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    Government Takeover: White House Forces Obamacare Insurers To Cover Unpaid Patients At A Loss

    Government Takeover: White House Forces Obamacare Insurers To Cover Unpaid Patients At A Loss


    Forbes.com
    Dec. 14, 2014


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    So instead of actually fixing the problem, the administration is retroactively attempting to force insurers to hand out free health care—at a loss—to those whom the White House has rendered uninsured. If Obamacare wasn’t a government takeover of the health insurance industry, then what is it now?
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    Just a note. This is NOT Corporatism. This is Socialism.



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    Well in general it seems to me like it's specifically fascism & I didn't know that this kind of thing could get this hosed up. People have to learn the hard way I guess. Oh, wait, will people ever learn?

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    Problem > Reaction > Solution

    What? The health care underwriters can't stay above water and keep going broke? Mommie Government, save us!!

    Um, that's like expecting the gang that robbed you to take you to the hospital, people...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Why should ins. cos. care? Barry's Big Fascist Medical System ensured them a guaranteed a profit courtesy the (dwindling) US taxpayers.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    I think a bailout is inevitable. The gov't has forced insurers to take on patients with pre-existing conditions, which is a guaranteed loss. They no longer sign you up on the premise that you *might* get sick, but that you *are* sick and someone is gonna have to pay for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    The White House is laying out plans to bailout insurance companies to help offset the loss of revenue and profit that the industry is experiencing under ObamaCare.


    Healthcare Bailout on the Way


    The New American
    03 December 2013
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    Yeats was right.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Yeats was right.
    This time?

    "W. B. Yeats was not only a great poet, but perhaps the only great man in the world."
    --Isabel Paterson
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



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    And the Republicans will oppose the bailout and Obama will say they want to see people die. The sheep will agree with him instead of blaming him for this mess.

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    If I were the Republicans I'd attach the repeal of Obamacare to the eventual bailout. It's kind of a tough spot to be in because you don't want a bailout but you also don't want to give the Democrats a reason to push single-payer.

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    Currently, taxpayers pay for treatment of uninsured people. Or the insurance payments from those who do have their own coverage. Hospitals are not allowed to turn them away. That is why many uninsured go to the emergency room for treatment (which costs more than going to a doctor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Currently, taxpayers pay for treatment of uninsured people. Or the insurance payments from those who do have their own coverage. Hospitals are not allowed to turn them away. That is why many uninsured go to the emergency room for treatment (which costs more than going to a doctor).
    None of those people will be covered now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    This time?

    "W. B. Yeats was not only a great poet, but perhaps the only great man in the world."
    --Isabel Paterson
    That's the one.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    None of those people will be covered now .
    Intended consequences. Don't like your doctor-health care? Tough $#@!. Can't find a hospital within fifty miles? Tough $#@!. Health care for everyone! Lolli-$#@!ing pops and rainbow stew!
    "The Patriarch"

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    I was informed by the office manager that ER visits will no longer be dischargable under bankruptcy either.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Just a note. This is NOT Corporatism. This is Socialism.
    I'm not concerned about the latest euphemism for theft. Stealing is stealing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Desmond View Post
    Well in general it seems to me like it's specifically fascism & I didn't know that this kind of thing could get this hosed up. People have to learn the hard way I guess. Oh, wait, will people ever learn?
    Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, isn't this Fascism?
    Too bad our elected officials are not as aggressively trying to reduce the federal deficit as they are trying to strip us of our constitutional rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz View Post
    Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, isn't this Fascism?
    Fascists tend to be strongly Nationalist and the Obama Administration is destroying National Sovereignty and promoting Globalism.



    Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, the first fascist movements emerged in Italy around World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to communism, socialism, liberal democracy and, in some cases, traditional right-wing conservatism.
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    Watch those 90 trillion unfunded liabilities skyrocket, how high will it go? Barry is so damn lucky, he has a democratic House; because a GOP house would have impeached his ass months ago. I know many in the sheeple world, believe we have a GOP house because that's what FAUX tells us, but you guys know as well as I do; the House is controlled by socialist RINO's. You know who they are. You'll have to pry their dead hands not from a gun, but from some 80,000 or 90,000 bribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Fascists tend to be strongly Nationalist and the Obama Administration is destroying National Sovereignty and promoting Globalism.



    Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, the first fascist movements emerged in Italy around World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to communism, socialism, liberal democracy and, in some cases, traditional right-wing conservatism.
    Obama fits some of the earlier definitions of Fascism (as, essentially, totalitarian corporatism) to a "T"



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