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    We are the Grassroots!!!

    As a longtime, long-suffering grassroots activist, I'd like to post an interesting definition of the how the grassroots works. I'm not in total agreement with the article, but it does a more than adequate job at dispelling the belief by some that the grassroots should be controlled by the campaign. I have bolded some of the more pertinent points.

    Let's discuss it, shall we?
    How the grassroots works

    Any political strategy that depends on broad grassroots support for its success needs to be based on a sound understanding of how the grassroots works. Without such an understanding, the strategy will tend to miscalculate its approach to handling the grassroots, resulting in failure.

    The fact is, the "grassroots" is not like anything else in politics. By its very nature, it's fiercely resistant to central control — yet it can be incomparably loyal and self-sacrificing. Properly understood and respected (and hence properly utilized), it has the potential to alter an entire culture. Approached incorrectly, it will turn on those who seek to exploit it.

    For these reasons, today's major political movements tend to ignore the grassroots and focus almost exclusively on the use of media to gather winning support at the polls. This works fine as long as the media are susceptible to being courted. But a cause that seriously challenges the media's inherent or conventional tendencies cannot afford to rely alone on media exposure — including paid advertising. Positive gains by unconventional movements can easily be undone by the media through its powerful domination of the public mind. Freedom-minded Americans must therefore find ways to MOBILIZE THE GRASSROOTS if they are to have any hope of making enduring improvements to American society.

    Definition

    By definition, the grassroots is the bottom of the political pyramid, opposite the "establishment," which controls the top. While the establishment concentrates power in relatively few people in the highest echelons of power — typically party leaders, elected officials, appointed aides or bureaucrats, and others who wield considerable authority over others (and whose business is limiting others' choices) — the grassroots includes virtually everyone else, those common people who do not necessarily hold any political office and who may even be getting their first taste of politics in a particular cause.

    It is important to understand, however, that the above model is overly simplified. The grassroots and the establishment can often be the same. People can function simultaneously in either realm, and many often do. In fact, a large proportion of grassroots activists are current office holders or party leaders who are deeply engaged, alongside common citizens, in what could only be described as grassroots activism — involving them in cooperative, advisory, or leadership roles with people of the lower echelons. At the same time, many at the grassroots are inseparable in the public mind from the highest levels of political power, because of their effectiveness in influencing elected officials to change public policy.

    What this means is that, ultimately, "the grassroots" is an ATTITUDE. It is an attitude of freedom, of creativity, of unrestrained political enthusiasm, of willingness to band together with ordinary citizens for a common purpose. It has nothing inherently to do with holding a position. It is what some political leaders do outside or beyond their official duties when they get involved in popular causes. It is what regular people do politically alongside others of like minds, without undue concern for conventional roles or authority.

    The grassroots is the very essence of politics. It is dumping tea in a harbor, or standing up and testifying at a local city council meeting, or taking a political candidate aside after a rally and giving him or her some advice, or handing out leaflets at a mall. It is that whole realm of politics beyond official station, although many of high station moonlight as grassroots activists — some unintentionally, by their willingness to rub shoulders with the citizenry.

    Grassroots behavior

    People at the grassroots are anxious to do something. They are especially anxious to do something MEANINGFUL — at least to them. They are politically-minded people who — when they find a cause worthy of their time, energy, and means — are willing to let go of inhibitions, fears, and preconceptions and jump into the cause with unusual passion.

    Motivated grassroots activists can be counted on to carry the burden for any particular political cause. They will make phone calls, label envelopes, knock on doors, organize their friends and relatives, e-mail everybody on their lists, march in the streets, put up yard signs, attend rallies, volunteer for leadership, write letters to editors, lobby VIP's, distribute petitions, donate money, and in countless other ways make great personal sacrifice for what they believe in.


    They do these things because of their belief in the ideals that define what it means to be an American. Nearly all true grassroots activists in our nation — unlike establishment authorities who control the political process (including those in academia and the media) — are thus FUNDAMENTALLY CONSERVATIVE. They are at least believers in the sanctity of American's founding ideals and are inclined to support the causes of economic liberty, natural law, and moral responsibility. They are rock-solid, sincere Americans.

    And there are literally millions who fit this description. Given the right conditions, they will perform yeoman work indispensable to the success of any major political movement.

    Activating the grassroots

    The real grassroots strength of America has never been fully tapped, at least not since our founding, when a large proportion of common citizens rose up and made a difference. Whatever grassroots activity we see today is restricted mainly to those individuals who are the most assertive or outspoken. Millions of others would join these visible activists — in every movement from pro-life to pro-marriage to pro-Second Amendment to pro-property rights — if they knew where to turn for adequate leadership, and if they understood how far America has steadily moved toward the brink of social and political collapse. Unfortunately, the grassroots remain largely dormant, due to the fact that even principled political leaders have never learned to fully inspire the grassroots to meaningful action or enlist their full help.

    Again, it is important to stress that virtually all truly grassroots activists are sympathetic to moral conservatism. The lawless radicals we often see on the news holding America hostage are not genuine grassroots. They tend to be avant-garde elitists from academia whose main interest is dismantling America's traditions, in preparation for a world of government-dictated servility. They take their orders from above — not below. They are an extension of top-down plans for disrupting our society, not common Americans who sincerely want to preserve our nation from their position at the bottom of the political spectrum. True grassroots activism springs from ordinary citizens and tends toward principled American liberty, not dependency on increased government power.

    That being the case — all those who would like to mobilize the grassroots for a particular purpose must, themselves, embody and follow ideals that are consistent with those of America's founding, or the grassroots won't rise to the occasion. This doesn't mean simply rallying citizens to the cause of preserving our nation — although that is essential. It means respecting and exemplifying the very principles that rallied our forebears: treating the grassroots as equals; respecting the grassroots' need for freedom; and recognizing that no one controls the grassroots from the top down.

    Below are principles for working with the grassroots, based on the typical behavior of those who join grassroots movements. These principles cannot be divorced from any serious attempt to reclaim America through broad grassroots activism.

    1. The most important thing to remember in dealing with the grassroots is that the grassroots can't be "managed." You can enlist them, but you can't centrally contain, restrain, or coerce them. Any attempt to manage, manipulate, govern, direct, exploit, or otherwise "use" the grassroots from the top down will fail, because such oversight is intrinsically antithetical — even offensive — to grassroots activism. Instead, those who seek to involve the grassroots in their cause must largely defer to the grassroots, even cater to the grassroots' vision of the cause at issue. People at the grassroots can be led — within certain inviolable principles — but they can't be made subservient.

    2.The secret to enlisting the enthusiastic support of the grassroots is to inspire citizens with patriotic, common-sense rhetoric that defines a cause worthy of their wholehearted support. Most Americans respond positively to sincere appeals to preserving America's distinctive ideals, and the more intelligent and sensible the appeal, the more effective. Any demagoguery or other calculated "motivational" techniques may rally some people for the short-term — but only the truth, spoken plainly and courageously without attempts at manipulation, will mobilize broad grassroots activity for the long haul. The goal is to persuade with reason, in a way that naturally evokes passionate support for the movement at hand.


    3.Once inspired, grassroots activists want meaningful work to do. The role of organizers, therefore — besides inspiring the grassroots — is to give interested activists well-prepared resources that they can use to make their own unique contribution to the common cause. In fact, that is mainly all that enthusiastic activists need from those at the top of their movement. With a variety of good resources from which to choose — including self-instructional handbooks, guidelines for potential activities, effective literature, quality signs, comprehensive contact information, up-to-date voter and party lists, and other useful resources — volunteers are ready to hit the streets in search of opportunities to make a difference.


    4.Those at the top of the movement need to see THEMSELVES mainly as RESOURCES. Since they can't do anything directly to "control" the movement, once it begins to attract strong activists, they will be most influential if they adopt a posture of doing all they can to help those below them. In fact, that is the essence of good leadership. Motivated grassroots followers will respond well to leaders who see themselves primarily as supports to those in the trenches. They will respond poorly to leaders who cross the line and try to use those in the trenches to further their own well-laid plans.

    5.The grassroots absolutely must be trusted to take initiative. Because being "grassroots" is mainly an attitude that centers in wanting to preserve freedom, those who wish to mobilize the grassroots for a particular cause must respect and even nurture the attitude of freedom and creativity that is the very reason those at the grassroots are involved in the cause in the first place. Just as important, grassroots organizers must realize that there is more talent, wisdom, experience, and expertise concentrated at the grassroots than there is at the top of any political movement. Activists must be allowed — indeed, they must be ENCOURAGED — to take broad initiative and be creative in furthering the cause at issue. The results will exceed anything that detailed planning or micro-management by their leaders will ever produce.

    6. Although grassroots workers need freedom in which to function, they also appreciate reasonable guidance to help them know how to participate effectively with others in a cooperative effort. Few grassroots activists expect unrestrained freedom to do whatever they choose in a major political movement. Most prefer — and expect — sensible leadership from experienced grassroots activists to guide them in working productively with others. A movement's leaders would therefore be well-advised to offer grassroots volunteers clear written guidelines for working collectively. The only problem with doing so arises when published or "official"-sounding guidelines lack common sense or treat volunteers without due respect. All "top-down" policies in a political movement must be self-evidently reasonable, or workers at the grassroots will quickly lose confidence in those who seek to lead.

    more....
    http://www.renewamerica.com/grassroots.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!



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    I didn't read this yet, Deborah. How are we defining the grassroots here? It's broad, you know. Any theoretical luxury of assumption that it consists of a prescribed lot probably isn't practical. There is this idea that "we" need to get "them" to accept our ideologies but we often ignore that we, too, must learn to co-exist. Synergy and all of that happy stuff. One only need to understand the relevance in yer sig line to see relevance. Anyhoo...I'll have a read...
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-26-2014 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I didn't read this yet, Deborah. How are we defining the grassroots here? It's broad, you know. Any theoretical luxury of assumption that it consists of a prescribed lot probably isn't practical. There is this idea that "we" need to get "them" to accept our ideologies but we often ignore that we, too, must learn to co-exist. Synergy and all of that happy stuff. One only need to understand the relevance in yer sig line to see relevance. Anyhoo...I'll have a read...
    Yeah, read it. I think you'll find that some of what you wrote is in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    Yeah, read it. I think you'll find that some of what you wrote is in there.
    Yes, I did. There really isn't much that I could add to it other than detailing what I personally do and with whom. Specific issues that I view as important. A lot of my work does, indeed, exist outside of the parameters of what many in this particular neck of the "woods" accept as a grassroots issue. Of course, that is not to say that it functions against that fragment of the grassroots. At least not in scope. If we manage ourselves in a way that allows us room to view scope then a phenomenon develops that puts a leash on those aspects of political structure that generally seek to "manage" them from the outside. And, again, I'd revert to explaining the phenomenon that we see in some of these political education courses. Too often we see folks who carry ..oh....let's say Ron Paul's principles. But then when they go take those courses they are trained to work toward the personal agenda(s) of the feller who may be teaching the course(s). An example would be that one feels very strongly about foreign policy but then when he decides to become involved he loses that vision and instead sees himself working toward someones right to work agenda.

    But anyhow. Will think on it. Maybe see what some others chime in with here.

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    Something else that I would add is a recollection of a very brief discussion some place around here with Matt. I'm not one to specifically seek out low hanging fruit. I'm more opt to pick everything at the same time. And this leads us to a larger understanding of what the grassroots consists of across the board. Cherry picking, to me, is an indicator of a very limited vision of scope, inability to grasp the entirety of that which grows on the tree or tendency to be lazy and self serving. Which reflects the latter of my previous posting here. Is very destructive to the grassroots as a whole.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-26-2014 at 06:15 PM.

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    Thanks good read. +Rep
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    Can't herd cat's. Either they wanna give ya love or they show ya the brown eye and shake a tail at ya.

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    1. The most important thing to remember in dealing with the grassroots is that the grassroots can't be "managed." You can enlist them, but you can't centrally contain, restrain, or coerce them. Any attempt to manage, manipulate, govern, direct, exploit, or otherwise "use" the grassroots from the top down will fail, because such oversight is intrinsically antithetical — even offensive — to grassroots activism. Instead, those who seek to involve the grassroots in their cause must largely defer to the grassroots, even cater to the grassroots' vision of the cause at issue. People at the grassroots can be led — within certain inviolable principles — but they can't be made subservient.


    1. The most important thing to remember in dealing with the grassroots is that the grassroots can't be "managed." You can enlist them, but you can't centrally contain, restrain, or coerce them. Any attempt to manage, manipulate, govern, direct, exploit, or otherwise "use" the grassroots from the top down will fail, because such oversight is intrinsically antithetical — even offensive — to grassroots activism. Instead, those who seek to involve the grassroots in their cause must largely defer to the grassroots, even cater to the grassroots' vision of the cause at issue. People at the grassroots can be led — within certain inviolable principles — but they can't be made subservient.


    1. The most important thing to remember in dealing with the grassroots is that the grassroots can't be "managed." You can enlist them, but you can't centrally contain, restrain, or coerce them. Any attempt to manage, manipulate, govern, direct, exploit, or otherwise "use" the grassroots from the top down will fail, because such oversight is intrinsically antithetical — even offensive — to grassroots activism. Instead, those who seek to involve the grassroots in their cause must largely defer to the grassroots, even cater to the grassroots' vision of the cause at issue. People at the grassroots can be led — within certain inviolable principles — but they can't be made subservient.



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    Very good article. +rep.
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    Great article. +Rep.
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    You want to drop bombs to defend what embassy?




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    I think I'd really rather be the radio-active scorched barren desert of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    You want to drop bombs to defend what embassy?



    Say wut? Wasn't the topic about putting guards around them? I don't recall ever advocating for dropping bombs anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    In b4 Matt ...

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    GREAT find, Deborah, and thanks for posting.

    I know AF has already spiked the ball on this quote, but when reading the article, this line jumped right off the page at me - as it did to him, too, apparently:

    1. The most important thing to remember in dealing with the grassroots is that the grassroots can't be "managed." You can enlist them, but you can't centrally contain, restrain, or coerce them. Any attempt to manage, manipulate, govern, direct, exploit, or otherwise "use" the grassroots from the top down will fail, because such oversight is intrinsically antithetical — even offensive — to grassroots activism.
    This is the part of "grassroots" that Ron Paul knew and understood instinctively. Every other campaign - EVERY one, including (as much as I really hate to say it) that of Rand Paul has really failed to comprehend.

    I think there is still a very valuable and powerful grassroots base just sitting by the phone, waiting for the call. The problem is, only Ron Paul ever really knew the number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    We are the Grassroots!!!
    Well you should try to become relevant.
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    Someone should do a line graph of the 2008 money bombs versus the commoditized ones from the 2012 campaign to highlight the differences.

    I don't remember the hard numbers but the big three grassroots money bombs in 2007/2008 each raised at least 1 million+ (average of about 3.8 millions or so?) in 24 hours, whereas 2012's money bombs which dragged on for days never broke out of 6 figures IIRC.
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    Thanks for posting. This article is great because it starts debate that is much needed. I have been trolling and ranting about this for a very long time. I annoyed quite a few people with it. Then I gave up and said I will not mention it again... now I am talking about it again...because I am big fat liar...except I am not fat. Management, guidance, leadership, organization, distribution of responsibilities are needed!!! Being anarchist/miniarchist/libertarian doesnt mean you are always against management or some sort of structure. Sometimes I get a feeling that some anarchist dont understand that.

    Article has some doublespeak:
    "Grassroots cant be managed" and then it says: "they appreciate reasonable guidance"; "participate...in cooperative effort" (cooperative effort requires some sort of management); "asking for leadership and guidance(which is management)".

    Recently I called activist model practiced "socialist model of activism". Everyone owns it, everyone is in charge, everyone is responsible... Which means exactly the opposite. This is how resources are lost, wasted and miss-allocated (eg. everyone makes cool moneybomb pictures and no one is distributing them and marketing moneybomb), every activity starts from zero etc. One example of losing and wasting valuable resources: every money-bombs contact infos are lost (emails, list of Facebook, Meetup groups and RP friendly sites). If those lists were passed on, compiled and preserved they would have thousands of contact informations of people that combined can reach millions by passing info given to them.


    who is bothered with this? When I am involved in some project and when I see waste and this kind of repetitive insanity I feel like someone is sticking hot needles in my brain...professional deformation...I guess.

    Campaigns, this forum, other sites and grassroots need to find a way to work together, cooperate, share resources yada yada yada.

    P.s.

    Dont interpret this as malicious spitting on activists or that I am in favor of dictatorial structure of activities. I am opposed to both extremes(total control and socialist commune-everyone is everything).
    Last edited by Barrex; 11-28-2014 at 12:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    Article has some doublespeak:
    "Grassroots cant be managed" and then it says: "they appreciate reasonable guidance"; "participate...in cooperative effort" (cooperative effort requires some sort of management); "asking for leadership and guidance(which is management)".
    Nice post.

    I would like to note that guidance is more of an advisory position, whereas management is more of a 'take control' position. Volunteers (which is what the grassroots is made up of) have no tolerance for being made to feel like they are in the employ of someone. They will take guidance, organization, planning, and structure from leaders on a project (event) as long as they believe that said leaders (which are usually the people who come up with the idea of the project) are in keeping with the goals and objectives as they were laid out. This works well for individual grassroots events. I know this first hand. And, I know that in order to pull off an event, you have to have planning, organization, structure, and leadership.

    In our case, we have a grassroots movement, and thus, many factions within that movement. If a candidate wants to utilize our support for his/her philosophies, ideas, and goals, then it behooves that candidate (and staff) to refrain from deliberate marginalization of certain factions within that movement, and to refrain from trying to control our creativity.

    To cause division within a movement, in an attempt to ostracize that which one may believe is damaging to the cause as a whole, is the death knell to the strength, vitality, cohesiveness, purpose, and future of that movement. What needs to be done, is to unite all the factions under one cause: the cause of freedom. Period. Drive that message home. Answer all criticism with it. Allow people to believe what they want to believe. If they're misguided, patiently inform and educate them, but if they - like you - believe in the cause of freedom, you'll know it because their actions and their words will prove it. This, in and of itself, speaks truth to power.

    We have a presidential election coming up. Those of us who believe that Rand could change the course of history for the better will want to be involved. We have an opportunity now to have a huge impact through our grassroots efforts. And, even if you don't like Rand, or don't believe in the political process, you do believe in the cause of freedom, and so we can still collaborate and work side by side in achieving that goal.

    We've built something great together. We are special, because we're pure - we aren't bought and paid for. We cannot allow anyone, or anything to divide and conquer us, or try to control us any longer.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Bump
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  24. #21
    Really good points in here to discuss.

    When I think of grassroots, what sticks out to me most is actually "roots". I think that it's important for a campaign to understand what is going on under the surface. The relationship between the campaign and the grassroots needs to scale.

    Each grassroots activist needs to feel connected to the campaign and to the rest of the grassroots. The campaign can promote efficiency by strategically placing resources at key way points creating a networking path for the individual activist.

    An easy example of this is campaign offices inside of local communities. There is no reason why the meetup groups that were going on in 2007-2008 could not have eventually led to campaign offices and media hubs. These offices would easily be staffed by volunteers and the rent paid for by the meetup groups donating directly to their own grassroots efforts. This wouldn't cost anything for the campaign other than the initial setup fee and the extension of "official" title to whoever the campaign volunteer was going to be.

    Then the paid for staffers at the broader scope could make their rounds.

    One of the biggest frustrations I had in 2012 was that there was no campaign office. No were to go to make sure the campaign was hearing what was going on under the surface in my particular election "zone".

    How do you win elections if you don't know what is going on in each community where your name is on the ballot? How do you win elections if you are not relating the issues to the local community?

    Of course, you buy elections. You buy voter blocks, right.


    I agree with the article, the American grassroots has been dormant. I thought for sure it was waking up to Ron Paul's message. It's a testament to how powerful the message is. And it is also a testament to how a campaign can trip itself up if it is not prepared to work FOR the grassroots.

    The enthusiasm didn't carry over in terms of activism for 2012, but the message and the efforts succeeded.

    2016 is a chance for a new wave of grassroots fervor. I can sense it. The message hasn't changed, the audience (thanks to Rand I believe) is more attentive, and competition is being exposed as media props.

    I think the grassroots will be fired up and ready. I know I am starting to feel it and i am excited that perhaps this season I'll have more allies than enemies. I also know that 7 years has changed me and I am a much better messenger.

    I expect the Paul's to have grown some in the last 7 years, and in particular, I expect the Paul's to do a much better job with the grassroots this time around. Regardless, I won't be around for 2020 politics. I just feel like it's now or never and if our country doesn't get it this time, then I will just get out of the way as those fools bum rush to the exists when the SHTF.

  25. #22
    I agree with most of what was posted in the OP..... The important thing is that people should be willing to follow good leadership and leadership should not make unreasonable requests...... a few points:



    #4 - If individuals are trying to help a candidate, then they will do what the candidate asks of them instead of going off on self-gratifying but unproductive or potentially harmful endeavors.


    #5 - there is a danger that grassroots can become co-opted to other causes (such as 9/11 conspiracy theorists), or by oppositions' souring. This is why good leadership is very important.




    And grassroots activists have a responsibility to get trained as much as possible in order to be as effective as possible. The more grassroots leaders that are trained in being effective, the less hand-holding is needed by a campaign.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by newbitech View Post
    One of the biggest frustrations I had in 2012 was that there was no campaign office. No were to go to make sure the campaign was hearing what was going on under the surface in my particular election "zone".
    If you're talking about Tampa, the reality is that Florida was not in play for Ron, so it didn't make sense to spend resources there. Iowa and New Hampshire get most of the attention in election years, with SC, NV, MN, and a few others getting the rest. Florida of course does too, but their rules and size make it too hard to play for an upstart campaign.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    #5 - there is a danger that grassroots can become co-opted to other causes (such as 9/11 conspiracy theorists), or by oppositions' souring. This is why good leadership is very important.

    What else? Can't just cry 9/11 and rely upon that one as an easy out. What issues would you say "co-opt" your leadership's political ideology/infrastructure? In other words, what issues are your leadership avoiding beyond 9/11 that they feel is co-opting their vision? Grassroots is broad, Matt. Powerful too. What that means is that the terms of controversy cannot and will not be contained. It seems to me that what you're stimulating by fragmenting the terms of controversy is a platform to remove accountability.
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    NC -

    My point is that it is often times easy for groups of supporters to make their issues that of the candidate they support which is not a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    NC -

    My point is that it is often times easy for groups of supporters to make their issues that of the candidate they support which is not a good thing.
    Yes, I get all of that. I'll tell you what, though, Matt. It's not the 80's anymore. Cripes, we live in the Information Age. People get more done in a 30 minute lunch meeting and a couple of keystrokes than folks back then got done in an entire year. And so politics must adapt. I mean, I can organize with people that I oppose on various political issues and still pave a much wider path than I can with those whom I completely agree with who function by the book. It just is what it is.

    And, really, is why I cut you much more slack than others do around here. I do see where you've contributed out in the wild just bcause I pay attention to people. But that is something that leadership at the lower level would also do well to do. Raising a half a million or so dollars in a few days on a whim for a political project/action isn't difficult anymore. What is increasingly difficult is to see it coming. Which, I suppose, would be another reason that we'd like to keep the grassroots manicured and trained to grow in a preferred lot. That's not going to happen, though.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I agree with most of what was posted in the OP..... The important thing is that people should be willing to follow good leadership and leadership should not make unreasonable requests...... a few points:
    So...you're the bearer of our "good leadership?"

    #4 - If individuals are trying to help a candidate, then they will do what the candidate asks of them instead of going off on self-gratifying but unproductive or potentially harmful endeavors.
    I do what's good for myself and my daughter, my family and people I trust who just might be able to make this country a better place, not what's good for you. And what's good for you is getting my money--you can't have it, and even if I had tons of money, I'd throw it off a building before you got a single dollar of it. Go get a real job--though I doubt anyone who actually works could tolerate you.


    #5 - there is a danger that grassroots can become co-opted to other causes (such as 9/11 conspiracy theorists), or by oppositions' souring. This is why good leadership is very important.
    GREAT! So where's this good leadership? You do know that you have to trust someone before you can consider them a leader, right?


    And grassroots activists have a responsibility to get trained as much as possible in order to be as effective as possible. The more grassroots leaders that are trained in being effective, the less hand-holding is needed by a campaign.
    Fantastic. Let's all start chip-ins, so Matt can donate (like many here did for him) and git us smelly masses some schoolin.' You are going to donate, right?
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by willwash View Post
    Someone should do a line graph of the 2008 money bombs versus the commoditized ones from the 2012 campaign to highlight the differences.

    I don't remember the hard numbers but the big three grassroots money bombs in 2007/2008 each raised at least 1 million+ (average of about 3.8 millions or so?) in 24 hours, whereas 2012's money bombs which dragged on for days never broke out of 6 figures IIRC.
    2007

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Pau...campaign,_2008

    On November 5, 2007, the campaign raised over $4.3 million.[210] That amount is the largest amount collected on a single day by any Republican candidate,[211][212] and the record for largest amount of on-line fund raising in a single day ever in U.S. history.[213] Paul eclipsed his overall third-quarter fund-raising total around 2:30 p.m. EST.

    Paul's December campaign contributions rose to over $7.1 million and the Q4 campaign contributions rose to over $17 million as a result of this push. The campaign website displayed a novel real-time display of the funds raised and the names of donors.[214] Smaller fund raising money bombs continued throughout November and early December.
    December 16 donation rates

    A December 16, 2007, money bomb on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party broke the campaign's previous record,[215] raising nearly $2 million more than the November 5 event, bringing in over US$6 million in the largest single day of fund raising, on-line or not, in U.S. presidential campaign history.[216] During the last minutes of the drive, the server refused to accept contributions due to an overload of donations, as about 100 contributors per minute donated to the campaign; more than an additional $100,000 were donated within the hour past midnight.[217][218][219]

    February 1, 2008, marked the 51st anniversary of Carol and Ron Paul's marriage. Supporters raised over $1 million in the 24-hour period for the campaign[220] as an "anniversary gift," making the it the fourth largest campaign donation day to date.[221]

    2012

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Pau...campaign,_2012

    Paul's second moneybomb (the first being before his official announcement) was scheduled for June 5, 2011, the anniversary of the 1933 joint resolution which abolished the gold standard. The June 5 moneybomb, which was themed as "The Revolution vs. RomneyCare: Round One", raised approximately $1.1 million.[61] A third moneybomb themed "Ready, Ames, Fire!" was executed on July 19, 2011 to provide support leading up to the Ames Straw Poll on August 13, 2011, raising over $550,000.[62]

    In the second quarter of 2011, Paul's campaign ranked second, behind Mitt Romney, in total dollars raised with $4.5 million.[63] This was $1.5 million more than his original goal of $3 million.[64] During that quarter, the Paul campaign had raised more money from military personnel than all other GOP candidates combined, and even more money than Barack Obama, a trend that has continued from Paul's 2008 presidential campaign.[65]

    A fourth moneybomb took place on Paul's 76th birthday on August 20, 2011. It raised more than $1.8 million despite a cyber-attack against the site that took it down for several hours, after which the donation drive was extended for another twelve hours.[66]

    A fifth moneybomb began on September 17, the date of the 224th anniversary of the creation of the United States Constitution. Continuing throughout the following day, it raised more than $1 million.[67] Shortly after the Constitution Day moneybomb, a sixth moneybomb, entitled "End of Quarter Push", began on September 22 in an attempt to generate $1.5 million before the 3rd Quarter fundraising deadline.[68]

    In the third quarter of 2011, Paul raised over $8 million.[8] A three-day moneybomb entitled "Black This Out" brought in more than $2.75 million in mid-October.[69][70]

    On December 16, a moneybomb titled the "Tea Party MoneyBomb" took place and raised upwards of $4 million over a period of two days.[71]

    Paul was also supported by a Super PAC, Endorse Liberty. By January 16, 2012, the PAC had spent $2.83 million promoting Paul's campaign.[72]

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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I agree with most of what was posted in the OP..... The important thing is that people should be willing to follow good leadership and leadership should not make unreasonable requests...... a few points:



    #4 - If individuals are trying to help a candidate, then they will do what the candidate asks of them instead of going off on self-gratifying but unproductive or potentially harmful endeavors.


    #5 - there is a danger that grassroots can become co-opted to other causes (such as 9/11 conspiracy theorists), or by oppositions' souring. This is why good leadership is very important.




    And grassroots activists have a responsibility to get trained as much as possible in order to be as effective as possible. The more grassroots leaders that are trained in being effective, the less hand-holding is needed by a campaign.
    Matt, you're the one who constantly claims that the campaign should control the messaging from the grassroots. Everything you have ever stated about grassroots activism is the opposite of what the OP states. Keep back-peddling.

    You've already ruined your reputation here, Matt. You need to give it a rest. You're finished.
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