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Thread: 2016 hopefuls may skip Nevada caucus because it's "rigged" for Rand Paul

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    2016 hopefuls may skip Nevada caucus because it's "rigged" for Rand Paul

    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Interesting that no campaign is named though.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/politic...evada-s-caucus

    Several likely GOP presidential campaigns are threatening to skip the Nevada GOP caucus because they fear it’s rigged for a Rand Paul win, said Republican insiders concerned the Silver State could lose its clout as one of four early voting states.

    As a result, some campaigns are pressing behind the scenes for the Legislature to drop caucuses run by the political parties in favor of a government-staged state primary in February.

    “A number of presidential campaigns are waiting to see what happens in the Legislature before deciding whether to engage in Nevada or not,” said a top GOP operative. “There is real concern that the state party will either be incompetent — or use incompetence as an excuse to rig it for Rand Paul.

    much more sour grapes at link
    Ah I get it. If a non-establishment guy wins with real people showing up, it's "rigged". Amazing the crap these people come up with. I hope NV folks are watching these behind the scenes moves to actually rig it for an establishment candidate. Primaries are easily rigged at the voting machine. Can't rig caucuses though.
    Last edited by devil21; 05-03-2015 at 09:49 PM.
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    just a bit different than the last few times Ron went for it. they ripped up Robert's to stop his father.

    edit: wish we had the bunny ranch endorsement again, but they went w/Hillary this time.
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    From a couple days ago...

    Something important is happening in Nevada. And it’s bad for Rand Paul

    A couple years ago, Nevada seemed to be Rand Paul's ace in the hole in the 2016 presidential race. That's looking less and less likely now.

    For two reasons: First, the Ron Paul supporters who basically took over the state party in 2012 have largely been replaced, and now, the state GOP is moving toward replacing the Paul-friendly caucus process with a regular primary.

    Here's David M. Drucker reporting at the Washington Examiner:
    There are two bills pending in the Republican-controlled legislature, including one in the Assembly carried by Speaker John Hambrick. If passed and signed by GOP Gov. Brian Sandoval, Nevada Republicans voting in the 2016 primary would pull the lever at the polls as they do in a general election, rather than caucusing in groups similar to how the primary is conducted in Iowa. Republican insiders supportive of the legislation are expressing confidence that it will be enacted.

    "There are pros and cons to everything," Nevada GOP Chairman Michael McDonald told the Washington Examiner on Friday. But McDonald said he is pushing for a normal primary because he and many other Silver State Republicans are unhappy with how the 2012 caucuses went down.

    "It was a total disaster the way it was handled. It was an embarrassment for the state," said McDonald, a veteran state GOP activist now in his second term as chairman.
    Our own Katie Zezima has more details on the possible changes. Another potential change is opening the process to non-Republicans -- something that would have a less-clear impact on Paul's campaign.

    But getting back to the primary question (so to speak), just how does this affect Paul? Let us count the ways.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...urt-rand-paul/

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    Why would they bother changing to a primary when they can just shut down the convention and declare whomever they wish to be the Republican candidate?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    They are mainly pissed off that the delegation voted Ron Paul at the RNC roll call, and that they had to form a shadow party for Mitt Victory.

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    Another potential change is opening the process to non-Republicans
    Um ....what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Why would they bother changing to a primary when they can just shut down the convention and declare whomever they wish to be the Republican candidate?
    Pretty much says it all.....
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    Florida is rigged for Jeb.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Why would they bother changing to a primary when they can just shut down the convention and declare whomever they wish to be the Republican candidate?
    Right. Decorum is acceptable while the outcome is also. Or, make the rules as you go.
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    The inclusion of the term "likely GOP presidential candidates" does give away that Jeb is one of them. Probably Graham and the rest of the overtly neocon stooges too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Um ....what?
    That is strange. Dems can vote in both contests??
    Last edited by devil21; 05-03-2015 at 10:27 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    I have said it many times, but it completely boggles my mind that the government has any say whatsoever in the internal politics of political parties and their processes.

    I am unaware of any other democratic nation that has such an incestual bond.
    In New Zealand:
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    The DMV is a private non-profit
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    Business licenses aren't a thing
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    They will try to set it on fire if they cant have it. If they change Nevada to a primary I will make it my mission to get everyone I know involved in the primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    They will try to set it on fire if they cant have it. If they change Nevada to a primary I will make it my mission to get everyone I know involved in the primary.
    my mission won't change either way....just my tactics.
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    But I assume the Nevada caucus votes will still count. So "rigged" is suddenly bad, if it's for a Paul?

    Now I see how this is designed to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I have said it many times, but it completely boggles my mind that the government has any say whatsoever in the internal politics of political parties and their processes.

    I am unaware of any other democratic nation that has such an incestual bond.
    It migh boggle your mind a lot more to know how much influence over the government the political parties have. Districting and ballot layout are on the parties. In Tennessee, they once had the Republican candidate, the Democratic candidate, and all others were listed as independent candidates. So Ron Paul was listed as one choice among many, including the socialist, communist, and Green Party candidates. The state didn't do that. The parties did.

    Both government and parties need more accountability.

    And do you ever notice that caucuses are open to anyone, and almost alway yield the best candidate? I think the face-to-face discussion is more effective because those people go home and talk to their friends and about what convinced them.
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    So nevada will lose its clout if it elects rand? Kinda like the same way they say iowa will lose its clout of ron won the iowa caucus? Hahaha



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    I think more states should caucus. It is much less corrupt than an open election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    I think more states should caucus. It is much less corrupt than an open election.
    I agree, we should all push for our state parties to have caucuses, in my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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    I seem to remember Maine and all the crap that went on there, yet they let that rigging slide. It seems that it's okay to rig a poll against a Paul candidate, but wrong to "rig" it in favor of one.

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    There's a huge push by the establishment to switch Minnesota from a caucus to a primary also.

    - ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Landon View Post
    There's a huge push by the establishment to switch Minnesota from a caucus to a primary also.

    - ML
    How influential is the liberty movement in the MN GOP right now? I know we lost positions in IA and NV, but haven't heard much about MN except that most of the delegates in 2012 were liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    I think more states should caucus. It is much less corrupt than an open election.
    And it's not just about corruption: not even mostly IMO.

    Participating in a caucus requires more effort than pulling the lever in a primary. Hence, only the most passionate people participate. Passion tends to coincide with knowledge (if you know very little about politics you're less likely to care about it). Hence, you get a more informed electorate with caucuses than with primaries, which benefits us. This is why Ron consistently did better in caucuses.

    Yes, we should be working hard to keep/implement caucuses wherever we can, federal or state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    I agree, we should all push for our state parties to have caucuses, in my opinion.
    Agreed. I see no reason that tax payers should have to pay for internal party affairs; let the parties caucus and pay for the costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    they had to form a shadow party for Mitt Victory.
    Huh?



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    funny because it used to be called being the current leader in that state when you have the most supporters.. now its being rigged? okay..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Um ....what?
    Remember how McDaniel got screwed by the establishment in the recent US Senate primary race in MS? They were passing out fliers that lied about McDaniel to many black congregations (to get dems involved) and even payed people to do it. Some of these additional voters had already voted in the dem primary. Rand should get on Ingraham's or Levin's program and discuss it sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Huh?
    After liberty people took over Clark County GOP, they did not recognize the presumptive nominee while Ron Paul still had an active campaign. Thus Mitt's campaign and the national party could not use the state party to set up their fundraising apparatus during the last months of the primary season. What they did was set up a shadow party organization that was not affiliated with CCGOP to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    How influential is the liberty movement in the MN GOP right now? I know we lost positions in IA and NV, but haven't heard much about MN except that most of the delegates in 2012 were liberty.
    Around my area of MN, it's not very influential anymore. The rest of MN, I'm not sure.

    - ML

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    The corruption goes both ways. In the district the represented Montgomery county, TN, the state Dems removed a very conservative Democratic candidate who won the primary. He was replaced with the incumbent liberal on the state ballot.
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    Excluding the delegate strategy, why is it such a sure thing that Rand would win there?

    In 2012, its popular vote was:

    Mitt Romney - 16,486 - 50.02%
    Newt Gingrich - 6,956 - 21.10%
    Ron Paul - 6,175 - 18.73%
    Rick Santorum - 3,277 - 9.94%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...n_Nevada,_2012

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