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    Microsoft Defies Court Order, Will Not Give Emails to US Government

    http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrot...-us-government

    excerpts:
    Despite a federal court order directing Microsoft to turn overseas-held email data to federal authorities, the software giant said Friday it will continue to withhold that information as it waits for the case to wind through the appeals process. The judge has now ordered both Microsoft and federal prosecutors to advise her how to proceed by next Friday, September 5.

    This is the first time a technology company has resisted a US search warrant seeking data that is held outside the United States.

    In the view of Microsoft and many legal experts, federal authorities have no jurisdiction over data stored outside the country. It says that the court order violates Ireland's sovereignty and that prosecutors need to seek a legal treaty with Ireland in order to obtain the data they want.

    Judge Preska of course feels differently, and she has consistently agreed with the prosecution argument that the physical location of email is irrelevant because Microsoft controls the data from its base in the United States.



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    Now if Obama would just increase Microsoft's visa limit via executive action, they could probably find a way to import that data back into the US...
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    Don't trust Microsoft.
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    I'm sure Obozo and the real "Holder" of drugs that is, will protect Microsoft ..

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    'cause you never know, Microsoft should immediately transfer (and archive) all their Emails
    using the exact same systems and procedures that the irs used for Lois Lerner's Emails...

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    Three cheers for Microsoft!!!

    Can I hear a 'woot woot'!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindLiberty View Post
    'cause you never know, Microsoft should immediately transfer (and archive) all their Emails
    using the exact same systems and procedures that the irs used for Lois Lerner's Emails...
    that would be an amazing defense... can you imagine.. microsoft using the same system and excuses as the IRS.

    maybe microsoft is taking a stand after seeing how govt doesnt even follow its own rules. There comes a point when people (and companies I imagine) lose all respect for the lawlessness that is corrupt govt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    This is the first time a technology company has resisted a US search warrant seeking data that is held outside the United States.
    One can never be too certain about what ultimately motivates humans. M$ began life with custom US Gov't. kneepads, sucking away for all they were worth. Now all of a sudden they are having either an attack of conscience or are attempting to assert their rights in the face of the master's intrusions? Is this more circus, or has enough time passed since Gates had any real influence there such that the current crew, perhaps disgusted by Bill's all-too-plainly whorish bent, decided it is time to adopt a new position on such matters?

    Perhaps, as mentioned in the post above this one, things have gone so far down the tube with the endless corruption of government that even M$ is seeing the necessity to resist, lest they also be dragged into the bottomless abyss they perhaps once believed was reserved only for we, the little people.

    Whatever the truth maybe, it appears to underscore the old saw about not being able to trust human beings to be anything but treacherous in larger groups where perfidious vested interests are in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    Three cheers for Microsoft!!!

    Can I hear a 'woot woot'!?
    Yea, well... I'm having a little trouble overlooking the deliberate backdoors that they put into their products. They're probably just thumbing their nose at the government, knowing full well that the NSA probably has all of this information anyway. (Snowden leaks that exposd MS made them look very bad)

    Msoft sold out and betrayed the trust of their customers. It'll take a whole lot more than this to get a woot from me.

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    Let's look between the NWO lines:

    "In the view of Microsoft and many legal experts, federal authorities have no jurisdiction over data stored outside the country. It says that the court order violates Ireland's sovereignty and that prosecutors need to seek a legal treaty with Ireland in order to obtain the data they want"

    Yep, just what I thought.

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    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...erseas-emails/
    In privacy victory, Microsoft wins appeal over foreign data warrant
    Justice Dept. said it's "considering" its options in response to the appeal.

    Microsoft has won an appeal over US search warrant that aimed to force the company to turn over data it stored overseas.

    The Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York reversed the decision in a 63-page decision on Thursday.
    The case centered on a uniquely-different warrant that was issued by US prosectors in that it was for data stored in an email account stored by Microsoft overseas. Prosecutors said that because the data was hosted by a US-based company, Microsoft must comply.

    But the judges concluded that Congress did not intend the law used in the case -- the Stored Communications Act -- to apply outside the US.

    Judge Gerard Lynch said in added remarks it was a "rational policy outcome" and should be "celebrated as a milestone in protecting privacy".

    "The warrant in this case may not lawfully be used to compel Microsoft to produce to the government the contents of a customer's email account stored exclusively in Ireland. Because Microsoft has otherwise complied with the warrant, it has no remaining lawful obligation to produce materials to the government," the ruling said.

    The appeals court also reversed a charge of contempt, which allowed the company to trigger an appeal.

    The software giant has been battling US prosecutors for two years over data held in its Dublin, Ireland datacenter, which it said cannot be accessed or retrieved by a US search warrant.




    Both Microsoft and Irish authorities have long asked the US government to go through the international mutual legal assistance treaties set up between the two countries.

    Realizing the implications, a number of companies filed "friends of the court" briefs in Microsoft's defense. Verizon submitted an amicus brief in Microsoft's support, concerned that its overseas data could also be at risk. Apple, AT&T, and Cisco also lent their support.

    A Justice Department spokesperson did not outright say if it will appeal the ruling.

    "We are disappointed with the court's decision and are considering our options. Lawfully accessing information stored by American providers outside the United States quickly enough to act on evolving criminal or national security threats that impact public safety is crucial to fulfilling our mission to protect citizens and obtain justice for victims of crime," said spokesperson Peter Carr.

    When reached, a Microsoft spokesperson did not immediately comment.


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    Whoa. So is it safe now to "upgrade" to Windows 10?
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    So this case is now going to the Supreme Court.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...ght/ar-AAtzFXA

    U.S. Supreme Court to decide major Microsoft email privacy fight

    WASHINGTON, Oct 16 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday agreed to resolve a major privacy dispute between the Justice Department and Microsoft Corp over whether prosecutors should get access to emails stored on company servers overseas.

    The justices will hear the Trump administration's appeal of a lower court's ruling last year preventing federal prosecutors from obtaining emails stored in Microsoft computer servers in Dublin, Ireland in a drug trafficking investigation.

    That decision by the New York-based 2nd U.S. Court of Appeals marked a victory for privacy advocates and technology companies that increasingly offer cloud computing services in which data is stored remotely.

    Microsoft, which has 100 data centers in 40 countries, was the first U.S. company to challenge a domestic search warrant seeking data held outside the country. There have been several similar challenges, most brought by Google.

    "If U.S. law enforcement can obtain the emails of foreigners stored outside the United States, what's to stop the government of another country from getting your emails even though they are located in the United States?" Brad Smith, Microsoft's president and chief legal officer, said in a blog post on Monday.

    The Justice Department said in its appeal that the lower court ruling "gravely threatens public safety and national security" because it limits the government's ability to "ward off terrorism and similar national security threats and to investigate and prosecute crimes."

    The case attracted significant attention from technology and media companies concerned that a ruling favoring the government could jeopardize the privacy of customers and make them less likely to use cloud services because of concern that data could be seized.

    The appeals court ruled that Microsoft could not be forced to turn over emails sought in the narcotics case that were stored in Dublin. The Microsoft customer in question had told the company he was based in Ireland when he signed up for his account.

    Though Microsoft is based in Washington state, the court said the emails were beyond the reach of U.S. domestic search warrants issued under a 1986 law called the Stored Communications Act.

    The Microsoft case is the second that the justices have agreed to hear in their current term that touches upon privacy rights in the digital age and the sheer amount of data on customers that companies now hold. The other case concerns whether police officers need a warrant to access historic location information on cell phone users that is held by wireless carriers.

    Rulings in both cases are due by the end of June.

    BEYOND THE REACH

    In the Microsoft dispute, the Justice Department asked the appeals court to rehear the case but in January the full court split 4-4 on whether to do so, leaving the original decision intact.

    The lower court ruling put stored electronic communications held overseas beyond the reach of U.S. prosecutors even when there is probable cause that they contain evidence of a crime, Justice Department lawyers said in court papers.

    In the appeals court, Microsoft was supported by dozens of technology and media companies including Amazon, Apple, CNN and Verizon Communications, as well as the American Civil Liberties Union and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce business group.

    A coalition of 33 U.S. states and Puerto Rico backed the Justice Department's appeal.

    In the underlying case, the government in 2013 sought a warrant requiring information about a Microsoft email account that prosecutors believed was being used for narcotics trafficking. No further details about the investigation have been made public.

    The Supreme Court has twice in recent years ruled on major cases concerning how criminal law applies to new technology, on each occasion ruling against law enforcement. In 2012, the court held that a warrant is required to place a GPS tracking device on a vehicle. In 2014, the court ruled that police need a warrant to search a cellphone seized during an arrest.
    MS has definitely been fighting on the good side of this case and holding strong for 4 years now.



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