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    Kucinich 2012 (is how it'll go down)

    It will take a leader like Ron Paul to heal the rift before a leader like Dennis Kucinich can most effective.
    Last edited by teleomorph; 01-25-2008 at 03:52 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by teleomorph View Post
    It will take a leader like Ron Paul to heal the rift before a leader like Dennis Kucinich can most effective.
    I don't know too much about Kucinich, except that his foreign policy is similar to RP... If things don't go RP's way this time around maybe I'll vote Kucinich next time
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    They are economically opposite. The only similarity I see is ending occupation of other countries.

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    Wasn't he suppose to hold a press conference today about his drop for the presidential bid.
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    no offense to Kucinich, but I think it would take getting more than 1% of the vote in the Iowa Caucuses before Kucinich can be effective at all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by forsmant View Post
    They are economically opposite. The only similarity I see is ending occupation of other countries.
    Although Dennis advocates a different road map to solving the problems that plague this nation, he does share many of the same objectives and has fought hard for a more open and fair electoral process.

    Here area couple of other big ones for you, the information is readily available on his website:

    1. Securing Constitutional Democracy http://www.dennis4president.com/go/i...nal-democracy/

    2. Saving Capitalism
    "As President, Dennis Kucinich will end America's participation in NAFTA and the WTO. Huge, multi-national corporations ship American jobs overseas, turn a blind eye to human rights abuses and hide behind their lobbyists in Washington."

    3. Fighting corporate powers that do not operate in the public interest
    "The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu

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    Does sound a lot like RP..at least that stuff. I really respect the man, too for trying to complain to the FCC and filing a recount in NH. He is proving the federal systems just don't do what they were designed for.l I really respect the man..

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    i think kucinich, huckabee and obama have their eyes set
    on 2012 if 2008 turns into a john mccain or hillary clinton year.
    mitt romney wants to run again... and i think since he's older than
    kucinich, huckabee, and obama, this gives him less of a timewindow!!!



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    I'd rather have Giuliani as president than Kucinich. No lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadsden Flag View Post
    I'd rather have Giuliani as president than Kucinich. No lie.
    Absolutely. The only time Kucinich cares about the constitiution is when it fits his socialist political agenda. That doesn't happen too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadsden Flag View Post
    I'd rather have Giuliani as president than Kucinich. No lie.
    Please take that back Dennis is a honest man. He tried to get bush/cheney impeached. And he's losing his house seat because of it. Guiliani is not only a criminal, a warmonger, but may have had foreknowledge of 911 BEFORE it happened.

    Kucinich's domestic policy's do differ from paul and are more socialist; However on foreign policy issues him and Paul are very similiar. If your a true Ron Paul supporter you would NEVER want ghoulani over kucinich. Besides dennis is a FRIEND of Ron Paul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by s35wf View Post
    Please take that back Dennis is a honest man. He tried to get bush/cheney impeached. And he's losing his house seat because of it. Guiliani is not only a criminal, a warmonger, but may have had foreknowledge of 911 BEFORE it happened.

    Kucinich's domestic policy's do differ from paul and are more socialist; However on foreign policy issues him and Paul are very similiar. If your a true Ron Paul supporter you would NEVER want ghoulani over kucinich. Besides dennis is a FRIEND of Ron Paul!
    2nd amendment.

    Enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s35wf View Post
    Please take that back Dennis is a honest man. He tried to get bush/cheney impeached. And he's losing his house seat because of it. Guiliani is not only a criminal, a warmonger, but may have had foreknowledge of 911 BEFORE it happened.

    Kucinich's domestic policy's do differ from paul and are more socialist; However on foreign policy issues him and Paul are very similiar. If your a true Ron Paul supporter you would NEVER want ghoulani over kucinich. Besides dennis is a FRIEND of Ron Paul!
    I am a die hard RP supporter and I would vote for Guiliani before a socialist.

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    2nd amendment. I hold that right to bear arms with high regard. I would never vote for an anti-gun candidate.
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    And you don't think that the Ghoul would try to take away our gun rights?



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    There won't be free elections in 2012 without Ron Paul.

    The pretense of the voting sham itself, will no longer be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustancostine View Post
    I am a die hard RP supporter and I would vote for Guiliani before a socialist.

    --Dustan
    You would vote for a warmonger? What should I call this? Hypocrisy or blindness of loyalism? (Please excuse my langauge, just cannot believe what you are saying)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoApe4RonPaul2008 View Post
    2nd amendment. I hold that right to bear arms with high regard. I would never vote for an anti-gun candidate.
    This is, for me, a litmus test. If a politician doesn't believe you can be trusted with the means of self-defense, how can you POSSIBLY trust him to run your government?

    An unadulterated commitment to the Second Amendment is the dividing line between a free individual and the sheeple. My apologies to those of you who disagree, but you are wrong to believe otherwise.

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    Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

    People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician—or political philosophy—is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

    Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put.

    If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

    If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

    What his attitude—toward your ownership and use of weapons—conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

    If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

    If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend—the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights—do you want to entrust him with anything?

    If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil—like "Constitutionalist"—when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

    Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician—or political philosophy—is really made of.

    He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun—but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school—or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway—Prussian, maybe—and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

    And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

    Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man—and you're not—what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

    On the other hand—or the other party—should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

    Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue—health care, international trade—all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

    And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.
    But it isn't true, is it?
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    I was talking with a co-worker today who saw me browsing gunbroker.com for an AR-15. He asked, "What good will a gun like that do anyone?"

    Just a note: My co-worker is, by definition, the ultimate wilderness man. He has oodles of mossbergs, remingtons, bolt-actions, and shotguns galore. He doesn't own anything 'tactical.'

    I couldn't help thinking to myself:

    After being warned by Paul Revere that the British were coming, I don't think the minutemen were interested in going quail hunting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forsmant View Post
    They are economically opposite. The only similarity I see is ending occupation of other countries.
    In simplest terms Kucinich is a collectivist and Paul is an individualist. That's the big difference. That's the paradox. I would put Paul in charge and make Kucinich his vice-president.

    They are in principled agreement on foreign policy. On domestic policy I would bring in Lyndon LaRouche to advise the Paul presidency on financial/monetary and physical economic issues and strategies.

    I would first demand of LaRouche an apology and a written retraction of his anti-Spanish American, pro-Jewish sick and sickening points of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of Detroit View Post
    2nd amendment.

    Enough said.
    Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

    Regards,

    John M. Drake
    THANK YOU!

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    dennis kucinich is very VERY anti-freedom. I have never seen anything truly free come of his claims and desires. He wants a perfect socialist utopia that cannot and will not ever happen. Dennis Kucinich is not Ron Paul and is not even close to being what Ron Paul is. Kucinich would be better off in the American Communist Party than in a party that respects individual liberty. Dennis Kucinich would NEVER EVER get my vote.



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    Why Kucinich is worse than Giuliani.

    Kucinich wants to ban our guns, send our military all over the world for "peace keeping" under UN authority, dramatically expand the federal government for cradle to grave entitlements and unilaterally dismantle our nations defense system. So while he isn't a war monger his policies would bankrupt us and lead to a war that we most certainly could not win. At least Giuliani would keep a strong defense so we might actually have a fighting chance to save ourselves from the mess he might cause.

    This doesn't even address his push for a completely open borders policy that would destroy and bankrupt the country on its own. Kucinich is a one world government socialist that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the constitution or the principles this country was founded on unless they fit his socialist authoritarian agenda. That's not what I would call an "honest man". If it came down to Kucinich and Giuliani in a general election I really might vote for the Ghoul. It would hurt but I might do it.

    As for Kucinich being a friend of Ron's, I've got friends I would never vote for too. I'm sure he's a nice guy but that's where it ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenHawk View Post
    Kucinich wants to ban our guns, send our military all over the world for "peace keeping" under UN authority, dramatically expand the federal government for cradle to grave entitlements and unilaterally dismantle our nations defense system. So while he isn't a war monger his policies would bankrupt us and lead to a war that we most certainly could not win. At least Giuliani would keep a strong defense so we might actually have a fighting chance to save ourselves from the mess he might cause.

    This doesn't even address his push for a completely open borders policy that would destroy and bankrupt the country on its own. Kucinich is a one world government socialist that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the constitution or the principles this country was founded on unless they fit his socialist authoritarian agenda. That's not what I would call an "honest man". If it came down to Kucinich and Giuliani in a general election I really might vote for the Ghoul. It would hurt but I might do it.

    As for Kucinich being a friend of Ron's, I've got friends I would never vote for too. I'm sure he's a nice guy but that's where it ends.
    Giuliani thinks gun control lowers crime.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021100766.html

    Giuliani wants to go to war with Iran.

    Giuliani wants to continue the war with Iraq.

    Giuliani supports the same "peace" missions Kucinich supports.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200709...tic-peace.html

    Giuliani = Dennis Kucinich + Iraq war + Iran war + domestic wiretapping (Kucinich opposed) + mafia connections + Patriot Act + Homeland inSecurity + 9/11 grandstanding + a bad combover + a party dress.

    Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends because they agree on a lot of issues! Opposition to domestic wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the wars in Iraq and Iran, willingness for new 9/11 investigation etc.

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Giuliani thinks gun control lowers crime.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021100766.html

    Giuliani wants to go to war with Iran.

    Giuliani wants to continue the war with Iraq.

    Giuliani supports the same "peace" missions Kucinich supports.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200709...tic-peace.html

    Giuliani = Dennis Kucinich + Iraq war + Iran war + domestic wiretapping (Kucinich opposed) + mafia connections + Patriot Act + Homeland inSecurity + 9/11 grandstanding + a bad combover + a party dress.

    Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends because they agree on a lot of issues! Opposition to domestic wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the wars in Iraq and Iran, willingness for new 9/11 investigation etc.

    Regards,

    John M. Drake
    You don't need to convince me that Giuliani is bad. The whole point was that as bad as Giuliani is Kucinich is worse. I was using Giuliani to smear Kucinch not trying to praise Giuliani by comparing him to Kucinich. I know Giuliani's views on gun control and other issues and Kucinich would screw us in similar ways but leave a worthless military that couldn't defend us from all the people who hate us for all our "peace keeping". Being against warrantless wire tapping won't mean jack if we can't defend ourselves because our military has been dismantled.

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    the thing is Ron Paul is like Mr Teflon , and you need that when barbs are being flung in your direction

    Kucinich has been known to say the wrong things , he was sunk by the whole UFO thing.He's not teflon , he will slip up and be fed to the media dogs ala the 'Dean Scream'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

    Regards,

    John M. Drake
    I would vote for a bucket of "puke" before I would vote for Dennis Kucinich. A socialist is a socialist, is a socialist. Thank God the Ron Paul campaign will decide if Kucinich will participate in the march and the decision will not be left to a bunch of Kucinich stooges posting on this thread.

    IMO this march is all about the Constitution -- period. Socialists and neocon fascists are not welcome.

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    From reading this topic, I feel there are many warmongers who are hiding among us here, and I do not think this is the right place for them.

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