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    President Trump Asks Dr. Rand Paul to Join Task Force on Reopening Economy



    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator and physician Rand Paul (R-KY) announced that President Donald Trump has appointed him to a bipartisan congressional task force that will help consider the safest ways and best timing to reopen the economy and get Americans back to work as soon as possible.

    “I am pleased to be joining the bipartisan task force on reopening the economy. Together with President Trump, we will get this economy roaring once again. We need to let Americans get safely back to work and bring prosperity to this nation anew,” said Dr. Paul.

    Along with his continued efforts to ensure a strong and wide-ranging federal response to the novel coronavirus pandemic, including getting more masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE) to our medical professionals and working for expanded and faster testing, Dr. Paul has also been volunteering at a local Kentucky hospital to relieve other physicians and work with and encourage COVID-19-positive patients.
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    Another example of how Rand maintains a good working relationship with the most powerful person in politics. This is the best chance for liberty to advance in my opinion, by maintaining a position of influencer. While I wish that Rand would have beat Trump in the primary, I also need to deal with reality and this is more productive than having no influence like Amash.
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    Economic Freedom Zones, with luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Economic Freedom Zones, with luck.
    I am declaring my driveway an economic freedom zone and tax haven . No way I am paying taxes on the ribs I sold last week without permission from the health dept

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Another example of how Rand maintains a good working relationship with the most powerful person in politics. This is the best chance for liberty to advance in my opinion, by maintaining a position of influencer. While I wish that Rand would have beat Trump in the primary, I also need to deal with reality and this is more productive than having no influence like Amash.
    No, incorrect, wrong.

    A few points....

    Should Rand keep good relations with Trump? Sure, yes, why not. Besides, Rand's base is also Trump's base.

    Should Rand confuse access with actual power and compromise away principle for psuedo-influence with Trump? No.

    Should Justin Amash go against Trump when Trump does bad things? Yes

    Should Justin Amash actively rail against Trump and try to oppose him on everything all the time? No.

    Should everyone act like Thomas Massie who has been the perfect example of keeping one's principles intact, maintaining good relations with Trump, and having good messaging? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, incorrect, wrong.
    If you're going to be insulting enough to tell someone they're flat out wrong--in triplicate--the least you could do is disagree with that person in some substantive way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Economic Freedom Zones, with luck.
    Make the whole country an Economic Freedom Zone so that you're not subsidizing failure in just certain portions with low GDP, or some other crappy excuse for being a loser who voted for Republican & Democrat administrators. .

    Equal treatment under the law, and pray it's good treatment for a change. Anything else is wealth spread aka socialism.

    I believe that Rand has learned his lesson since his horrible '16 campaign as a "Detroit Republican" whatever the hell that is.
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    Apparently Trump asked every Republican senator, except Mitt Romney, to be on this task force. Not a good look that Rand put a PR out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Apparently Trump asked every Republican senator, except Mitt Romney, to be on this task force. Not a good look that Rand put a PR out.
    How many were appointed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, incorrect, wrong.

    A few points....

    Should Rand keep good relations with Trump? Sure, yes, why not. Besides, Rand's base is also Trump's base.

    Should Rand confuse access with actual power and compromise away principle for psuedo-influence with Trump? No.

    Should Justin Amash go against Trump when Trump does bad things? Yes

    Should Justin Amash actively rail against Trump and try to oppose him on everything all the time? No.

    Should everyone act like Thomas Massie who has been the perfect example of keeping one's principles intact, maintaining good relations with Trump, and having good messaging? Yes.
    I don't disagree except your comment on Rand. I don't think Rand is compromising his principles, if that is what you are saying.

    Amash is certainly welcome to go agaisnt Trump but I don't think it is helping him win friends and influence people. It looks to me that he has made himself an island.

    If Rand disagrees with Trump, people respect his opinion. I don't think many look at Amash the same way.

    Massie is holding to principles but still is respected I think.

    Just my point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Economic Freedom Zones, with luck.
    This

    The whole country should be an economic freedom zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomtheTinker View Post
    This

    The whole country should be an economic freedom zone.
    Five point plan:
    1. Make all Federal Licensing Recommended.
    2. Legalize Competing Currencies & Commodity Credit Unions
    3. Suspend Income taxes on first $200,000 in exchange for increase in Chinese (or all) tariffs.
    4. Prevent Corporations (People) from owning each other.
    5. Restore bankruptcy protections for student loans.
    Last edited by Gumba of Liberty; 04-16-2020 at 08:42 PM.

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    So, we need a government "Task Force" to make detailed plans on how they're going to stop doing that which they had no lawful authority to start doing in the first place? Typical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, incorrect, wrong.

    A few points....

    Should Rand keep good relations with Trump? Sure, yes, why not. Besides, Rand's base is also Trump's base.

    Should Rand confuse access with actual power and compromise away principle for psuedo-influence with Trump? No.

    Should Justin Amash go against Trump when Trump does bad things? Yes

    Should Justin Amash actively rail against Trump and try to oppose him on everything all the time? No.

    Should everyone act like Thomas Massie who has been the perfect example of keeping one's principles intact, maintaining good relations with Trump, and having good messaging? Yes.
    "Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @RepThomasMassie , a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against the new Save Our Workers Bill in Congress. He just wants the publicity. He can’t stop it, only delay, which is both dangerous......"

    Is this what you mean by retaining good relations with Trump cause I don't see it. It sounds like you made something up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Five point plan:
    1. Make all Federal Licensing Recommended.
    2. Legalize Competing Currencies & Commodity Credit Unions
    3. Suspend Income taxes on first $200,000 in exchange for increase in Chinese (or all) tariffs.
    4. Prevent Corporations (People) from owning each other.
    5. Restore bankruptcy protections for student loans.
    That's a pretty dang good plan that you've got there. It'd be nice if they could cut spending and reduce the size of fedgov by about 3/4 for starters.
    The resulting cut in subsidies to the States might likely trim them down too.

    Basically, you'll have to give the fedgov less tax dollars, that they send a few of back to your state. So the money stays in the the State and boosts the economy there with no fedgov middleman taking a cut..

    Who knows where our tax dollars go, once they get to the District of Criminals?
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    "Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @RepThomasMassie , a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against the new Save Our Workers Bill in Congress. He just wants the publicity. He can’t stop it, only delay, which is both dangerous......"

    Is this what you mean by retaining good relations with Trump cause I don't see it. It sounds like you made something up.
    Massie talked to Trump on the phone before and left him a message after that he is a big supporter of his and wants to have good relations with him. I think that was the point. I'll bet Trump has some good words to say about him at some point in the future. Rand will straighten Trump out eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Massie talked to Trump on the phone before and left him a message after that he is a big supporter of his and wants to have good relations with him. I think that was the point. I'll bet Trump has some good words to say about him at some point in the future. Rand will straighten Trump out eventually.
    Hopefully, since Massie has defended Trump before when Trump was somehow right about something while not breaking his word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I don't disagree except your comment on Rand. I don't think Rand is compromising his principles, if that is what you are saying.
    He isn't compromising on this issue of course. But he is hesitant to go against Trump, even politely, on some serious matters... Kavanaugh and Pompeo being the two biggest examples.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    it is helping him win friends and influence people. It looks to me that he has made himself an island.

    If Rand disagrees with Trump, people respect his opinion. I don't think many look at Amash the same way.

    Massie is holding to principles but still is respected I think.
    Exactly. If one is to oppose Trump there is a way to do it without shooting oneself in the foot. Thomas has this figured out. Justin must enjoy losing toes. And Rand is to worried about access most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Rand will straighten Trump out eventually.
    Doubtful. While Rand and Trump see eye to eye on some very important things, Trump marches to his own drum beat a lot of the time (sometimes a good thing, sometimes not). The reality is that he is just inconsistent and unpredictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    So, we need a government "Task Force" to make detailed plans on how they're going to stop doing that which they had no lawful authority to start doing in the first place? Typical.
    This.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Doubtful. While Rand and Trump see eye to eye on some very important things, Trump marches to his own drum beat a lot of the time (sometimes a good thing, sometimes not). The reality is that he is just inconsistent and unpredictable.
    Trump had totally sold this country out. He's not really even president any more. Dr. Fauci accomplished what Senate Democrats could not.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, incorrect, wrong.

    A few points....

    Should Rand keep good relations with Trump? Sure, yes, why not. Besides, Rand's base is also Trump's base.

    Should Rand confuse access with actual power and compromise away principle for psuedo-influence with Trump? No.

    Should Justin Amash go against Trump when Trump does bad things? Yes

    Should Justin Amash actively rail against Trump and try to oppose him on everything all the time? No.

    Should everyone act like Thomas Massie who has been the perfect example of keeping one's principles intact, maintaining good relations with Trump, and having good messaging? Yes.
    I hope like hell you do not approach your cockpit management and aviation skill set improvement tasks with same mixture of hubris and arrogance as you do in voicing your political opinions.

    That's a good way to get you and bunch of other folks killed, if you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Trump had totally sold this country out. He's not really even president any more. Dr. Fauci accomplished what Senate Democrats could not.
    Very interesting, Mission Accomplished a big idea, a New World Order ~Poppy Bush. . Fauci & FEMA are in the drivers seat now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    How many were appointed?
    All of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I hope like hell you do not approach your cockpit management and aviation skill set improvement tasks with same mixture of hubris and arrogance as you do in voicing your political opinions.

    That's a good way to get you and bunch of other folks killed, if you do.
    Uh no, of course not. But then again there isn't anything really political about the engine start sequence or the minimums on the approach plate now is there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post

    Regarding politics though I do have the training and experience to know what works and what doesn't work.

    So do I. Little bones, here and there, to keep them coming back for more.

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    Check out CCTelander's post:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...47#post6941147
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    So, we need a government "Task Force" to make detailed plans on how they're going to stop doing that which they had no lawful authority to start doing in the first place? Typical.
    Excatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    That's a pretty dang good plan that you've got there. It'd be nice if they could cut spending and reduce the size of fedgov by about 3/4 for starters.
    The resulting cut in subsidies to the States might likely trim them down too.

    Basically, you'll have to give the fedgov less tax dollars, that they send a few of back to your state. So the money stays in the the State and boosts the economy there with no fedgov middleman taking a cut..

    Who knows where our tax dollars go, once they get to the District of Criminals?
    Agreed 💯 but at this point I think cutting spending is hopeless. They are going to hyperinflate the debt away so we need to focus on getting rid of mandates and building ourselves lifeboats to get off the USS Debt Dollar. If you notice all the things I proposed are free or “revenue neutral”

    1. Make all Federal Licensing Recommended = Free
    2. Legalize Competing Currencies & Commodity Credit Unions = Free
    3. Suspend Income taxes on first $200,000 in exchange for increase in Chinese (or all) tariffs = Revenue Neutral (I want to cut but that won’t happen)
    4. Prevent Corporations (People) from owning each other = Free
    5. Restore bankruptcy protections for student loans = Free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Agreed �� but at this point I think cutting spending is hopeless. They are going to hyperinflate the debt away so we need to focus on getting rid of mandates and building ourselves lifeboats to get off the USS Debt Dollar. If you notice all the things I proposed are free or “revenue neutral”

    1. Make all Federal Licensing Recommended = Free
    2. Legalize Competing Currencies & Commodity Credit Unions = Free
    3. Suspend Income taxes on first $200,000 in exchange for increase in Chinese (or all) tariffs = Revenue Neutral (I want to cut but that won’t happen)
    4. Prevent Corporations (People) from owning each other = Free
    5. Restore bankruptcy protections for student loans = Free
    Good list.

    We must of course lift the "State of National Emergency" for the country that began the domino effect for states & locales to justify shutting 'non-essentials' down. States then will feel the pressure to start opening things back up, too. We gotta get America open for business, now. Obviously never should've happened by writ in the first place.

    Throw a corporate tax suspension in there too - for at least the rest of 2020 - especially for those businesses deemed 'non-essential'. Either replace with tariffs as you recommend, or just allow the budget deficit to grow "temporarily". What's another trillion or so during an economic crisis, right?

    I've heard grumblings of the lawyers beginning to lick their chops thinking that they're going to cash in by suing businesses that reopen causing people to get the illness by increased social interaction. That should not be allowed, period. Call it legal lawsuit gouging or something.
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