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    Cop Block sued for $1.35M by kop

    $1.3M Traffic Stop? Virginia state trooper sues blogger over online claims

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/13...online-claims/

    A self-styled police watchdog who got a $75 ticket from a Virginia state trooper in 2012 is now facing a $1.3 million lawsuit -- after he posted the encounter on the Internet and accused the cop of molesting him.

    On May 26, 2012, Memorial Day weekend, Nathan Cox of Mechanicsville, Va., was driving in the southbound lane of Interstate 295 just after 3 p.m. when Officer Melanie McKenney of the Virginia State Police pulled him over for failing to display his front license plate.

    The events that transpired next -- including Cox's posting of the ordeal to his blog "Virginia Cop Block" -- would result in a $1.35 million lawsuit against him.

    The traffic stop was contentious from the beginning. McKenney immediately ordered Cox, who has a concealed weapons permit, from his vehicle, while Cox began recording the incident on his cellphone.

    "It took him almost a mile before his vehicle pulled over and, of course, we're always looking for things that may be unusual because you never know what you're going to get during a traffic stop," McKenney told FoxNews.com Monday.

    "I'm approaching, looking in the windows, and he's got his back slightly towards me and he's holding an object," she said. "For my safety, I felt he needed to step out of the vehicle."

    The object was Cox's cellphone, which he was using to legally record the incident. After stepping from the vehicle, McKenney ordered Cox, a 33-year-old Iraq War veteran, to put the device down on the car instead of holding it over her head out of fear it could be used as a weapon.

    McKenney insists she wanted the phone placed on the back of Cox's car so that it could not be used as a blunt force object to strike her -- not to stop it from recording.

    "There are reports of cellphones looking like guns," said McKenney, a 12-year veteran of the Virginia State Police. "I had no problem with him recording me. I was already being recorded with the dash cam."

    "He wasn’t compliant when he got out of the vehicle," she said.

    Cox, who was promptly frisked by McKenney, also had an expired inspection sticker. In the end, Cox received two tickets from McKenney: one for the inspection failure, which was later dismissed after he appeared in court, and another for $75 for his failure to display his front license plate.

    The ordeal did not sit well with Cox, who said he believes his constitutional rights were violated.

    Through the Freedom of Information Act, he later obtained the 28-minute dash cam video as well as radio transmissions and text messages sent between McKenney and her colleagues and posted it all to his blog. While sitting inside her police cruiser after the confrontation, McKenney can be heard in one radio transmission telling another officer, "I don't want myself on any Youtube or whatever," when the colleague informs her about Cox's blog. She can also be heard defending her orders to have Cox step outside his vehicle.

    "It took him a long time to pull over so I just wanted him to get out of the car," she tells a colleague. "I don't want to search his car -- I don't want anything like that but I don't -- if he's got a gun ..."

    The YouTube video of the confrontation has been viewed more than 600,000 times to date.

    Cox and his blog are known to law enforcement in the area -- and the McKenney case is not the first time Cox has been embroiled in a legal dispute over his First Amendment rights.

    Cox was awarded $10,000 in April 2012 from the state of Virginia for an alleged illegal traffic stop. As Cox explains it, he was driving in Richmond a year earlier when he saw a Virginia Commonwealth University police officer engaged with another vehicle on the side of the road. Cox pulled out his megaphone -- which he said he uses at police demonstrations -- and blasted, "'Stop harassing people, we pay your paychecks.'" The officer then got into his vehicle with the sirens on and pulled Cox over -- an incident he also recorded on his cellphone and later posted to his blog.

    Cox was charged with disorderly conduct, but a judge later dismissed the charge. He then hired well-known constitutional rights attorney Thomas H. Roberts, who filed a civil lawsuit against the police department. The case was settled outside of court and Cox was issued a check by the state.

    McKenney first filed her lawsuit in May 2013 in small claims court for $5,000. She then re-filed in March 2014 in circuit court for $1.35 million -- an amount set by her attorney, D. Hayden Fisher.

    Cox, a libertarian who said he once wanted to be a police officer, founded in 2010 what he calls a "police accountability group."

    "Badges don't grant extra rights," he said, telling FoxNews.com that his group's cause is to "hold police accountable, require transparency and educate people on their rights."

    "We are a reactive and a proactive organization in the sense that if somebody gets roughed up by the police, we'll organize demonstrations and bail money if need be," he said.

    In the McKenney case, Cox said his arms were raised over his head because "within seconds of me getting out of the car, she tried to grab the cellphone out of my hand. I told her I had a personal right to record her."

    Roberts, who is representing Cox again, said his client's actions are protected under the First Amendment and claims the lawsuit is problematic because a number of the claims are barred by the statute of limitations.

    "The blog is protected by the First Amendment to protest and to complain about the government," said Roberts.

    "Truth is an absolute defense against defamation," he added, referring to the video and text messages obtained by Cox.

    But McKenney's lawyer said it is alleged false statements made by Cox on his blog that constitute defamation -- such as a the accusation that McKenney "molested" him during the traffic stop.

    "You can look at the dash cam video and see that she did not assault him or molest him," Fisher told FoxNews.com. "If anything, she could have arrested him for causing problems."

    Cox defended his molestation statement -- which was said in a homemade video he posted to his blog. He told FoxNews.com he felt he was molested, but "not sexually."

    "She first tried to grab my phone and in doing so made unwanted contact with me. Then she did a quick pat-down. Then she tried grabbing my phone some more," he said.

    McKenney said she was simply doing her job.

    "We never know what we're encountering," she said. "It would be different if I was a rogue officer trampling on his rights; but this is not me."

    "I am a professional person. I care about the community, I care about my reputation and I try to treat everyone with respect," she said.



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    10-to-1 the P.B.A. is funding this lawsuit.

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    My friend has jury duty next week, I'd love to give him a "good people nullify bad laws" shirt to wear for the occasion. Anyone know where I can get the shirt Cox is wearing in that pic? maybe a short-sleeve version though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsey View Post
    My friend has jury duty next week, I'd love to give him a "good people nullify bad laws" shirt to wear for the occasion. Anyone know where I can get the shirt Cox is wearing in that pic? maybe a short-sleeve version though.
    He won't be picked if he is wearing it. If he is already been selected then the judge may have issues. Fair warning. If you are for nullification keep it on the low down if you actually want to attempt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsey View Post
    My friend has jury duty next week, I'd love to give him a "good people nullify bad laws" shirt to wear for the occasion. Anyone know where I can get the shirt Cox is wearing in that pic? maybe a short-sleeve version though.
    I appreciate your enthusiasm... but...

    I would urge you to reconsider, unless your friend actually wants to be kicked from the jury pool right at the start. If your friend is liberty friendly, it's better to let him get on a jury if he actually wants to help someone.

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    I have done jury duty before; my experience was posted on RPF. I know the shirt severely reduces the likelihood of him getting picked. However, what it does do is potentially open the door for him to have a conversation with the other potential jurors that are there that day..

    ETA: here's my jury duty story: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...62#post4943862
    Last edited by Lindsey; 07-14-2015 at 03:52 PM.

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    "I am a professional person. I care about the community, I care about my reputation and I try to treat everyone with respect," she said.
    Then keep your hands the $#@! off of people and their $#@! without a warrant or probable cause.

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    From the Virginia Cop Block web site:
    http://virginiacopblock.org/civil-la...1-35m-lawsuit/

    Nathan Cox is seeking donations for his Legal Defense Fund to help pay the cost of his attorneys. Consider making a donation and helping Cox protect hist First Amendment rights and perhaps, although it’s not clear, this case could help set a precedent in protecting YOUR first amendment rights in the process. Click on the image below to make a donation. Cox has stated he’ll be sending personalized hand-written thank you cards, to everyone who donates.
    I can't directly link it here for some reason, but there's a PayPal "donate" link at the bottom of the story:

    http://virginiacopblock.org/civil-la...1-35m-lawsuit/



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    Confirmation Number: 6A292387EB720240S
    Placed on Jul 14, 2015

    Freedom Works Foundation

    Reference: FW-Cox Defamation Defense

    Total Amount: $20.00 USD

    In for twenty. I know this stuff is expensive... wish I could send more right now.

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    Police officer seems like a very difficult job, but mostly because of this:

    "Cox, who was promptly frisked by McKenney, also had an expired inspection sticker. In the end, Cox received two tickets from McKenney: one for the inspection failure, which was later dismissed after he appeared in court, and another for $75 for his failure to display his front license plate."

    Our laws are freaking endless. We have way, way, way too many nonsense reasons for law enforcement officers to interact with otherwise peaceful people.

    Cops should be catching bad guys, not checking to see that everyone has the appropriate stamp of state-approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Police officer seems like a very difficult job, but mostly because of this:

    "Cox, who was promptly frisked by McKenney, also had an expired inspection sticker. In the end, Cox received two tickets from McKenney: one for the inspection failure, which was later dismissed after he appeared in court, and another for $75 for his failure to display his front license plate."

    Our laws are freaking endless. We have way, way, way too many nonsense reasons for law enforcement officers to interact with otherwise peaceful people.

    Cops should be catching bad guys, not checking to see that everyone has the appropriate stamp of state-approval.

    I agree there are too many stupid and meaningless laws, but that's not an excuse for a cop to be an $#@!. Keep in mind that the police have full discretion in situations such as these, right up to and including not even bothering to pull the person over.

    This guy was *targeted* by the cops because they knew he was someone who had the temerity to stand up for himself. Cops hate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post
    In for twenty. I know this stuff is expensive... wish I could send more right now.
    Confirmation number: 4GA42108BJ6659640


    I'm hurting for funds right now but i matched your donation as this is a worthy cause....

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    McKenney insists she wanted the phone placed on the back of Cox's car so that it could not be used as a blunt force object to strike her -- not to stop it from recording.

    "There are reports of cellphones looking like guns," said McKenney, a 12-year veteran of the Virginia State Police. "I had no problem with him recording me. I was already being recorded with the dash cam."
    I'd also love to see who is funding her suit, i smell a pigpen. Hell her simple ass can't even keep her story straight on why she was in fear of the phone, did she think it was a gun or a dangerous blunt force weapon? also why in the hell would a cell phone looking like a gun cause you any extra fear? now a gun looking like a cell phone on the other hand is a cause for concern. wait so is she saying he had a gun look-a-like cell phone case? This twit.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by morfeeis View Post
    Confirmation number: 4GA42108BJ6659640


    I'm hurting for funds right now but i matched your donation as this is a worthy cause....
    +Rep and many, many thanks!

    It's this sort of occasion that reminds me of the quote from Ben Franklin, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morfeeis View Post
    I'd also love to see who is funding her suit, i smell a pigpen. Hell her simple ass can't even keep her story straight on why she was in fear of the phone, did she think it was a gun or a dangerous blunt force weapon? also why in the hell would a cell phone looking like a gun cause you any extra fear? now a gun looking like a cell phone on the other hand is a cause for concern. wait so is she saying he had a gun look-a-like cell phone case? This twit.....


    Yep... IMHO it all boils down to a cop getting pissed because someone wasn't worshipful enough.


    “I asked him to get out of the car and he puts a camera in my face”
    “I don’t want myself on any type of YouTube or whatever.”
    (Quotes pulled from Dashboard Camera Audio)

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    Wow - LOTS of hate from the pro-cop side, even on the CopBlock website!

    Some samples:

    http://virginiacopblock.org/civil-la...1-35m-lawsuit/
    you need to get a life! would have been a quick stop if you weren't a punk, you were the one causing the issues
    Lying about the mental health of a trooper saying she is crazy that she committed a criminal act of molesting you, in my opinion you will be paying this trooper for the rest of you life.
    This is what you get for being a lying sack of $#@! and claiming this woman "molested" you. How does it feel to have the accountability shoe on your own foot, scumbag?
    Dude,
    You're an $#@!.
    You questioned why there were "20 cops in this last mile". I don't see how that is any of your business. Whether it's right or wrong, it's not you business.



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    Dude,
    You're an $#@!.
    You questioned why there were "20 cops in this last mile". I don't see how that is any of your business. Whether it's right or wrong, it's not you business.
    Lol.

    Not like he pays for the $#@!, or anything.
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    "There are reports of cellphones looking like guns," said McKenney, a 12-year veteran of the Virginia State Police. "I had no problem with him recording me. I was already being recorded with the dash cam."
    Wow, I'm glad she's ok. In the past there have also been reports of pens, cordless power drills, wallets, wii controllers, etc, looking like guns... it's a dangerous world out there.
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    "There are reports of cellphones looking like guns," said McKenney, a 12-year veteran of the Virginia State Police. "I had no problem with him recording me. I was already being recorded with the dash cam."
    In fact, she was probably happy he was recording her, as it would provide a back-up in case the dash cam for whatever reason wasn't working (happens alot)
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    bump for the day crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Cops should be catching bad guys,
    Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh............ ...........................

    Dude, you've been here 4 years and you still think this is what cops do?

    not checking to see that everyone has the appropriate stamp of state-approval.
    This is the job.
    It has always been the job.
    It has never not been the job.
    There is no point in time, past, present, or future, no matter how long the timeline, when "police" did not, does not, or will not mean exactly this.

    I'm really not sure how to make it any more clear.
    This is what they do.
    The only thing I would add is "and also they get to decide what the state stamp of approval means, and they get to beat up or kill anyone they see as not having this totally arbitrary approval".
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsey View Post
    My friend has jury duty next week, I'd love to give him a "good people nullify bad laws" shirt to wear for the occasion. Anyone know where I can get the shirt Cox is wearing in that pic? maybe a short-sleeve version though.
    That would be a quick way of getting kicked off the jury. Judges don't like activist jurors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post

    I thought she looked familiar.


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    Good to see the donations here. I sent in a hunski as soon as it was publicized. Nathan is an old friend...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Good to see the donations here. I sent in a hunski as soon as it was publicized. Nathan is an old friend...
    +Rep and many thanks!!

    Anyone who is considering a donation, please do. Even five or ten bucks can make a big difference. Remember, the defense in this case is going to be very expensive for those involved. All the State has to do to secure funding is steal some more money from everyone by way of taxes and fines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Good to see the donations here. I sent in a hunski as soon as it was publicized. Nathan is an old friend...
    I'll do the same.

    Amazing isn't it?

    A mundane can get sued personally for being impolite to a cop.

    A cop can kill us, our family or our pets and will face zero personal accountability.

    Freedom.

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    fisharmor already addressed this, but here's my 0.02 FRN ...

    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Cops should be catching bad guys [...]
    That is NOT their job ...

    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    [...] not checking to see that everyone has the appropriate stamp of state-approval.
    ... THAT is their job. That is what they do. That is why they exist.

    The purpose of police is to monitor and enforce compliance with the State's rules, regulations and edicts. That is all. Nothing else. The courts (up to and including the Supreme Court) have openly acknowleged this. They have repeatedly ruled that police are under NO obligation whatsoever to protect or preserve the lives or property of anyone - nor do they have ANY positive duty to neutralize threats to the lives or property of anyone. For just one illustration of this, see the following:

    FTA (emphasis added, footnotes elided): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim...stabbing_spree
    In the spring of 2012, Joseph Lozito, who was brutally stabbed and "grievously wounded, deeply slashed around the head and neck", sued police for negligence in failing to render assistance to Lozito as he was being attacked by [Maksim] Gelman. Lozito told reporters that he decided to file the lawsuit after learning from "a grand-jury member" that NYPD officer Terrance Howell testified that he hid from Gelman before and while Lozito was being attacked because Howell thought Gelman had a gun. In response to the suit, attorneys for the City of New York argued that police had no duty to protect Lozito or any other person from Gelman. On July 25, 2013, Judge Margaret Chan dismissed Lozito's suit; stating [that while she was] sympathetic to the [sic] Lozito's account and [did not doubt] his testimony, [she] agreed that police had "no special duty" to protect Lozito.
    While the police may indeed sometimes apprehend malum in se offenders (a.k.a. "bad guys"), this is entirely incidental to their actual purpose, which is to identify (and cite or incarcerate) malum prohibitum offenders - i.e., those who do not have "the appropriate stamp of state approval" (and of whom malum in se offenders are merely an ancillary subset).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post
    Wow - LOTS of hate from the pro-cop side, even on the CopBlock website!

    Some samples:

    http://virginiacopblock.org/civil-la...1-35m-lawsuit/
    Are you really shocked?
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    ... THAT is their job. That is what they do. That is why they exist.

    The purpose of police is to monitor and enforce compliance with the State's rules, regulations and edicts.
    Almost. You need to dig deeper.

    The rules and regulation, laws and edicts mean nothing...
    5-4, how many 5-4 rulings does the Supreme Court issue.
    How many judges rulings get overturned by a higher court.

    It is to obey, without question, whatever the state instructs at whatever moment in time. That is the state seal of approval. Obedience. The chain of obedience is being check for weak links.

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