Wired: Snowden: The Worst NSA Revelations Are Yet to Come

[Thor]

Edward Snowden - The most wanted man in the world

The message arrives on my “clean machine,” a MacBook Air loaded only with a sophisticated encryption package. “Change in plans,” my contact says. “Be in the lobby of the Hotel ______ by 1 pm. Bring a book and wait for ES to find you.” ¶ ES is Edward Snowden, the most wanted man in the world. For almost nine months, I have been trying to set up an interview with him—traveling to Berlin, Rio de Janeiro twice, and New York multiple times to talk with the handful of his confidants who can arrange a meeting. Among other things, I want to answer a burning question: What drove Snowden to leak hundreds of thousands of top-secret documents, revelations that have laid bare the vast scope of the government's domestic surveillance programs? In May I received an email from his lawyer, ACLU attorney Ben Wizner, confirming that Snowden would meet me in Moscow and let me hang out and chat with him for what turned out to be three solid days over several weeks. It is the most time that any journalist has been allowed to spend with him since he arrived in Russia in June 2013. But the finer details of the rendezvous remain shrouded in mystery. I landed in Moscow without knowing precisely where or when Snowden and I would actually meet. Now, at last, the details are set.

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Lot's more at the link....

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/

Good read, for sure....

[thoughtomator]

"blackmailing Supreme Court justices" which IMO has almost certainly happened is a good candidate for "worst yet"

[Anti Federalist]

And not a $#@! will be given...

[Thor]

And not a $#@! will be given...

Unfortunately, by and large, that is correct...

www.maidsafe.net

[phill4paul]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

[Thor]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

He can't ....

Meanwhile, Snowden will continue to haunt the US, the unpredictable impact of his actions resonating at home and around the world. The documents themselves, however, are out of his control. Snowden no longer has access to them; he says he didn’t bring them with him to Russia. Copies are now in the hands of three groups: First Look Media, set up by journalist Glenn Greenwald and American documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras, the two original recipients of the documents; The Guardian newspaper, which also received copies before the British government pressured it into transferring physical custody (but not ownership) to The New York Times; and Barton Gellman, a writer for The Washington Post. It’s highly unlikely that the current custodians will ever return the documents to the NSA.

[phill4paul]

He can't ....

I'm talking about those that are holding it not specifically Snowden. Every bit of it should have been dumped for public consumption and parsing from the get go I.M.H.O. With holding the info is no better than the government hiding it in the first place.

[Anti Federalist]

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

[Lucille]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

All of it!

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/ne...ed-reveals-new

Snowden's explanation that he left clues so NSA could determine how many documents he actually took with him (they still don't know), and more potential confirmation that there is at least one other NSA leaker out there.

[Thor]

I'm talking about those that are holding it not specifically Snowden. Every bit of it should have been dumped for public consumption and parsing from the get go I.M.H.O. With holding the info is no better than the government hiding it in the first place.

I agree, to a point. It would be nice to get it all out. But it is also fun to watch them spin a story, only to have more info released to show the spin was a lie as well. Digging the grave deeper. So I see both sides... pump and dump, and cat and mouse.

[Origanalist]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

You wrote exactly what I was thinking. Drop the whole bomb, maybe it will be load enough to wake up the sleepers. Maybe.

[Thor]

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

“It’s like the boiling frog,” Snowden tells me. “You get exposed to a little bit of evil, a little bit of rule-breaking, a little bit of dishonesty, a little bit of deceptiveness, a little bit of disservice to the public interest, and you can brush it off, you can come to justify it. But if you do that, it creates a slippery slope that just increases over time, and by the time you’ve been in 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, you’ve seen it all and it doesn’t shock you. And so you see it as normal. And that’s the problem, that’s what the Clapper event was all about. He saw deceiving the American people as what he does, as his job, as something completely ordinary. And he was right that he wouldn’t be punished for it, because he was revealed as having lied under oath and he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist for it. It says a lot about the system and a lot about our leaders.” Snowden decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive.

Amen to that. How many more will wake up and "decided it was time to hop out of the water before he too was boiled alive."

[Lord Xar]

"blackmailing Supreme Court justices" which IMO has almost certainly happened is a good candidate for "worst yet"

How do you think they got Obamacare passed? They have dirt on that one dude who said "it's not a tax, but a fee...".

[Anti Federalist]

I agree, to a point. It would be nice to get it all out. But it is also fun to watch them spin a story, only to have more info released to show the spin was a lie as well. Digging the grave deeper. So I see both sides... pump and dump, and cat and mouse.

I was of the "dump it all" school of thought as well, but I see your point.

Dump some, make the system lie and spin, then dump some more, proving them liars, and so on.

Worth it doing it that way if only on the off chance that it gives the miserable sluts ulcers.

[Anti Federalist]

How do you think they got Obamacare passed? They have dirt on that one dude who said "it's not a tax, but a fee...".

AmeriKa...

[helmuth_hubener]

www.maidsafe.net

Was not aware of this project. Thanks.

[Lucille]

I agree, to a point. It would be nice to get it all out. But it is also fun to watch them spin a story, only to have more info released to show the spin was a lie as well. Digging the grave deeper. So I see both sides... pump and dump, and cat and mouse.

I'm with Arthur:

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...le-please.html

The manner of disclosure adopted by Lord Greenwald & Friends, a model of a polite, rules-abiding challenge to authority, has stopped exactly nothing. To the contrary, the primary effect of the disclosures has been to normalize increasingly pervasive, all-encompassing surveillance, and even to make it "legal."

[KEEF]

I agree, to a point. It would be nice to get it all out. But it is also fun to watch them spin a story, only to have more info released to show the spin was a lie as well. Digging the grave deeper. So I see both sides... pump and dump, and cat and mouse.

I agree, but at the same time with our pop cultured-10 seconds of sustainable attention society, if these big pieces of information don't get out ASAP, then in a couple months people will be like Snowden who? What is the NSA?

Dear Mr. Snowden and/or whomever is handling these documents, please release them before the new fall T.V. program schedule is released just so to distract the world with Honey Boo Boo.

I do hope that whatever this big release is coming out, that it is huge... talking big enough to wake up people. Maybe it will be those censored pages from the 9/11 Commission Report... here is hoping.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

[jllundqu]

Unless and until I see the smoking gun that has oft been referredt to.... I call BS. If they had something truly damaging, it would have been put out already. This stinks of someone who wants to remain relevant and in the spotlight.

Love you, Ed, but either you have the goods or you're bluffing for publicity.

[Anti Federalist]

Unless and until I see the smoking gun that has oft been referredt to.... I call BS. If they had something truly damaging, it would have been put out already. This stinks of someone who wants to remain relevant and in the spotlight.

Love you, Ed, but either you have the goods or you're bluffing for publicity.

In the article and in the thread, it is stated why he can do nothing about it.

The documents themselves, however, are out of his control. Snowden no longer has access to them; he says he didn’t bring them with him to Russia.

[Schifference]

In the article and in the thread, it is stated why he can do nothing about it.

Maybe I have seen to much TV but if I were Snowden I would have made a copy and have it stashed in a place that only I knew its whereabouts.

[puppetmaster]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

no $#@!....cmon.....not going to release the names to protect the victim.... yada yada

[tangent4ronpaul]

Does anyone want to ask Bamford anything. Don't know if he will answer questions and I suspect he entered into a secrecy agreement re: access to the archive, but I do know the guy. He can be slow to respond - travels a lot.

I've been personally wondering about EO 12333 vs patriot act and if overturning the latter would change anything at all. I was planning on writing him with that question and also wondering if Ed had any thoughts on the subject...

-t

[MaxPower]

I can see both sides of the "release-it-all-at-once" vs. "release-it-piecemeal-to-demonstrate-the-government's-dishonesty" debate, but I will say that the latter is looking to me right now a bit like it falls prey to a "boiling-frog" trap of the sort Edward mentioned in his interview. If they had revealed everything-- including all the things the government denied, then had to fess up to-- right off the bat, perhaps it actually would have shocked the public into drastic action, whereas the piecemeal approach has made some people who couldn't have handled it all at once at the beginning accustomed to rationalizing the State's criminality and dishonesty step-by-step.

[jkob]

they need to release the information when they get it, I don't trust these other people. If there is information that could shake the foundations of this dictatorship then you release the information.

[TheTexan]

Unfortunately, by and large, that is correct...

www.maidsafe.net

But, then how would the government shut down illegal websites? Such as child pornography? Also, terrorists. And drugs too while we're at it.

Since I'm assuming that you're against the sexual abuse of children, it's probably safe to assume that you agree that this technology should just be made illegal. Or, better yet, the President should make an executive order declaring it illegal under any of a number of existing laws.

Unless you hate children and you support terrorism??

[Thor]

But, then how would the government shut down illegal websites? Such as child pornography? Also, terrorists. And drugs too while we're at it.

Since I'm assuming that you're against the sexual abuse of children, it's probably safe to assume that you agree that this technology should just be made illegal. Or, better yet, the President should make an executive order declaring it illegal under any of a number of existing laws.

Unless you hate children and you support terrorism??

It is for the children... I agree. We should all be under the all seeing eye at all times. We cannot be trusted to think for ourselves. We are sheeple in pen with the flock guardian watching over us. We could eat the wrong weed and .... die! OMG, save me.

[NewRightLibertarian]

I was of the "dump it all" school of thought as well, but I see your point.

Dump some, make the system lie and spin, then dump some more, proving them liars, and so on.

Worth it doing it that way if only on the off chance that it gives the miserable sluts ulcers.

Snowden went about it in a very slick way. I'm just not sure about Greenwald and his new media venture being on the up and up.

[Lucille]

Snowden went about it in a very slick way. I'm just not sure about Greenwald and his new media venture being on the up and up.

Giving it to Greenwald was a huge mistake. He should have given it to Wikileaks.