol Paul to speak to the older crowd? I think she would tell it like it is and could relate the them pretty well. any ideas?

The same suggestion goes to everyone. As if only the young people should be canvasing or talking to people

I think *that* is part of the problem.