Obama Admin to grab guns from 4.2 mil using Social Security

[tod evans]

Obama looks to ban Social Security recipients from owning guns

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...m-owning-guns/

The Obama administration wants to keep people collecting Social Security benefits from owning guns if it is determined they are unable to manage their own affairs, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The push, which could potentially affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others, is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws that prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the United States illegally, and others, according to the paper.

The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease” – which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported.

If Social Security, which has never taken part in the background check system, uses the same standard as the Department of Veterans Affairs – which is the idea floated – then millions of beneficiaries could be affected, with about 4.2 million adults receiving monthly benefits that are managed by “representative payees.”

The latest move is part of the efforts by President Obama to strengthen gun control following the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in 2012.

Critics are blasting the plan, saying that expanding the list of people who cannot own guns based on financial competence is wrongheaded.

The ban, they argue, would keep guns out of the hands of some dangerous people, but would also include people who simply have a bad memory or have a hard time balancing a checkbook.

The background check for gun ownership started in 1993 by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, named after White House Press Secretary James Brady, who was partially paralyzed after being shot in the 1981 assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan.

Gun stores are required to run the names of potential buyers through a computerized system before every sale.

[Origanalist]

Obama looks to ban Social Security recipients from owning guns

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...m-owning-guns/

The Obama administration wants to keep people collecting Social Security benefits from owning guns if it is determined they are unable to manage their own affairs, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The push, which could potentially affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others, is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws that prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the United States illegally, and others, according to the paper.

The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease” – which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported.

If Social Security, which has never taken part in the background check system, uses the same standard as the Department of Veterans Affairs – which is the idea floated – then millions of beneficiaries could be affected, with about 4.2 million adults receiving monthly benefits that are managed by “representative payees.”

The latest move is part of the efforts by President Obama to strengthen gun control following the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in 2012.

Critics are blasting the plan, saying that expanding the list of people who cannot own guns based on financial competence is wrongheaded.

The ban, they argue, would keep guns out of the hands of some dangerous people, but would also include people who simply have a bad memory or have a hard time balancing a checkbook.

The background check for gun ownership started in 1993 by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, named after White House Press Secretary James Brady, who was partially paralyzed after being shot in the 1981 assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan.

Gun stores are required to run the names of potential buyers through a computerized system before every sale.

I have been reading about this. Another "keep us safe" measure by government guaranteed to be abused.

[Ronin Truth]

Yep, us armed geezers are HUGE criminal gun use threats. Just check the national crime stats.

[mrsat_98]

Yep, us armed geezers are HUGE criminal gun use threats. Just check the national crime stats.

He is only taking them from old farts, its for their children .

[Sola_Fide]

[Origanalist]

Not if Obama has his way.

[Ronin Truth]

Hidden secret Bill of Rights sub clause: Amendment 2 does not apply to folks over 65.

[donnay]

See how the lie of SS being a voluntary thing turned into a control measure?

People were told it would never be used as identification either. They keep on telling us lies and people keep on trusting them. SMDH.

[euphemia]

Whole lot of veterans in that group.

[oyarde]

Does Social Security have SWAT teams like every other govt agency , dept of ed. etc ?

[fisharmor]

Whole lot of veterans in that group.

And most of them are still totally comfortable with what they did.
A lot of them went overseas and burned down people's homes and shot their breadwinners, just because the US Government told them to.

I don't see that lot rising up over this.

[Danke]

Hidden secret Bill of Rights sub clause: Amendment 2 does not apply to folks over 65.

Being part of the "militia" was until the age of 45 I think. (Just using liberal logic).

[Occam's Banana]

The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease” [...]

A club "restricts" membership to people who are he-man woman-haters. What kind of people are in that club?

If your job is to competently inform people about things like "the language of federal gun laws," then it would behoove you to be able to use "the language of English" competently ...

[oyarde]

Being part of the "militia" was until the age of 45 I think. (Just using liberal logic).

I think the current state Constitution where I am says everyone over 17.

[Danke]

I think the current state Constitution where I am says everyone over 17.

Even Injuns?

[oyarde]

Even Injuns?

I think it only exempts objectors .

[oyarde]

Even Injuns?

I doubt they know there are any left , most were asked to leave prior to the 1840's ,probably half never did. We came here from further East after the Revolution. It was swampy here then and it was deemed undesirable by settlers.The other tribes that were still here were happy to have us .Then , the Great Earthquake drained much of the waters to the South .Are you familiar with the Great Earthquake ? Then , the land became more desirable.

[Intoxiklown]

This is why I hope people (who are financially able) try to have more weapons than needed. I am most proud of the fact (which a lot of people have seen me say numerous times here) that I have enough "combat designed" weapons to arm an entire platoon with rifles and sidearms.

Before someone wants to rep me for the above though, I can't take credit for that mindset. It was a few years ago. and a member here was showing his AR collection, and stated his goal was to be able to arm friends and family should the need arise. He then went onto explain that contrary to popular belief, you didn't need these huge numbers to be effective in that possibility, just company size. I thought about it, and realized how right he is. Which is why I try to rep him every chance I get...lol.

[jllundqu]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...-and-bear-arms

As the L.A. Times reported on July 18, the Social Security Administration (SSA) is currently developing a program to strip the Second Amendment Rights of over four million Americans currently receiving SSA benefits through a “representative payee.” Not only would this amount to the largest gun grab in American history, but according to the published report, would take place without any due process protections for recipients, amounting to a nullification of Second Amendment rights for millions of Americans who don’t pose a threat to themselves or anyone else.

This new program appears to have been instigated by the SSA in response to a memorandum issued by Obama in January of 2013 which directed all federal agency executives to “improve the availability of records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).” This memorandum required all agency heads to submit to the Department of Justice (DOJ) a plan for “sharing all relevant Federal records” for submission to the NICS.

Evidently, Obama’s SSA bureaucrats read “all relevant Federal records” to mean all Social Security recipients who have a “representative payee” assigned to their accounts to help them manage their payments and receipts. Obviously, many individuals swept up in this egregious case of bureaucratic over-reach would not otherwise be prohibited from owning, possessing, or acquiring firearms under federal law.

The federal prohibitions against acquiring or possessing firearms apply to those “adjudicated as a mental defective,” among others. The term “adjudication,” however, refers to a determination made after a judicial-type process that includes various due process protections. In no case does the federal law describe or contemplate the type of prohibition by bureaucratic fiat exercised by the SSA in developing its guidelines for those with “representative payees” assigned to their accounts.

Here they come!

[Ronin Truth]

Not quite yet there, Bucko. Oklahama says I'm still OK for both concealed and/or open carry.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

"Oh just register your guns, what's the worst that could happen?"

[Ronin Truth]

"Oh just register your guns, what's the worst that could happen?"

I like my guns like Obama likes his voters: undocumented.

"IF the government cannot trust the people with guns, can the people trust the government?"

"Governments prefer unarmed peasants."

"Politicians love disarmed peasants."

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[Zippyjuan]

Obama was supposedly going to take everybody's guns the minute he took office. Thousands went on buying sprees to stock up while they still could. Still waiting for him to take them all away after six years.

[JK/SEA]

take my guns at 65?....

$#@! that.

[morfeeis]

Obama was supposedly going to take everybody's guns the minute he took office. Thousands went on buying sprees to stock up while they still could. Still waiting for him to take them all away after six years.

He has tried almost every year he has been in office, he's inept.

[Zippyjuan]

I thought he was the Almighty and All Powerful Obama who can do whatever he wants despite whatever the Constitution says. Now he is just inept and can't do anything?

(of course if he is inept on this subject it would still not be something to worry about).

Examples of gun seizures?

[oyarde]

"Oh just register your guns, what's the worst that could happen?"

Thanks , I will pass .

[Danke]

I thought he was the Almighty and All Powerful Obama who can do whatever he wants despite whatever the Constitution says. Now he is just inept and can't do anything?

(of course if he is inept on this subject it would still not be something to worry about).

Examples of gun seizures?

You love Obama, we get it already.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes. I want to have babies with him.

[Danke]

Yes. I want to have babies with him.

Pretty bad deflection.