GMO: The market is finally starting to work despite corporatism's best efforts

[GunnyFreedom]

For those around here who keep insisting that "there is no real public interest in GMO-Free products or they would be everywhere." Uh huh. That's why every time the market is permitted to express an opinion on the matter, this kind of thing happens:

http://www.robynobrien.com/_blog/Ins...n-gmo-burrito/

Wall Street's Leading Indicator: A Non GMO Burrito
Robyn O'Brien - Thursday, January 02, 2014

Wall Street sent Chipotle’s stock soaring when they announced that they were dumping genetically engineered ingredients from their food in 2014. The stock was up almost 72% year to date on the announcement in October, and the following Friday, the stock soared 15% to an all time high.

It's not the first time this has happened. Wall Street fell in love with Annie's IPO last year over a bowl of mac and cheese that wasn't loaded with junk.

In a free market, supply rises to meet demand. In a controlled corporatist market, supply is controlled in an attempt to control demand. The market is more powerful than the corporatist schemes or this kind of thing would not be happening. Thank goodness that the force of the market is finally starting to erode the statist corporatist controls and regulations.

[phill4paul]

I agree. I have no further to look than the downtown farmers markets that are springing up everywhere.

[liberalnurse]

VICTORY FOR CONSUMERS: GENERAL MILLS ANNOUNCES THAT ORIGINAL CHEERIOS ARE NOW NON-GMO

WASHINGTON, Jan. 2, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- With 40,000 Facebook posts from consumers who took part in GMO Inside's campaign calling on General Mills to make Cheerios non-GMO (http://gmoinside.org/cheerios/), General Mills today posted its statement on GMOs http://cheerios.com/en/Articles/cheerios-and-gmos. The company states: "It's the unique and simple nature of original Cheerios that made this possible – and even that required significant investment over nearly a year," and "we were able to change how we source and handle ingredients to ensure that the corn starch for original Cheerios comes only from non-GMO corn, and our sugar is only non-GMO pure cane sugar."

http://news.yahoo.com/victory-consum...212500170.html

[Feeding the Abscess]

VICTORY FOR CONSUMERS: GENERAL MILLS ANNOUNCES THAT ORIGINAL CHEERIOS ARE NOW NON-GMO

http://news.yahoo.com/victory-consum...212500170.html

Well, we're talking about Cheerios, so... people still shouldn't be eating that stuff.

[ghengis86]

Well, we're talking about Cheerios, so... people still shouldn't be eating that stuff.

Yes, a high carb/wheat diet isn't ideal. But getting a major wheat buyer to specify non-GMO supplies is awesome. It Raises the demand, making it more economically viable for farmers to cultivate non-GMO crops, and furthers market awareness of the increasing selection preferences against GMO.

So while worth mentioning, the dietary habits of the general pop are for another discussion. although if people are waking up to the dangers of GMO, the likelihood that they will also wake up to the dangers of the standard American diet (SAD) increases concomitantly.

[donnay]

FTW!

[XNavyNuke]

I agree. I have no further to look than the downtown farmers markets that are springing up everywhere.

Yet, how many of those intelligent consumers ask the market vendors the cultivar of the fruit and vegetables that they are buying and the seed source? A lot of feel good marketing.

XNN

[phill4paul]

Yet, how many of those intelligent consumers ask the market vendors the cultivar of the fruit and vegetables that they are buying and the seed source? A lot of feel good marketing.

XNN

I know two of the farmers that participate in the local one and have visited a couple of the meat producers farms. They are all very knowledgeable, open to sharing this knowledge and believe in bringing a healthier choice to market. Results of course may vary.

[mosquitobite]

Yet, how many of those intelligent consumers ask the market vendors the cultivar of the fruit and vegetables that they are buying and the seed source? A lot of feel good marketing.

XNN

I would say that many are just feel good shopping.

But, at least here, most of the farmers at the market are highly aware of the monopoly that Monsanto is trying to push and are there to counter it - thus they avoid GMO seed and any brand of seed that Monsanto owns.

Same here for my backyard garden - I actually research before buying seed.

[FrankRep]

FTW!

Yes, thank you. This is the real solution.


Non-GMO Project
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

[FrankRep]

GMO: The market is finally starting to work despite corporatism's best efforts

Speaking of corporatism, Chipotle is a Corporation.

[GunnyFreedom]

Speaking of corporatism, Chipotle is a Corporation.

You've been here how long and you don't know the difference between corporatism and a corporation?

[FrankRep]

You've been here how long and you don't know the difference between corporatism and a corporation?

I blame the government, not corporations.

[Acala]

But . . but . . . forcing my values on people at gunpoint is so much quicker!!!

[FrankRep]

But . . but . . . forcing my values on people at gunpoint is so much quicker!!!

No one has a gun to your head and forcing you to eat GMO.

[GunnyFreedom]

I blame the government, not corporations.

So, what you are saying is that you do not know what 'corporatism' means then.

[GunnyFreedom]

No one has a gun to your head and forcing you to eat GMO.

Nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy low-flow toilets and CFL lightbulbs either, and yet there we recognize fascism as evil. Somehow, when it comes to GMO however, half the libertarian movement loves them some fascism. SMDH. Heil frikkin Mussolini.

[FrankRep]

Nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy low-flow toilets and CFL lightbulbs either, and yet there we recognize fascism as evil. Somehow, when it comes to GMO however, half the libertarian movement loves them some fascism. SMDH. Heil frikkin Mussolini.

With Fascism, Corporatism, or Socialism: There's one thing in common: Big Government.

[GunnyFreedom]

With Fascism, Corporatism, or Socialism: There's one thing in common: Big Government.

Of course. According to the expert, that is the guy who basically invented modern fascism, fascism is corporatism. And yes, the government is at the heart of it. But that doesn't mitigate the culpability of those corporations who choose to enable it. Nobody is forcing them to hire lobbyists to buy legislators and regulators to pass laws and regulations to force competition out of the market, they are taking advantage of the fascistic nature of American government.

Perhaps the contractor who constructed the Auschwitz camp justified it to himself saying "well, if I didn't build it they would just find somebody else to build it." Do you think that makes the guy who built Auschwitz innocent? The Federal Reserve is a private cartel of banking interests, so since they aren't elected that means they are totally guiltless for the state of the economy?

Come on Frank, just because some group describes themselves as a private business does not auto-magically mean they can do no wrong. Fascism could not exist except for the cooperation of the business sector.

[FrankRep]

Of course. According to the expert, that is the guy who basically invented modern fascism, fascism is corporatism. And yes, the government is at the heart of it.

Are you talking about this fake quote?

Fake Quote Files: Benito Mussolini on Fascism and Corporatism
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com...d-corporatism/

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.”

[Acala]

No one has a gun to your head and forcing you to eat GMO.

Since you missed the point, allow me to elucidate - I adopted a satiric voice to mock those who advocate outlawing or forcing GMO producers to label their products in a certain way.

However, I don't eat much, if any, GMO food primarily because I don't eat grain. I really have no opinion on the health effects of GMO.

[GunnyFreedom]

Are you talking about this fake quote?

Fake Quote Files: Benito Mussolini on Fascism and Corporatism
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com...d-corporatism/

Did you even read the piece you posted, or did you just jump at the chance to 'score points?' While denying the legitimacy of the quote, the article goes on to back up pretty much everything I am saying, including WRT Mussolini's philosophy that 'corporatism is a necessary feature of a fascist state.'

The author says "split the difference between laissez faire and socialism" but the modern parlance is "a mixed economy" which we have. They had a National Council of Corporations, and we have the FDA, FCC, USDA, etc ad nauseum.

The author of the piece you cite goes even further to split hairs to say that we do not have government central planning of the economy instead we have favors and incentives (as if there was a difference lol) and furthermore, the article completely justifies our current mess by saying that in traditional fascism you had the government taking over the markets, but we here have businesses taking over the government, which is apparently OK.

That flies directly in the face of your earlier position that "big government is at fault and not corporations." If that article is correct, and corporations are in charge of this mess, then 'big government' is just a bystander, no?

So you post an article that destroys your own argument, largely backs up my argument (despite his being somehow OK with a corporate controlled government SMH) all because you saw it derogate one quote you thought I was referencing and thought you would score points.

How about you try 'discovering the truth' instead of 'scoring points' and see if that leads to better outcomes next time?

[dannno]

No one has a gun to your head and forcing you to eat GMO.

If you read the thread you would see that the major complaint is that the government restricts the ability of the market to permit the communication to the customer regarding whether the product is GMO free, and most of all by restricting them from educating the consumer on what they believe the dangers of GMO might be.

This is a first amendment issue.

[pcosmar]

Well, we're talking about Cheerios, so... people still shouldn't be eating that stuff.

I like Cheerios.

Not as my whole diet,, But as a breakfast choice.

[GunnyFreedom]

Indeed, if anything, direct quotes from Mussolini's writings are even more damning than the quote you object to:

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.

[FrankRep]

So I guess the question is:

Will the forces of Corporatism destroy Chipotle for using Non-GMO food?

[GunnyFreedom]

So I guess the question is:

Will the forces of Corporatism destroy Chipotle for using Non-GMO food?

That's not really how it works. The effort heretofore has been to prevent disclosure, and then force out non-GMO by undercutting the price; the reasoning being that if people had disclosure they may well choose the more expensive non-GMO anyway. Now that market demand has been indisputably demonstrated, you can't stuff the genie back into the bottle. Nobody can claim that people don't care anymore, because a 72% increase in valuation demonstrates that people care very much indeed.

There has been a demand for some time, and supply was failing to meet demand because the market was broken at the impetus of regulatory agencies captured by the interests promoting GMO in the first place. What they failed to account for is that you can only suppress the natural movements of the market for so long before the pressure overwhelms the controls, or you have to break out with violence.

We are not so far gone yet that Congress could get away with an actual ban on non-GMO foods, and the increased stock valuation will keep shareholders at bay. There will still be efforts to artificially prop up GMO via regulatory control, but it's too late for Chipotle, that genie has already gotten out of the bottle and nobody has the leverage to even try and stuff it back in.

[FrankRep]

That's not really how it works. The effort heretofore has been to prevent disclosure, and then force out non-GMO by undercutting the price; the reasoning being that if people had disclosure they may well choose the more expensive non-GMO anyway. Now that market demand has been indisputably demonstrated, you can't stuff the genie back into the bottle.

Here's the free market solution to disclosure.

[GunnyFreedom]

Here's the free market solution to disclosure.

You know, I'm getting pretty sick of repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ...

That project is new. It only exists because market forces ran away and out of control of the USDA and the FDA. People were massing in protests while the government was actively disallowing such labelling. The FDA still disallows the labelling on non-GMO salmon because it is "too confusing for the consumer." The FDA still prohibits the labeling of dairy as rBGH-Free for the same reason.

Why is this OK with you?

Government holding a gun to the heads of free enterprise is evil for everything except for food then it's OK?

The fact that the non-GMO project exists is proof demonstrating exactly what I have been saying in this thread. There is too much demand for the FDA to keep suppressing. The demand has been there for years. The project has existed for months. The fact that there is now demonstrable proof that there is a huge demand, but supply is still moving so slowly to meet is demonstrates that the market is broken.

Don't you care that the government is breaking the market to benefit their chosen cronies? If the market were not broken, the supply would have leapt to meet demand, as the free market system demands.

Why is it that the government crapping on the market for lightbulbs pisses you off, but when they do it for food not only are you OK with it you DEFEND it?

The fact that there is now a legal incandescent alternative to CFL (rough service) does not negate the fact that the government has banned incandescents and that's wrong. The fact that you can go crap in the woods does not change the fact that government requires low-flow toilets.

Have the GMO's been eating away your brain or what?

Why is fascism evil for everything else but somehow good when it comes to food?

[FrankRep]

You know what I say?

Abolish the FDA and USDA.

Too bad Gunny disagrees.