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    Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Bigger and More Dangerous Than ObamaCare


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHYlZb65gVY


    President Obama's Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is an an all-out assault on our national sovereignty.


    Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Bigger and More Dangerous Than ObamaCare


    The New American
    14 December 2013


    We all remember Representative Nancy Pelosi’s infamous statement that we have to pass the ObamaCare legislation so that we can find out what’s in it. That was in 2010 and Mrs. Pelosi was then speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Well, Congress followed her advice and passed ObamaCare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Three years later, in October of 2013, tens of millions of Americans began finding out what was really in the bill, as they began receiving health insurance cancellations and/or massive premium hikes. They also began to learn that under ObamaCare the IRS has been given new powers to go after them, their businesses, and their bank accounts. And that is only the beginning. As with all legislation, the devil is in the details, and lots of devils keep popping out of the constantly evolving details, as dozens of federal agencies continue churning out thousands of pages of regulations to implement the misbegotten, misnamed Affordable Care Act.

    There are many important lessons from ObamaCare that we should apply to another huge project that could have a similarly devastating impact on our nation. In November 2009, President Obama announced his intention to have the United States participate in a so-called trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I say so-called trade agreement because 80 percent of the proposed agreement deals with a great many issues besides trade.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP, as it is called, is an all-out assault on our national sovereignty. It would unconstitutionally transfer legislative powers from the U.S. Congress, our state legislatures, and our city and county governments to multi-national corporations and unaccountable international bureaucrats at the World Trade Organization, or WTO. Incredibly, it also would transfer judicial powers from our federal and state courts — which are bad enough — to globalist TPP judges at regional tribunals and the WTO. It would also confer huge advantages on foreign businesses and large multinationals, while at the same time putting companies that operate here in America — especially small and medium-sized enterprises — at a competitive disadvantage. American businesses would remain shackled by the regulations of EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc. while their foreign competitors could operate here unimpeded by those same strictures.

    Like the infamous NAFTA trade agreement passed in the '90s, the TPP would usher in another wave of outsourcing, as the remaining manufacturing and technology bases would be given incentives to move to Pacific Rim countries, resulting in millions more American job losses.

    With TPP negotiations on track to be completed by the end of 2013, President Obama will likely ask Congress to approve this trade agreement in early 2014. Contact your senators and representative and urge them to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and see the many additional articles listed below the video that we’ve published detailing the dangers of the TPP.



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    How the Free Trade Agenda Is Knocking Down America -- The New American (PDF) Special Report
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/TNA2917.pdf


    Tools to STOP the "Free Trade" Agenda
    https://www.jbs.org/shop-jbs/stop-the-free-trade-agenda



    Contact Congress:

    Keep America Independent: Stop Trade Promotion Authority
    https://www.votervoice.net/JBS/campaigns/31469/respond

    No Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Trade Agreement
    https://www.votervoice.net/JBS/campaigns/29931/respond
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    Yay, globalized "free trade".

    A headlong race right to the bottom.

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    And the Trophy for getting to the bottom first goes to, oh wait, they're dead, the runner up is dead too.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    yes this is the worst and must be fought tooth and nail ... this is important !
    "It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert Kennedy

    http://scully13.wordpress.com/about men of dark intentions

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    Hi my name is reality.

    Until people are ready to do more than protest, write their congressmen and "spread the word" the TPP will go through without a hitch.

    No outrage over the NDAA which means they can KILL an AMERICAN without charges and it passed no problem for THREE YEARS NOW.
    "One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."

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    here is a site :
    Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)
    https://openmedia.org/letter/ca ( a letter tool cdn&usa to fight TPP )
    Key government officials and industry lobbyists are about to meet in secret in Salt Lake City, Utah, to hash out an Internet censorship plan that would make it possible for entire websites and families to be kicked off the Internet.

    This plan is part of an international agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) that is being crafted in secret. Over 120,000 people have called on the heads of state of the twelve powerful countries to “Say No to Internet Censorship” in the TPP.

    people might move if they know the Internet is in jeopardy !
    "It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert Kennedy

    http://scully13.wordpress.com/about men of dark intentions

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    Hello Reality.

    I am intrigued by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZENemy View Post
    Hi my name is reality.

    Until people are ready to do more than protest, write their congressmen and "spread the word" the TPP will go through without a hitch.

    No outrage over the NDAA which means they can KILL an AMERICAN without charges and it passed no problem for THREE YEARS NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENemy View Post
    Hi my name is reality.

    Until people are ready to do more than protest, write their congressmen and "spread the word" the TPP will go through without a hitch.

    No outrage over the NDAA which means they can KILL an AMERICAN without charges and it passed no problem for THREE YEARS NOW.
    That phony left/right paradigm continues to suck people in. Both parties are in hot pursuit to make sure this passes. The only true way to take control of this country is to bankrupt everyone in the process...the citizens that is.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I'm in favor of free trade and lower tariffs. However, some of the rules and regulations contained in this agreement seem to be so bad that this agreement is more bad than good overall and should be opposed.

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    Ron Paul: Oppose Free Trade Agreements



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLRuMHAK_w


    Ron Paul says Free Trade Agreements erode National sovereignty, destroy jobs, and only serves the special interests. So-called "Free Trade" is Government-managed trade.



    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA, the Architecture for the New World Order



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKKwZl1BTxk


    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA -- it will represent the most creative step towards a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the cold war. The revolution sweeping the Western hemisphere points to an international order based on cooperation. It is this revolution that is at stake in the ratification of NAFTA. What congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement, but the Architecture of a new international system - Los Angeles Times, 1993
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Ron Paul: Oppose Free Trade Agreements



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLRuMHAK_w


    Ron Paul says Free Trade Agreements erode National sovereignty, destroy jobs, and only serves the special interests. So-called "Free Trade" is Government-managed trade.



    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA, the Architecture for the New World Order



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKKwZl1BTxk


    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA -- it will represent the most creative step towards a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the cold war. The revolution sweeping the Western hemisphere points to an international order based on cooperation. It is this revolution that is at stake in the ratification of NAFTA. What congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement, but the Architecture of a new international system - Los Angeles Times, 1993
    He does, however, support unilateral free trade, which is the host country (in this case, the US) removing tariffs, taxes, regulations, and barriers for imports/goods/services/whatever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    I can't think of any good reason to have these large trade agreements. Trade policy shouldn't be much more complicated than setting a tariff rate based on the country of origin. You don't need any international courts for that, just an act of Congress.
    Equality is a false god.

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    What bothers me the most is that this is ALL being done in COMPLETE SECRET, and have to turn to Edward Snowden once again for information on even general information of what is in the TPP.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifleman View Post
    I can't think of any good reason to have these large trade agreements. Trade policy shouldn't be much more complicated than setting a tariff rate based on the country of origin. You don't need any international courts for that, just an act of Congress.
    Here's the real reason:

    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA -- it will represent the most creative step towards a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the cold war. The revolution sweeping the Western hemisphere points to an international order based on cooperation. It is this revolution that is at stake in the ratification of NAFTA. What congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement, but the Architecture of a new international system - Los Angeles Times, 1993

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    American businesses would remain shackled by the regulations of EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc. while their foreign competitors could operate here unimpeded by those same strictures.
    Foreigners will have more freedom than Americans! The Bastards!

    We Must stop them! If Americans can't be free, NOBODY CAN!!!
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    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
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    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

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    The worst part of all is that this will get virtually no attention from anyone.

    On the sex appeal scale it's a -5.

    I'd bet that 90% of American's wouldn't understand the issue.
    (I'd bet that 95% of politicians wouldn't understand it either.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertarianMoney View Post
    The worst part of all is that this will get virtually no attention from anyone.

    On the sex appeal scale it's a -5.
    The OP article posted is getting some play on news sites.


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    http://www.thenewscommenter.com/news...re-Video/51080
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    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/...-121513-2.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    He does, however, support unilateral free trade, which is the host country (in this case, the US) removing tariffs, taxes, regulations, and barriers for imports/goods/services/whatever.
    Free trade is fine so long as workers are paid wages comparable to the U.S. Everyone else is on their own.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    No offense frank but it's probably gonna take more than the 5 monthly visitors to TheOldCountryChurch.com to get the word out.
    Help get the word out.
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