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    Food for thought: An 8-part video by the CELDF about how Constitution plays into their work

    This 8 part video series outlines the evolution of the approach of a "non-profit, public interest law firm" in dealing with various environmental issues and the government.

    Some background on the producers of the videos:
    The Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund is a non-profit, public interest law firm providing free and affordable legal services to communities facing threats to their local environment, local agriculture, the local economy, and quality of life. Our mission is to build sustainable communities by assisting people to assert their right to local self-government and the rights of nature.
    The videos outline how they originally worked within the existing complex regulatory framework only to see the futility of that approach. They realized that the system is designed to limit discussion about the issues involved, much like the existence of the two party system limits discussion of the issues at election time. Over the years, they took new approaches to dealing with the issues their clients faced and eventually started to examine what they believe are the roots rather than the branches, tracing back to the history behind the Constitution and the case law that has shaped the present day legal and regulatory setting.

    Although the series is fairly lengthy (each video is about a half-hour long), I found it quite interesting, educational, and thought-provoking. The examples offered in the early videos serve to lay the groundwork for why they started to examine the history of the Constitution. They learned how the Constitution (and resulting case law) fundamentally changed the governance of our country and discuss their conclusions about the motives of the historical figures.

    By the end of the series, it became clear that - in my opinion - they still hadn't gotten to the real root of the problem and actually started down a path that I thought was completely off track and erroneous. I won't spoil it by saying what that path is; you'll have to watch them for yourself.
    In that respect, I was disappointed, but the examples and discussion was still very worthwhile.

    I would appreciate your input and will be very disappointed if this does not provoke a lot of discussion on RPF's about the Constitution. If it starts anything, I'll go ahead and explain what I meant by missing the heart of the problem and going down the wrong path.

    Here is the link to the videos, happy watching:

    http://www.celdf.org/democracy-school-on-line
    Last edited by Tod; 11-25-2014 at 05:27 PM.
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."



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    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
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    This group and their "Democracy Schools" have been taking advantage of the small towns in my area under threat of a proposed large corridor running across Maine. Out of desperation people are voting in the CELDF "Rights Based Ordinances" which are being sold as legally binding ordinances, leaving these towns unprotected. This group despises the right of the individual, or of property rights, and is pushing the old rule by majority ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw68 View Post
    This group and their "Democracy Schools" have been taking advantage of the small towns in my area under threat of a proposed large corridor running across Maine. Out of desperation people are voting in the CELDF "Rights Based Ordinances" which are being sold as legally binding ordinances, leaving these towns unprotected. This group despises the right of the individual, or of property rights, and is pushing the old rule by majority ideology.

    Before I go into any detail about my conclusions, let me ask why the people are desperate? Is land being claimed by eminent domain for this "large corridor"? (what is the purpose of this large corridor?)

    If the people of the town are passing ordinances, they must surely have felt unprotected from the start, no?
    Last edited by Tod; 11-26-2014 at 11:40 AM.
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Before you come up with any conclusions be sure you have studied the ordinances they are preparing and compare them with what they are teaching. You may find some discrepancies. Some of what they are teaching is probably a good thing, in particular crony capitalism, but much of what they are pushing is extreme environmentalism. All the ordinances I have read attempt to grant rights to ecosystems and natural communities which can be enforced by the town or any resident. These ecosystems and natural communities could be argued to include every square inch of ones property. This has already started a feud between neighbors in one town where one neighbor is trying to prevent the other neighbor from harvesting his timber using this new RBO.

    This would be an international corridor from Canada to Canada crossing the State of Maine 500-2000 feet wide for a limited access four lane highway, electrical and communications lines, and/or pipelines (most likely crude oil). The latest proposed route is through the middle of my town and my families property, so it is a desperate situation, but to essentially hand over all of our property rights, to protect us from this corridor that may never happen, seems like a foolish thing to do.

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    What I saw, as I watched the videos, was the law firm concluding that a large federal government does not have the right to tell a state that the state cannot govern itself (interstate commerce clause) and that a state does not have the right to tell a municipality that the municipality cannot govern itself, all under the umbrella that people have the right to home-rule. Additionally, they seem to view the case law that supports the notion that corporations are people too as being incorrect.

    The reason I believe they missed the root of the matter is that they failed to take the next step and say that municipalities do not have the right to rule individuals; that individuals also have the right to "home rule".

    Regarding corporations as people, they skirt around the fact that corporations are entirely fictional constructs of government which is itself a fictional construct which is a result of the myth of "authority".

    As for the "rights of nature", that's just silly because who is to say what nature's "rights" are? It would require that someone determine them and who would do that and why is their opinion any more valid than anyone else's opinion? (it isn't).
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Here is an article about Sugar Hill, NH

    Rebel Towns

    Call it municipal disobedience: communities like Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, are defying laws they deem illegitimate.

    The 600 residents of Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, have done a laudable job of keeping the vulgarities of modern life at bay. There are no fast-food restaurants, no neon signs. Instead, the former iron-mining town has rambling country inns and a main road lined with Victorian and Arts and Crafts houses. Locals gather for breakfast, as they have since 1938, at Polly’s Pancake Parlor, which grinds its own corn and wheat and uses syrup from the sugar maples that give the town its name. With tourism driving the economy, the village’s biggest assets are its fall foliage, fields of lupines and uninterrupted views of the snow-capped White Mountains.


    Each March, Sugar Hill’s voters gather at the white meetinghouse—a converted church built in 1830 with a trio of gold-leaf clocks on its steeple—for their annual town meeting. Anyone who collects enough signatures can place an item on the agenda to be voted into law. That New Englander impulse toward self-government, combined with the feistiness that led Sugar Hill to secede from a neighboring town in 1962, might explain its residents’ sweeping response when they learned in 2010 that an international electric consortium has proposed a high-voltage transmission line that would slice through the village like a giant zipper.


    The Northern Pass, if built, would enter New Hampshire at the Canadian border and bisect some of the state’s most intact forestland as it connects Quebec’s hydroelectric dams with New England’s power grid. Steel towers, some exceeding thirteen stories in height, would line the 180-mile route, which snakes through ten miles of protected national forest and seven miles of Sugar Hill. Conservationists say the project is unneeded and could degrade waterways and fragment wildlife habitats.
    But what New Hampshirites fear most is that the Northern Pass will disfigure the state’s visual landscape. “It could destroy our economy,” says Dolly McPhaul, a lifelong Sugar Hill resident. “If people don’t build their second homes here, where are the builders going to get their money? The plumbers? The grocery store that feeds these people?” McPhaul and her neighbors were particularly disheartened to learn that the Northern Pass required federal and state permits—but no local permits at all.

    “You’re shocked to find out you have no say,” says Nancy Martland, a retired child-development researcher who moved to Sugar Hill in 2007. “Even your whole town. Even at town meeting. Even your Select Board. You have no power. People in New Hampshire—maybe everywhere, I don’t know—we want to stand up for ourselves.”


    So they did. Last year, Martland and McPhaul campaigned for a local ordinance that would ban corporations from acquiring land or building structures to support any “unsustainable energy system.” The ordinance stripped those corporations of their free-speech and due-process rights under the Constitution, as well as protections afforded by the Constitution’s commerce and contract clauses. Judicial rulings that recognized corporations as legal “persons” would not be recognized in Sugar Hill. Any state or federal law that tried to interfere with the town’s authority would be invalidated. “Natural communities and ecosystems”—wetlands, streams, rivers, aquifers—would acquire “inalienable and fundamental rights to exist and flourish,” and any resident could enforce the law on their behalf. “All power is inherent in the people,” the measure stated.


    Sugar Hill’s attorney suggested this was folly; local governments can’t override state or federal law, much less the Constitution. Such an ordinance could attract a lawsuit, which the village could ill afford. McPhaul, a Republican and a charity volunteer and self-described “goody two-shoes,” also worried about litigation. “But what is your option?” she asks. “To lie down, play dead and let them destroy your town?” After a two-month public-awareness campaign, Sugar Hill’s residents took up the ordinance at their 2012 town meeting. It passed by a unanimous voice vote.


    Thus, Sugar Hill became one of dozens of communities nationwide—mostly villages but also the city of Pittsburgh—that have reacted to environmental threats by directly challenging the Constitution and established case law. The leading champion of this confrontational strategy—which has its share of critics, even among progressives who share the sense of desperation that is driving it—is a bearish 43-year-old attorney named Thomas Linzey. These skirmishes, Linzey believes, are the first steps in a long campaign to wrest power from corporations and strengthen American democracy. He refers to the strategy as “collective nonviolent civil disobedience through municipal lawmaking.”


    Linzey runs the Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund, a Pennsylvania nonprofit that advocates for local self-government and the rights of nature. CELDF comes into threatened communities, educates residents about US legal history, and trains them to advocate for “rights-based ordinances” like Sugar Hill’s. About thirty municipalities in Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Ohio and New Mexico have enacted such measures, according to Linzey, following an earlier round of over 100 more modest laws. CELDF’s organizers have helped citizens fight frackers, coal companies, factory farms, big-box stores, water bottlers and sewage-sludge dumpers. They’ve campaigned to overhaul the city charter in Spokane, Washington. And they aided the successful effort to confer rights on nature in Ecuador’s 2008 Constitution. Linzey, whose baritone voice is filled with populist fire, has crafted a message whose appeal brings together liberals distrustful of big business and conservatives distrustful of big government.

    Linzey’s approach has evolved dramatically since 1995, when the organization he co-founded started assisting Pennsylvania communities that were battling polluters and developers. Newly admitted to the bar, the young Alabaman initially put his faith in the regulatory system. “It seemed to us at the time that people needed lawyers,” he recalls. “The problem was not that we didn’t have good environmental laws. The problem was, the world has gone to $#@! because we didn’t have enough people enforcing those laws.” So Linzey applied what he’d learned in law school. Faced with a proposed incinerator or landfill, “we would take the 400-page application and try to find places where it was deficient—gaps, omissions, those types of things.” Based on these bureaucratic challenges, CELDF’s clients often won their first rounds.


    “Then the community group would have a victory party,” he recalls. “Everybody would pat each other on the back and say the system works. Meanwhile, thirty, sixty days from then, the corporation would come back and submit a new and improved permit application, and the project would move forward. So we weren’t stopping anything.”


    The attorney wondered what he was accomplishing by working within the system. “In many ways, the regulatory process is intended to exhaust communities, because it does not recognize—and neither does the broader structure of the law recognize—that communities have any power to make those fundamental decisions about energy or transportation or agriculture.” Citizens could delay but not stop projects; the law was “merely regulating the rate at which the environment was being destroyed.”


    Behind Linzey’s epiphany is almost 200 years of jurisprudence giving both constitutional rights and legal personhood to corporations. The Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision, which used the First Amendment to permit corporations unlimited independent political spending, is just the latest in a chain of such rulings. Most famous is the 1886 case Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific, in which a railroad company argued that a particular tax law violated the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal-protection clause. “The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the [clause] applies to these corporations,” Chief Justice Morrison Waite said from the bench. “We are all of opinion that it does.” Since then, courts have also used the Constitution’s Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and its commerce and contract clauses, to expand corporate rights. Linzey believes these rulings are rooted in the very structure of the Constitution, which he says “puts the rights of property and commerce over the rights of people, communities and nature.”


    The Constitution also concentrates power by declaring itself, along with federal statutes, “the supreme law of the land.” And starting in 1868, a judicial doctrine known as Dillon’s Rule held local governments subservient to state legislatures, which “breathes into them the breath of life, without which they cannot exist,” Linzey adds.

    With communities holding so little authority, Linzey and his colleagues decided that the only way to fight environmental threats was through open defiance. He compares this to Northern jurors who refused to convict defendants in fugitive slave cases, suffragists who risked arrest to vote and African-Americans who sat down at segregated lunch counters. “Change does not happen by silver-tongued lawyers going into courthouses,” he says. “The only way law changes is through disobedience.” There was no reason, he concluded, that disobedience couldn’t come from local governments—and he found eager allies in Pennsylvania’s Republican-leaning farm country.


    Linzey had started receiving calls from elected supervisors worried about the arrival of factory hog farms in their rural townships. The officials had tried to stave off the invasions by strictly regulating manure disposal, only to find their efforts pre-empted by Pennsylvania law. Now some were willing to butt heads with the state government. Linzey drafted an ordinance that would ban corporate farming altogether, drawing from similar laws passed by nine Midwestern states. About twenty townships enacted the measure, he estimates, followed by eighty that banned the importing of corporate-hauled sewage sludge for use as fertilizer on farm fields. (Despite industry assurances, some scientists consider the noxious sludge toxic. Two Pennsylvania teens had recently died after exposure to such sludge.) A few townships went further, refusing altogether to recognize the personhood of corporate sludge haulers.


    Predictably, Pennsylvania’s state government invoked its supremacy. It passed a law in 2005 empowering the attorney general to sue local governments that restrict “normal agricultural operations,” then took legal action against two townships, East Brunswick and Packer. Both withdrew their sludge bans, though Packer’s supervisors voted not to recognize the attorney general’s authority to restrict their autonomy. A court voided that measure.

    News of the Pennsylvania rebellion reached other places. In Barnstead, New Hampshire (population 4,600), a home-schooling mother named Gail Darrell, who lives in a Revolutionary War–era cabin with her piano-tuner husband, watched with alarm as a water bottler called USA Springs announced plans to extract 310,000 gallons a day from three bedrock wells in nearby Nottingham. A report by civil engineer Thomas Ballestero warned that the operations could deplete and contaminate the local water supply. Yet the project seemed to be moving forward.


    Darrell had never been involved in local politics. But her children were getting older, leaving her with free time. So she volunteered to sit on a committee studying how Barnstead could protect its own water. There she learned about CELDF and invited Linzey to speak to the town’s selectmen. Linzey’s call to outlaw corporate privilege found a receptive audience in freedom-loving New Hampshire. (The state constitution authorizes its citizens to form a new government when the existing one starts serving private interests.) “It’s always been a bit ornery up here,” says Gordon Preston, who chaired the board of selectmen at the time. Preston had reservations about CELDF’s approach: “The biggest fear of a small town is that they get their asses hauled into court and have little or no money to defend themselves.” But he also shared Linzey’s concern about corporate power and supported the principle of local self-government.


    Darrell worked with the selectmen to put an anti-bottling ordinance on the 2006 town meeting agenda. Shortly before the vote, Linzey and historian Richard Grossman came to Barnstead to teach CELDF’s Democracy School, an intensive seminar that traces the history of corporate and government power. It was a clarifying moment for Darrell. “I didn’t really understand about the Constitution till I went through the school—that it wasn’t about freedom,” she says. “We grow up with that IV drip in our arm that tells us that we live in the greatest democracy that ever was.” The seminar gave Darrell the momentum she needed to defend the ordinance, which passed overwhelmingly at the town meeting and was strengthened two years later. Barnstead not only banned corporate water withdrawals and stripped bottling companies of their presumed constitutional rights; it also threatened secession from any government that tries to overturn the ban or “intimidate the people of Barnstead.” The measure was among the first to confer civil rights on natural systems like aquifers and rivers. Nottingham, which had initially rebuffed CELDF, followed suit with a similar measure.


    “New Hampshire has always had an independent spirit,” Darrell says. “The soil here is crap, and you really have to work hard to farm. When people came up here to settle, they were coming into no-man’s land. You had to have enough gumption to stick it out, to stand up for yourself, and to make it through the winter. That spirit has carried out into the way we treat government. We believe that we have the inalienable right to govern ourselves. So to hear the language of the ordinance—that didn’t seem foreign to people.”


    USA Springs later filed for bankruptcy, so it is hard to know whether these ordinances had any impact. But Darrell, who became CELDF’s New England organizer, claimed a more tangible victory in Shapleigh, Maine, where residents passed a rights-based ordinance in 2009. Their target, the Nestlé subsidiary Poland Spring, pulled up its test wells and left four months later. “Without the town’s permission to proceed on that project,” says Mark Dubois, the company’s natural-resource manager, “we had no project.”


    Nestlé’s withdrawal felt particularly sweet because Shapleigh’s citizens had defied both the company and their own elected officials. When the board of selectmen refused to put the rights-based ordinance to a public vote, calling it unconstitutional, bottling opponents convened their own town meeting and passed it 114-66. “Nobody is covering our asses out here,” says Charles Mullins, a retired machinist who later served one term as selectman. “When the people up high don’t do their jobs, then we’ve got to get out in the streets and do it ourselves.”


    Victories like Shapleigh’s have inspired other threatened communities, but they’re not really part of CELDF’s long-term game plan. For Linzey, disobedient lawmaking is an organizing tactic, not a legal one. He knows municipalities violate the law when they assert supremacy over state and federal governments. He expects “lawsuits galore” and assumes judges won’t permit these affronts to the Constitution. But he also believes that every courtroom defeat will trigger a bigger backlash against the status quo, leading to more municipal defiance. Over time, he expects to build the critical mass necessary to amend state constitutions and eventually the federal one.


    CELDF considers this the only path to environmental sustainability, and its leaders freely criticize liberals who believe otherwise. “We’re seen as not able to play well with others,” says Ben Price, who leads the nonprofit’s efforts in Pennsylvania. He admits that CELDF’s uncompromising style can be off-putting, but he doesn’t care. “Frankly, I’m not willing to suggest that the traditional progressive strategy is just as good” as the one CELDF is pursuing, and “we’re just giving another tool in the toolbox—I don’t agree with that. If trying to regulate the rate of destruction was working so well, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in environmentally.”


    Price says that when he chats with mainstream environmentalists, “what I constantly hear is, ‘We need to have a seat at the table. If we’re not sitting down when they’re talking about these rules and regs, we’re left out. Is that what you want?’ My answer is yes. We need to stop legitimizing what they’re doing by being invited to the table of power, and then having no power.”


    The criticism, though, runs both ways. Some progressives call CELDF’s tactics pie-in-the-sky at best, dangerous at worst. “I’m concerned about how this can suck energy out of other avenues for change,” says Jon Snyder, a Spokane City Council member who believes the resources spent on a CELDF-sponsored ballot initiative cost his council the chance for its “first progressive majority.” The 2011 measure would have amended the city charter to strip rights from corporations and give them to waterways, neighborhoods and workers. It lost by 1,000 votes out of 58,700 cast. That’s a thin margin, but wider than the eighty-nine votes that would have elected a fourth progressive to the seven-member council. The liberal bloc has lost 4–3 votes on marriage equality, saving union jobs, utility rate reform, historic preservation, alternatives to incarceration and job-placement services for the poor, Snyder says.


    Constitutional scholar Kent Greenfield believes CELDF’s shortcomings go beyond misplaced energy. “I totally understand people’s revulsion against corporations’ misdeeds,” says the Boston College law professor. “I think, though, that we shouldn’t be squandering this political moment on organizational tools that, if implemented, would be a disaster. The reason we have a national government is because there are certain things we ought to decide at the national level and we can’t let people opt out of.” America’s racial history, he says, is exhibit number one; if Barnstead can threaten to secede, so can a town that wants to resegregate its schools. “This is what we fought the Civil War over, for goodness’ sake. This is what the civil rights movement was about. We cannot let the George Wallaces of the world stand in the schoolhouse door and say, ‘Our community norm of segregation is going to control here in the face of the national norm of equality.’ The assertion of power to rewrite the Constitution within one’s own community is a nonstarter—and ought to be.” [While Linzey doesn't get it, this counter argument by Greenfield ALSO misses the point]


    Linzey has heard the racial analogy before and rejects it. He argues that CELDF’s ordinances expand rights, at least to flesh-and-blood humans. The Constitution and federal laws should be used, he says, to overturn local restrictions of rights. “Vehicles are only as good,” he says, “as the values that animate them.”



    In the decade since it first took aim at corporate privilege, CELDF has jumped beyond its rural roots. It crossed the Rubicon in 2010, when Pittsburgh’s City Council unanimously passed a rights-based anti-fracking ordinance. “It was a very, very assertive bill,” says sponsor Doug Shields, who has since retired from the council. “It didn’t mince words. And there was talk that if you do this, you’ll be challenged the day after your vote.” Sure enough, last year Pennsylvania’s legislature passed a bill nullifying almost all local regulation of oil and gas extraction. (The state’s Public Utility Commission says this includes the Pittsburgh ordinance.) The new law is currently in litigation.

    Even before the Pittsburgh foray, CELDF started working internationally. After a handful of townships had given civil rights to “natural communities and ecosystems”—an idea floated forty years ago by legal scholar Christopher Stone in an essay titled “Should Trees Have Standing?”—CELDF was invited by an NGO to help draft a similar provision in Ecuador’s Constitution. “Ecuador has been treated by multinational corporations as a cheap hotel,” says associate director Mari Margil. “They come in, they make a giant mess, and then they leave.” The new Constitution, adopted in 2008, gives nature the right to “respect for its existence and for the maintenance and regeneration of its life cycles.” Courts have used that provision to crack down on illegal mining and road construction. Yet resource extraction continues, including the opening of 8 million acres of unspoiled rainforest to oil drilling. Margil and Linzey have also talked with activists in Nepal, Italy, India and New Zealand.


    The heart of CELDF’s work, though, remains in small American communities like those affected by the Northern Pass. Besides Sugar Hill, two other towns outlawed unsustainable energy projects by popular vote last year. Three others rejected or tabled the ordinance. For all of New Hampshire’s iconoclasm, not everyone wants to register dissent through a vehicle that could be overturned in court. “Unfortunately, the state trumps anything the towns do,” says Tom Mullen, developer of a resort that lies in the transmission line’s path. “I want to focus on things that will stop this project now.” For Mullen, that means working with the state government, which in 2012 led to a victory: legislators banned the use of eminent domain to obtain right-of-way for unneeded transmission projects.


    Still, CELDF keeps minting activists who want nothing to do with government as usual. Alexis Eynon, a middle-school art teacher, started attending Democracy Schools—following them around New England—when she learned the Northern Pass would come within a mile of her home in Thornton. Eynon built her house from straw bale, framing it with salvaged timber from her five wooded acres and heating it with a geothermal pump and a wood stove. “The original concept was to disturb the land as little as possible,” she says, which makes the nearby utility corridor that much harder to bear. “It takes a spectacular treasure that to me seems so rare in our country—these untouched places—and makes it mundane. It becomes like every other place that’s been destroyed by some kind of industrial project.”


    Hearing Linzey speak, and attending the Democracy Schools, convinced Eynon that “nobody’s going to help us here. We have to help ourselves.” In March, she plans to present the rights-based ordinance at Thornton’s town meeting in the hope that it will follow the lead of Sugar Hill, thirty miles away. Eynon knows that some of her neighbors are wary of a lawsuit and that others support the Northern Pass outright. She still considers such ordinances New Hampshire’s only hope.


    “The whole regulatory business feels like being a hamster in a hamster wheel,” she says. “I want to put my track shoes to the pavement and just start running.”

    http://www.thenation.com/article/172266/rebel-towns#
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    An article in a nearby paper

    Frackers, cities await court ruling

    MANSFIELD – Gas and oil companies have fought legal skirmishes with some Ohio cities over local zoning regulation and ordinances that attempt to limit drilling — but Mansfield Law Director John Spon said he believes this city may be at low risk of a second lawsuit anytime soon.
    Mansfield is among five Ohio cities where voters have approved local issues designed to limit or ban deep shale drilling or disposal of fracking waste.
    Broadview Heights, Yellow Springs, Oberlin and Athens also have attempted to exert local restrictions.
    The latter city, located in southeastern Ohio, was the latest to approve a ban, in the general election Nov. 4. On the same day, residents of Gates Mills, Kent and Youngstown all turned down measures meant to ban or limit drilling.
    Court cases seeking to block municipalities' attempts to limit drilling have been filed in at least three cities in recent years:
    Beck Energy Corp. of Ravenna is asking the Ohio Supreme Court to rule that the state is the sole authority deciding where oil and gas drilling may occur — and that municipalities may not enact ordinances limiting drillers.
    The Ohio Supreme Court heard oral arguments in February, but has not issued a ruling.
    That case began after the City of Munroe Falls filed an action in Summit County asking common pleas court to stop the company from drilling. The local judge found in the city's favor in 2011. But the Ninth District Court of Appeals later held that, while Beck Energy must comply with local ordinances governing use of roads, Munroe Falls' zoning ordinance and local drilling provisions conflicted with state law.
    Mansfield, Broadview Heights, Euclid, North Royalton and the village of Amesville have submitted briefs in support of the Munroe Falls' position.
    Earlier this year, Bass Energy of Fairlawn and Ohio Valley Energy of Austintown filed a lawsuit in Cuyahoga County, seeking to overturn Broadview Heights' efforts to ban future drilling there.
    The City of Mansfield briefly had a brush with a legal challenge in 2012. Preferred Fluids Management filed a federal lawsuit against the city, then let U.S. District Court know it was withdrawing that action.
    The company, based in Austin, Texas, had obtained permits from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources to drill two deep injection wells for disposal of fracking waste on land in an industrial park on Mansfield's north side.
    It purchased 5 acres of undeveloped land off Knight Parkway in 2012 — but never took construction plans further.
    In October 2012, Mansfield City Council approved a one-year moratorium prohibiting construction of injection wells in the industrial park. The following month, Mansfield voters approved an "environmental bill of rights," as an amendment to the city's charter.
    That was followed by city council consideration of additional ordinances requiring that drilling companies disclose chemicals in wastewater injected into the ground, and predict the maximum migration of waste from a well's location, over the next three decades.
    In its federal lawsuit, Preferred Fluids had argued the city had no legal authority to regulate injection wells. It withdrew the legal action just a couple of weeks before the general election, with no explanation.
    The company still owns the parcel. "We have had no correspondence at all on any additional lawsuits being filed," Spon said.
    Preferred Fluids did not take many steps toward commencing actual drilling, the law director said. "In some of those other areas of the state, investments already had been made into setting up fracking or injection well drilling. Here, there has been no investment on that one parcel in the industrial park — except for that one piece of land," he said.
    Spon also contends that steps taken by the City of Mansfield differ from those taken by other Ohio cities.
    Anybody could file a lawsuit against the city, he said. But "we have a pretty unique charter and ordinance. Some of these communities have outright bans against fracking. Ours doesn't really say that, it just says that certain things can't be done without the consent of the city."
    The law director believes the deep-shale extraction industry has taken a lengthy pause this year as all interested parties await the Ohio Supreme Court decision in the Munroe Falls case.
    Based on the typical length of time it takes for rulings, and decisions turned in on other cases, "we thought a decision would come out in July," Spon said.
    But four months later, those who are monitoring the case are still waiting.
    "They are taking a much longer time in determining what their decision will be," the law director said. "My guess is that their decision will be much more substantive, possibly with guidelines, rather than deciding very narrow questions."
    Spon added he has been surprised to learn that at any drilling company had filed new lawsuits in the interim prior to a decision that's likely to have great impact.
    The law director said those in the drilling industry are likely to watch the Ohio decision closely. "He (Preferred Fluids president Steve Mobley) still owns the land, so he's probably sitting back and waiting" for the state court to make a determination, he said.
    "My guess is that many lawsuits will be filed, over many years, to establish principles, based on decisions by the Supreme Court," he added.
    "I think there will be a lot of litigation after this decision. We're not looking foward to any litigation, but we believe we have a right to protect our community," Spon said.
    http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/...ling/19631955/
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    Additionally, they seem to view the case law that supports the notion that corporations are people too as being incorrect.
    I believe this to be incorrect. Corporations are regarded as persons, and the two are not synonymous.

    The reason I believe they missed the root of the matter is that they failed to take the next step and say that municipalities do not have the right to rule individuals; that individuals also have the right to "home rule".
    Absolutely correct. And why is this so? Because there are no such things as municipalities, states, governments, and so forth, in sé. These are but conceptual constructs whose proper purpose is but to serve as convenient shorthand terms for the sake of streamlining practical communications. They have no material reality whatsoever and no reality of any form beyond the human beings in whose minds these things exist as concepts. Therefore, all governments, states, etc., are fictions whose only reality are the individuals identified by themselves and their cohorts as being elements of those vaporous entities. They are no different in principal from my neighbors and myself declaring ourselves the Kings of America and demanding everybody do as we say and all the hot chicks give us sex whenever we want. The only thing that differentiates the Kings from the Federal Government of the United States, other than that we are far more intelligent, is that the rest of the people go along with the fiction of the latter and they laugh at that of the former. It's all about the chain of obedience.

    Regarding corporations as people, they skirt around the fact that corporations are entirely fictional constructs of government which is itself a fictional construct which is a result of the myth of "authority".
    Fictional constructs of another fictional construct. We really do live in the Matrix. I'm not joking - it is the actual fabric of our reality; a synthetic hologram of belief that has everybody so snowed they cannot tell their asses from the hole in the outhouse throne.

    As for the "rights of nature", that's just silly because who is to say what nature's "rights" are? It would require that someone determine them and who would do that and why is their opinion any more valid than anyone else's opinion? (it isn't).
    Here you are mistaken, IMO. Natural rights can be derived simply and directly from the Cardinal Postulate which states:

    "All men hold equal claims to life."

    The derivation is short, sweet, simple, intuitively obvious, and the proper chain of reason of the derivation is utterly unbreakable. The only question in the entire quesiton is whether one accepts the truth value of the Postulate itself. To accept it is to pave a simple, elegant, and intuitively clear path to knowledge. To reject it opens a wild can of worms that knows no bottom or other limit in terms of never finding an end to the questions that rejection raises. While it is true that one could engage in endless and highly pedantic metaphysical discussions, arguments, and open warfare on what I am sure is an endless litany of contrived fine points about the Postulate, such efforts constitute an utter waste of time and an almost guaranteed failure to produce any proof to its contradiction.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I believe this to be incorrect. Corporations are regarded as persons, and the two are not synonymous.
    Sorry, I was careless with the terminology.



    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Here you are mistaken, IMO. Natural rights can be derived simply and directly from the Cardinal Postulate which states:

    "All men hold equal claims to life."

    The derivation is short, sweet, simple, intuitively obvious, and the proper chain of reason of the derivation is utterly unbreakable. The only question in the entire quesiton is whether one accepts the truth value of the Postulate itself. To accept it is to pave a simple, elegant, and intuitively clear path to knowledge. To reject it opens a wild can of worms that knows no bottom or other limit in terms of never finding an end to the questions that rejection raises. While it is true that one could engage in endless and highly pedantic metaphysical discussions, arguments, and open warfare on what I am sure is an endless litany of contrived fine points about the Postulate, such efforts constitute an utter waste of time and an almost guaranteed failure to produce any proof to its contradiction.

    By "rights of nature", I am not referring to "natural rights" of man. I'm talking about assigning rights to trees, streams, oceans, etc. http://therightsofnature.org/

    Am I misinterpreting your reply?
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    By "rights of nature", I am not referring to "natural rights" of man. I'm talking about assigning rights to trees, streams, oceans, etc. http://therightsofnature.org/

    Am I misinterpreting your reply?
    Ah, I see. I misunderstood your precise meaning. Thanks for clarifying.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.



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