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    Did Russia Just Bomb US Armed "Free Syrian Army" Rebels?

    Russia: 'Free Syrian Army No Longer Exists'



    David Cameron warns Kremlin over strikes targeting Free Syria Army
    International Business Times UK‎ - 8 hours ago

    Vladimir Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil'
    Telegraph.co.uk‎ - 1 hour ago

    Russia launches first air strikes in Syria as non-Isis rebels claim they are being targeted
    The Independent‎ - 11 hours ago


    On Wednesday, Russia began bombing Syrian rebels, apparently unaffiliated with the Islamic State, in a major escalation of the 54-month war that has the US searching for answers.

    The bombing campaign "completely bypasses every bit of legitimate discussion we've had with them so far," a defense official told Politico.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama had reportedly agreed about fighting ISIS and opening lines of communication between their militaries to prevent any accidental conflict.

    But on Wednesday the Russians gave the US very little notice before bombing rebel groups fighting the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, a close ally of Russia.

    This morning a Russian 3-star general walked across street to the US embassy in Baghdad and told them

    'We bomb in 1 hour,


    Stay out of our way.'
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    Preemptive strike is how you fight terrorism – Putin on Syrian engagement

    Published time: 30 Sep, 2015 12:48Edited time: 30 Sep, 2015 15:13
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    Russia will deliver preemptive strikes against terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, commenting on Russia’s airstrike campaign against ISIS forces in Syria.
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    READ MORE: Russian parliament unanimously approves use of military in Syria to fight ISIS

    Despite its name, Islamic State has little to do with the religion of Islam, the Russian leader said. Radicals from many countries of the world, including Russia, have flocked to Iraq and Syria to join the terrorist group. They must be defeated there and not allowed to return to their home countries with battle experience and ideology adopted in the war zone, Putin believes.

    He said Moscow is interested in other nations joining its counterterrorism effort in Syria. Those willing to do so can join the intelligence sharing center in Baghdad, which Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran established in the run-up to the operation, the president said.

    He stressed that Russia is acting in accordance with international law, by dint of having an invitation from Damascus to assist Syria militarily. He said it was the only proper way to fight terrorism, referring to the US-led coalition, which is bombing IS targets in Syria uninvited and with no mandate from the UN Security Council.

    The conflict in Syria is a complex one with genuine domestic troubles at its origin, but it was greatly worsened by the intervention of foreign actors, Putin said.

    Russia opposes the notion maintained by the US and its allies that Syrian President Bashar Assad has to step down for the Syrian problem to be resolved. But Moscow expects Assad to be flexible when the terrorist threat is eliminated and a political transition is needed in the country, the Russian president said.

    http://www.rt.com/news/317041-preemp...tin-terrorism/
















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    Last I heard there were 5 fighters trained by the US in Syria (Was it $100 million a head?). Bet Russia didn't hit them.
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    Propaganda War Begins: Russia's Syria Strikes Targeted US-Backed "Moderate" Rebels, West Says
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...e-rebels-west-

    With the US having officially lost control of the narrative in Syria now that The Kremlin has called Washington’s bluff on the battle to eradicate ISIS and eliminate the Sunni extremist elements that threaten to wrest control of Syria from President Bashar al-Assad, the only remaining question after Russian lawmakers officially cleared the way for airstrikes was how long it would be before the Western media began shouting about Russian warplanes bombing targets that aren’t affiliated with ISIS.
    [...]
    In turn, the West wasted no time in contending that Russia is targeting areas that aren’t known to be strategically significant for ISIS. Here’s a look at two headlines which do a nice job of summarizing all of the rhetoric which you’re about to hear emanating ceaselessly from every corner of the Western world in the coming days and weeks:

    U.S. IS CONCERNED RUSSIA'S INTENT IS PROTECTING ASSAD: KERRY
    U.S. HAS 'GRAVE CONCERNS' IF RUSSIA STRIKES OUTSIDE ISIL AREAS

    And here’s WSJ with a sneak peek at the new narrative which Washington will be working hard to refine:
    [...]
    Yes, “relatively moderate rebel factions like al-Qaeda" (check the above, WSJ actually said that) which in July kidnapped the commander and deputy commander of the Pentagon’s ragtag group of US-trained rebels that was supposed to number in the thousands by now but has been reduced to just “four or five” men and which was humiliated last Friday when the remaining fighters were forced to surrender their pickup trucks and ammo to al-Nusra in order to “secure safe passage” to who knows where.
    [...]
    There are two things to note here. First, there isn't anything "curious" about this and Vladimir Putin has made no secret of his intent to keep the Assad regime from falling. Indeed, it's not clear what else Putin could do besides invite Charlie Rose for a two hour interview and explain three separate times that Moscow intends to support Assad. Second, Germany's suggestion that Russia is "slamming shut all the doors to cooperation" is ridiculous to the point of absurdity. As the events that have unfolded over the past several weeks have made abundantly clear, it is the West that has slammed the door shut on Russia when it comes to cooperating to fight ISIS and the reason for Washington's trepidation stems directly from i) wanting to oust Assad at all costs even if it means allowing the extremists operating in Syria to remain active until the regime falls, and ii) the fact that no matter what line The White House trots out to the public, the US views the Russia-Iran "nexus" as far more dangerous to America's geopolitical ambitions than ISIS and therefore, allying with Washington's two fiercest foreign policy critics simply isn't an option even if such an alliance would swiftly eradicate Islamic State.
    [...]
    The bottom line going forward is that the US and its regional and European allies are going to have to decide whether they want to be on the right side of history here or not, and as we've been careful to explain, no one is arguing that Bashar al-Assad is the most benevolent leader in the history of statecraft but it has now gotten to the point where Western media outlets are describing al-Qaeda as "moderate" in a last ditch effort to explain away Washington's unwillingness to join Russia in stabilizing Syria. This is a foreign policy mistake of epic proportions on the part of the US and the sooner the West concedes that and moves to correct it by admitting that none of the groups the CIA, the Pentagon, and Washington's Mid-East allies have trained and supported represent a viable alternative to the Assad regime, the sooner Syria will cease to be the chessboard du jour for a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead.
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    Did Russia Just Bomb US Armed Syrian Rebels?
    Do you mean ISIS, ISIL, or Al Queda?

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    multiple tubes here

    http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-r.../27279519.html


    a major with the anti-Assad Free Syrian Army claims his troops were bombed by Russian jets

    []

    The opposition activists say there is no IS presence in Talbisah or any of the other nearby areas -- Al-Lataminah, Zaafrana, Tal Wassit -- that have been mentioned in reports of possible strikes.
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    So there are 5 US trained rebels in the entire country there and Russia managed to pick them off on their first few bombs. That's pretty impressive.

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    Even so if they did good riddance to bad breath. They cant even name one single FSA moderate group to the News Media expect to rephrase them as FSA.

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    Russia has just played jujitsu, and checkmated the US War and Empire machine 5 ways to Sunday. The US says they want an end to ISIS, a coalition of countries aligned to do so, the UN on board, a regional plan to end the conflict, and an end to the Syrian refugee crisis. Well, Russia has stepped in to fight ISIS, put a coalition together including Israel and Iraq, asked the UN to formally agree to it, announced a plan to end the conflict, and stop the refugee issue.

    What can the US really say in response? "Nah, we didn't mean it..." Or: "Wait a minute! Only we can barge in and be the world's policeman!" All the excuses for not getting anything accomplished in a year, have been scuttled by Russia in a matter of days. They were all pretexts for continuing US domination in the area, and for deposing another ruler not controlled by the US. The Russian involvement via air strikes has ended that, and scotched the attempt by the hawks to steal the airspace of another sovereign nation, by saying they can't fly planes over their own country.
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    Putin calls America's Bluff over ISIS and the USG is caught in its own big lies.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/29/checkmate/

    In one of the craftiest acts of diplomacy and statesmanship in history, Vladimir Putin has called America’s bluff over ISIS which is now being referred to as the Islamic State.

    And in the process President Putin has created a complete checkmate against the secret mercenary army ISIS which is attacking Syria and the Kurds on behalf of secret Intel factions in America, Israel, the Saudi Arabia, and Turkey.

    And the result? The Establishment disguised as the USG and its secret terrorist CIA mercenary army called ISIS have been caught and are now trapped in their own big lies with no easy way out. And this amazing checkmate created by Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin is generating more and more exposure of these big USG lies by the day. Unless this CIA mercenary army is immediately evacuated it will be completely decimated in the coming days and weeks along with Israeli and Saudi mercenaries who are also part of ISIS.

    Putin has done all this by announcing the formation of a broad international coalition to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq and by taking the initiative of sending significant military aid to Assad’s forces in Syria.

    During his visit to America this last week he has just ask President Obama to bring America into this international coalition. So far President Obama has neglected to pledge the American Military to join while instead continuing to call Assad a tyrant who drops barrel bombs on his own people, now proven to be a Big USG Lie.

    And in the meantime Putin has sent advanced high tech arms to Syria including MIG-31’s to help in President Assad’s battle to defeat ISIS and make certain he is not displaced by ISIS on Israel’s behalf.

    Putin believes that the people of Syria elected Assad in a free election and want him to stay in power and that Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria.

    And the Chinese have apparently also just announced they are sending military aid to Assad in his fight against ISIS, and we have at least one report that French air power has successfully attacked ISIS on the ground.

    Up until now the only ones fighting ISIS were Assad’s military and the Kurds. Although the US claimed to be dropping supplies to anti-ISIS forces, it is now apparent that almost all of these equipment and arms drops went to CIA backed ISIS mercenaries. Purely a coincidental mistake I’m sure.

    And on more than one occasion Israel has attacked Syrian forces instead of attacking ISIS as you would think they would want to do since they claim that this new Islamic state is their arch enemy. This is as suspicious of ISIS working for them as can be. Of course what Israel’s leaders really desire is to manipulate America into fighting ISIS as just another war for Israel as a part of its secret “Greater Israel” master expansion plan.

    The USG and Israeli officials have been harping for months now that strong action must be taken to stop ISIS. And yet as we now know for certain ISIS itself was set up by Israel and American Intel, with help from the Saudis and the Turks in a sort of secret factional coalition.

    We also know that ISIS was supplied by the American Army with large ammo and equipment dumps in Iraq that were purposely left behind and made conveniently available to this group of mercenaries.

    Yes, ISIS (aka ISIL, Daesh, El Nusra, etc.) like Al Qaeda (aka Al CIA Duh) is actually a group of mercenaries assembled, trained, paid for and supplied by a secret coalition of American, Israeli, Saudi and Turkish Intel factions.

    General Wesley Clark has revealed that the US DOD has had a secret agenda to take out seven Mideast nations. ISIS is a part of that Agenda which is really an extension of the *RKM’s World Zionist Agenda which has unfortunately infiltrated and hijacked much of the Pentagon, the US Congress and the US Administration.

    Fortunately there are some new folks in the American High Military Command and American Intel that refuse to continue to allow America to be used as Israel’s war machine and they are making sure that this incriminating information is being leaked and used to checkmate this illegal, unConstitutional and treasonous use of the American Military to fight any more wars for Israel and the RKM World Zionists.

    The secret but powerful influence of this new group of American heroes over the US Administration is now evident to all in President Obama’s refusal to deploy American Military Forces into a full scale war against ISIS.

    Were President Obama ever to allow the RKM stooges in the Pentagon to proceed with their intended air and ground war in Iraq, Syria and Iran, it would actually be phony cover used to actually take out Assad, Syria, the Kurds and then Iran, as the RKM and the Likudists have been pushing him to do.

    Some American Intel insiders have claimed that ISIS has been deeply aided by Senator John McCain and at least three retired US Generals, and point to actual photographs of some of these individuals consorting with ISIS commanders. If true, this is a very serious offense and a serious threat to real American National Security. Many would call it Treason, a capital offense.

    In reality ISIS was masterminded by the RKM World Zionists and the Likudists whose strategy has been to create a strong need for America and Europe intervention against ISIS, but with the actual goal of manipulating America into waging war against ISIS as a disguise for eliminating Assad and destroying Syria, the Kurds and then Iran.

    This massive immigration to Europe of civilians displaced from ISIS war zones has been orchestrated and financed by these same entities under RKM control and their objective is to force Europe to view the actual cause, their unwillingness to help stop ISIS.

    Some insiders believe that this mass immigration to Europe from the Mideast has been engineered as a punishment against European nations which are participating in the boycotting, divestiture and sanctioning of Israel (BDS movement) over its Apartheid, blockade, imprisonment, torture and genocide against Palestinians. The numerous movies now being watched by many in the Europeans on the Internet showing IDF snipers shooting unarmed, harmless little Palestinian children has been a major factor in the formation of this European BDS movement which is now spreading to America, Canada and the whole World, as did information about the cold blooded murder of Rachel Corrie by an Israeli bulldozer driver.

    After all, it was the RKM controllers that ordered ISIS into these areas to mass-murder and oppress innocent civilians. And it was also these same controllers that made sure the immigrants were provided with travel money to take the dangerous journey northward to Europe.


    When President Putin refers to assembling an international coalition to fight and defeat ISIS, what this really means is a new international effort spearheaded by Russian Federation and Chinese might to create a complete checkmate against RKM World Zionist power and their cutouts Israel and the American CIA (aka the Bush Crime Cabal BCC).

    This master statesman President Putin has now clearly trapped President Obama, the CIA, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey in their own monster lies about ISIS. If President Obama really believed what he stated about ISIS, he would jump at the opportunity to join and participate in the new international Coalition now being assembled against ISIS.

    What this major checkmate means in real terms is the certain coming end of City of London, RKM, and World Zionist Hegemony, including their Cutouts the Likudists, the Saudis, and the Bush Crime Cabal (aka the CIA), as well as American Homeland Security (DHS), the private police State Stasi-style army inside America.

    Along with this checkmate expect to see the end of the US Petro Dollar as the World’s Reserve Currency and the eventual dis-empowerment and end of the private Federal Reserve System which is the main money power source of the RKM World Zionist system.

    Yes, it is now obvious that the master statesman Vladimir Putin has fully exposed Israel, America, Saudi Arabia and Turkey for its blatant lies about ISIS and terrorism in general. Soon all the World will know that all terrorism is synthetically engineered by the RKM and its surrogates and cutouts (Israel, America, Saudi Arabia and Turkey) to drag the whole World into wars, chaos and mass death, all for massive profits for the RKM and its soulless associates.

    ISIS, ISIL, Daesh, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda etc. are all engineered false-flag constructs of Israel, America, Saudi Arabia and other Intel factions and are designed to serve as provocations to justify illegal, unprovoked wars for profit and access to other nations’ natural resources and land.

    Obviously the whole ISIS, ISIL, Daesh, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda phenomena is nothing more but secret false-flag terror, but this time the perps have gotten trapped, caught, and exposed in their own lies by a very crafty master statesman, Vladimir Putin.

    This is the age-old secret state tactic of creating terror attacks against one’s own nation or an allied nation, wrongly blaming it on one’s enemy, and using it as an excuse to go into a completely illegal, unjustified war against that “framed” enemy.

    This is what the 9-11-01 attack on America was, simply a false-flag attack done by Israel and Traitors in the USAF, JCS, NORAD, the FAA, and the US Administration and Pentagon as a false frame on Osama Bin Laden (Col. Tim Osman), and Afghanistan, and Saddam Hussein and Iraq. The true perps have so far skated but more and more American High Military Command learn this as each day passes. And the foreign press is now beginning to cover this story truthfully.

    Never before in recent US history has such massive hypocrisy of the CIA (BCC) and American leaders been so clearly exposed for all the World, including Americans, to see. By any estimate, President Putin has now hit a grand-slam home-run. This one will go down in the history books as one of the greatest acts of statesmanship and diplomacy ever attained by any World leader.

    Could we expect less from a man who is a master chess player and black belt in martial arts? Perhaps it’s time for America’s leaders to get serious about separating themselves from the RKM and Israel and stop allowing to them use America as their surrogate and provider.

    Certainly Bibi Netanyahu and the AIPAC Directors must be furious that so many Members of Congress already chose to violate their illegal, treasonous AIPAC Oaths to Israel by siding with President Obama in his approval and support of the P5 + 1 Iran Nuclear Power Agreement.

    What less could Bibi really expect from your typical Two-faced bought and sold, human compromised Member of Congress who can’t even keep their original Oaths of Office?

    ...

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    Lots of SHTF brewing over there. I don't even bother to post stuff here about it anymore. Anyone interested in foreign policy can see where this is going.

    Was just watching testimony to Congressional committee from some AEI hack on CSPAN. This ugly old neocon talking head was trying to tie Russia to "Islamic Extremists" and even hinted that 'ISIS' may have Russian components. Of course, he didn't mention that if there are they are mercenaries hired by the CIA, et al. It's like the buildup to Iraq invasion all over again but worse....only a question of when the next "9/11" will happen to justify it. It's going to be sooner than later with this rate of escalation.
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    Did Russia Just Bomb US Armed "Free Syrian Army" Rebels?
    Or were they just where the Russians were bombing.

    Probably shouldn't have been there.
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    Got to give US war machine credit for using the term "moderate" in arming Islamic Jihadist & fooling many rubes. Donald Rumsfield would be proud.

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    I wonder whether this will usher in a new era of brinksmanship.

    Obama is such a pussy - God, how can it stand itself?

    OTOH, this could actually be a good thing for America - though perhaps too little, too late. If Russia is making a statement here - a FOREIGN POLICY statement with respect to the USA, that places the ball in our court in terms of how to proceed. That could lead to said era of brinksmanship... or perhaps we might reel in some of our rank stupidity.

    Unfortunately, I suspect that much of the sobriety of the cold war generation of "leaders" is now gone, having been supplanted by one of fops, popinjays, and jackanapeses - just look at the likes of Obama as clear evidence of this. If so, I cannot lay claim to any meaningful confidence that some idiot at the top of the great steaming pile we call the "US government" will not do something ravingly insane based on the assumption that Russia will back down. We could end up in a generations-long proxy war a-la-Vietnam... or we could simply give just enough impetus for a launch order, in which case we can all lick each others' anuses a fond adios.

    Nuclear weapons and stupidity admixed can have no other result than those that not even an idiot wants.

    World gets more interesting almost by the minute. As things stand, I see no good in America's future. That means $#@! sandwiches for you and me.

    Hope y'all are good and hungry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I cannot lay claim to any meaningful confidence that some idiot at the top of the great steaming pile we call the "US government" will not

    do something ravingly insane


    based on the assumption that Russia will back down. We could end up in a generations-long proxy war a-la-Vietnam... or we could simply give just enough impetus for a launch order, in which case we can all lick each others' anuses a fond adios.
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    Last edited by presence; 10-01-2015 at 11:24 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    I'm still trying to figure out why Obama said Assad has to go. What did Assad do to deserve what the U.S. has been doing to him?

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    Why is Washington Against Russia Bombing ISIS and Al-Qaeda?
    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...-and-al-qaeda/
    Daniel McAdams (01 October 2015)

    On Wednesday the Russian military became active in the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria. Pursuant to a request from the Syrian government, Moscow first began deploying military equipment and trainers as well as humanitarian assistance. Then the Russian parliament approved the use of force, and force was indeed used on Wednesday.

    The Obama Administration is not happy about this development.

    The US has been bombing Syria for a year without permission from the Syrian government and without a UN Security Council resolution authorizing an attack on a sovereign nation. That means US strikes on Syrian soil are illegal according to international law. However the first US response to the Russian strikes against ISIS in Syria was to condemn the Russian government for not coordinating its strikes with the US.

    Unsurprisingly, the US mainstream media once again rushed to carry water for the US administration, with CNN's Christiane Amanpour pondering whether Russia answering the legitimate Syrian government's request for assistance would open itself up to war crimes charges! In Amanpour's world there is no crime in a year of bombing a sovereign state with not even a fig leaf UN resolution to back it up. The only crime is to resist the US empire. No wonder in a world of media austerity, Amanpour is a well-compensated regime propagandist.

    Rather than welcoming Russian efforts against ISIS and al-Qaeda, the US claims that unless Russia also focuses on removing the Assad government from power its efforts are "doomed to failure." The US claims to be concerned that the Russians are attacking the "moderate" Syrian rebels trained by the United States -- but even US generals have admitted that group consists of a grand total of four or five individuals. So it's hard to understand the sudden concern. Each new batch of "moderates" the US churns out seems to defect to al-Qaeda or ISIS within minutes of deployment in Syria.

    What is interesting is that the US-led coalition dropping bombs on Syria for the past year has yet to even consider the mounting civilian body count from its attacks. Not a word from the US government about large numbers of civilians it has killed in Syria. Yet there is plenty of evidence that the civilian toll taken by American bombs is exceedingly high. The moment the Russians join the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, however, the US suddenly becomes obsessed with civilian deaths -- even as no evidence has arisen aside from suspicious reports from opposition-friendly "human rights" organizations that any civilians have been killed in the first day of Russian strikes.

    What "evidence" exists of civilian casualties in the Russian strikes comes from the war machine funded Institute for the Study of War (ISW), headed by Victoria Nuland's sister-in-law Kimberly Kagan. ISW's Genevieve Casagrande -- a former dolphin expert who quite frankly does not look like a seasoned foreign policy expert -- claimed to know that Russia's airstrikes "did not hit ISIS militants and rather resulted in a large number of civilian casualties." Based on what? Only the unquestioning mainstream media could tell us. But of course they do not.

    The bottom line is this: the US is opposing Russia's attacks on ISIS and al-Qaeda -- two branches of the same tree that are a proven threat to the US homeland -- because Russia is not also attacking the Assad government, which could never be a threat to the United States.

    Who really is protecting us? Obama with his ongoing Assad obsession?

    Danger ahead!


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  22. #19
    Russian officer who notified the U.S. of the strikes said the U.S. should stay out of Syrian airspace and remove any troops it has on the ground working with rebels in Syria.
    http://news10.com/2015/09/30/the-lat...official-says/



    As of August 2015:

    Green = Assad
    Red = FSA
    Gray = ISIS
    Yellow = Kurds


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_%282012%E2%80%93present%29

    Last edited by presence; 10-01-2015 at 04:32 PM.

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  23. #20


    Russia bombs group trained by CIA


    Oct 1, 2015
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0RV41O20151001


    Cold War superpower foes, Washington and Moscow, are now engaged in combat over the same country for the first time since World War Two.
    One of the airstrikes hit an area primarily held by rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency and allied spy services, U.S. officials said, catapulting the Syrian crisis to a new level of danger and uncertainty.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-...say-1443663993
    Last edited by presence; 10-01-2015 at 12:24 PM.

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  24. #21



    Russia's Lavrov on Syria targets:
    'If it looks like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist ...'



    CNN‎ - 17 mins ago

    "I would recall that we always were saying that we are going to fight ISIL and other terrorist groups, this is the same position that the Americans are taking, the representatives of the coalition command have always been saying that their targets are ISIL, al-Nusra and other terrorist groups," Lavrov said.

    "If it looks like a terrorist,
    if it acts like a terrorist,
    if it walks like a terrorist,
    if it fights like a terrorist,


    it's a terrorist, right?




    "This is basically our position, as well.




    We see eye-to-eye with the coalition on this one."

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...173827826.html


    ...the mockery



    "The goal [of the Russian operation] is to help the Syrian armed forces in their weak spots in the fight against ISIL

    and other terrorist and extremist groups,"
    Last edited by presence; 10-01-2015 at 04:43 PM.

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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out why Obama said Assad has to go. What did Assad do to deserve what the U.S. has been doing to him?
    That's explained succinctly here:

    http://www.rt.com/op-edge/syria-world-hate-message-604/

    Worth noting that both Libya and Egypt also had no IMF debt prior to being "liberated"
    Last edited by presence; 10-01-2015 at 12:34 PM.

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    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out why Obama said Assad has to go. What did Assad do to deserve what the U.S. has been doing to him?
    We gave chemical weapons to the rebels, they fired them on innocent civilians, our media blamed the regime - that's what - false flag as usual.

    Now, why Obama's HANDLERS don't like Syria is explained in the article above that presence posted.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Some cliched truisms spring to mind.
    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. History rhymes moreso than repeats.
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  30. #26
    He also bombed the Special Forces that are there......or not there I mean. Remember no boots on ground.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    That's explained succinctly here:

    http://www.rt.com/op-edge/syria-world-hate-message-604/

    Worth noting that both Libya and Egypt also had no IMF debt prior to being "liberated"
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    We gave chemical weapons to the rebels, they fired them on innocent civilians, our media blamed the regime - that's what - false flag as usual.

    Now, why Obama's HANDLERS don't like Syria is explained in the article above that presence posted.
    Then it looks to me like Russia is doing the right thing and the U.S. should butt out.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out why Obama said Assad has to go. What did Assad do to deserve what the U.S. has been doing to him?


    Oil/gas pipelines, central bank installation, the ideal of "Greater Israel".
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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  33. #29
    Russia is about to redraw the map in Syria. Everything that we called "moderate rebel controlled" during 2014/2015 will be back in the hands of Assad by the end of the month. The whole charade of CIA backed "free syrian army" is going to implode.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Russia is about to redraw the map in Syria. Everything that we called "moderate rebel controlled" during 2014/2015 will be back in the hands of Assad by the end of the month. The whole charade of CIA backed "free syrian army" is going to implode.
    Most likely
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