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    Social Security "the most successful government program in history" - Moveon.org



    Yesterday, Republicans passed a bill to repeal health care reform. We know that bill won't become law.

    But their next target is Social Security—and there, they might just succeed.

    Washington has been whipped into a frenzy over the deficit, and there are rumors the White House may try to cut a deal with Republicans by offering cuts to Social Security in the State of the Union, just like they did over the Bush tax cuts.

    Some key Democrats in Congress have also signaled that they're open to cutting Social Security. But cutting Social Security is massively unpopular, and if we can spread the word that this threat is more real than ever, we can create an outcry loud enough to stop it in its tracks.

    So we're aiming to get 150,000 signatures saying that any cuts to the most successful government program in history have to be completely off the table.

    -Moveon.org
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    Pyramid schemes always are until you can't pay the next tier up. Look at Maddoff.

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    It being broke is successful, our govt is full of win!

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    I suppose , if they had put the money in a seperate fund and you had an account with your name on it , then , they could claim it was much more successful than other expensive programs like Medicare , UN ETC .

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    Delusional.
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    I do think it's among the most successful Government programs. Success and winning is defined by your point of view, though. The Government has done a great job of making Social Security as common a thing as filing your income taxes. You pay in, you retire, you get checks. Very few people really question it at all, let alone stop to think of how it could be phased out. Most throw up their hands and say "it can't be fixed!" while others say that it should be phased out, but later, once they've gotten their check. If you suggest doing away with Social Security you hate children, widows, cripples, and most importantly you hate old people (which are the big damned deal as far as voting blocs of late).

    It's successful at having bored its way under everyone's skin to the point that the notion of ripping out the cancer is too painful for most to consider.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    I do think it's among the most successful Government programs. Success and winning is defined by your point of view, though. The Government has done a great job of making Social Security as common a thing as filing your income taxes. You pay in, you retire, you get checks. Very few people really question it at all, let alone stop to think of how it could be phased out. Most throw up their hands and say "it can't be fixed!" while others say that it should be phased out, but later, once they've gotten their check. If you suggest doing away with Social Security you hate children, widows, cripples, and most importantly you hate old people (which are the big damned deal as far as voting blocs of late).

    It's successful at having bored its way under everyone's skin to the point that the notion of ripping out the cancer is too painful for most to consider.
    win!

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    By government standards it is the most successful.

    It spends the most money.
    It taxes the most money.
    It has the most people hooked on the tit of government.
    It is the most insolvent of all government programs.

    What more could you want.



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    makes one wonder how people ever lived past age 65 prior to 1935.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Pyramid schemes always are until you can't pay the next tier up. Look at Maddoff.
    During Franklin D. Roosevelt's campaign of Socialism' Pyramid Scheme...

    FDR, "No One will ever pay more than $300 or 1% of their wages for Social Security"

    Then, when legislation was finished and passed... a doubling, instituted to 2%

    Today:

    out of your paycheck 6.2% on earnings up to $106,800 and 6.2% out of your employer's wallet

    Run your own business aka Self-employed? 12.4% on earnings up to $106,800 or

    $13,243.20 to supposedly your Social Security account in one year(2010).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    FDR, "No One will ever pay more than $300 or 1% of their wages for Social Security"

    Then a doubling when instituted to 2%

    Today:

    out of your paycheck 6.2% on earnings up to $106,800 and 6.2% out of your employer's wallet

    Run your own business in Self-employed? 12.4% on earnings up to $106,800 or

    $13,243.20 to supposedly your Social Security account in one year.
    And that doesn't even take into account how much the Fed is devaluing the dollar so you would get back dollars of lesser value than you put in...

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    The first step in fixing this SS nonsense is abolishing the SS Trust Fund! It is a huge problem that the government borrows money that is paid into the social security system creating intra-governmental debt. This allows the government to be even more out of control and spend SS tax dollars on other programs it is not intended to be spent on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    And that doesn't even take into account how much the Fed is devaluing the dollar so you would get back dollars of lesser value than you put in...
    Yeap, they take a larger and larger cut out of your pocket and give you less and less back by the intentionally induced Hidden Tax: INFLATION

    ALL THE WHILE... government PONZI managers of the program sell their Government Debt to your Social Security Retirement Account.

    Maybe a movie: "How many ways to steal an American's wages" by US Government
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    SSNUMBER = 666. www.gematrix.org.

    I don't have a number.

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    Most successful scam in history....it's so successful it has 100% participation....I mean it's so good you literally CANNOT refuse.......


    you really can't because they will shoot you in the face if you do....with those kinds of incentives who would not take part in this lovely ponzi scheme. Man I love when they have so totally detached themselves from social awareness so fully that they no longer see the obvious fact that people would NEVER take part in this unless they were forcibly coerced. If you define success by forcibly coercing people to use your service and then touting this as a success well ok...but socially that is of course horrible.

    I would love to force those idiots at moveon.org to eat at my $#@!ty restaurant. I mean really, I would like to force everyone of us to eat at my $#@!ty restaurant. If you had to eat at my restaurant or else be shot or have bodily harm inflicted on you, I bet....I really bet I could say I have the most successful restaurant in the history of the world!!!! My food might consist of dog fecies but who is gonna complain? I am not going to lose customers because they will be shot in the face if they try not to utilize(or at last pay for) my services.

    Social Security the biggest violently enforced ponzi scheme in the history of the world.



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    The sad thing is that no one in power is actually seriously considering making it solvent. The petition is just a cynical attempt to restore the "republicans are going to cut social security" meme.

    Moveon and the Unions have always preyed on the elderly and undereducated with these kind of scare tactics.

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    If social security is the most successful government program to date..I'd hate to see the unsuccessful ones..
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    the first step is to make it voluntary, and as people opt out it loses its base.
    then end the fallacy of employer contribution, by simply adding that amount to everyone's pay

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    They're 100% correct.

    It's the most successful program for our government.
    Ron Paul let the cat out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    the first step is to make it voluntary
    It is.
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    I agree, it should be phased out, but what happens to all those people who were forced to contribute to the scheme and now have lost all of that money? How are they supposed to live if they were counting on getting back what the government took from them the entire time they were working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It is.
    Then what is automatically being deducted from my paycheck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I agree, it should be phased out, but what happens to all those people who were forced to contribute to the scheme and now have lost all of that money? How are they supposed to live if they were counting on getting back what the government took from them the entire time they were working?
    I'm half-tempted to say: Too $#@!ing bad, they've had 40 years to realize what a sham it is and ignored all the people who said that. I don't really feel that sorry for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I agree, it should be phased out, but what happens to all those people who were forced to contribute to the scheme and now have lost all of that money? How are they supposed to live if they were counting on getting back what the government took from them the entire time they were working?
    Yeah , WTH , I want my 120,000 back .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    the first step is to make it voluntary, and as people opt out it loses its base.
    then end the fallacy of employer contribution, by simply adding that amount to everyone's pay
    I could work with that ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    Then what is automatically being deducted from my paycheck?



    I'm half-tempted to say: Too $#@!ing bad, they've had 40 years to realize what a sham it is and ignored all the people who said that. I don't really feel that sorry for them.
    You don't feel sorry for them.... but it wasn't their fault they were robbed either. Why would you not feel sorry for people who got robbed? They knew it was a sham the entire time, but there wasn't anything they could do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Yeah , WTH , I want my 120,000 back .
    Exactly! I would know how to invest it so I could actually live off of it when I retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    You don't feel sorry for them.... but it wasn't their fault they were robbed either. Why would you not feel sorry for people who got robbed? They knew it was a sham the entire time, but there wasn't anything they could do about it.
    They kept on voting for people who continued social security instead of repealing it. If they knew it was a scam the entire time, they got a funny way of showing it.
    "Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."-Étienne de La Boétie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Exactly! I would know how to invest it so I could actually live off of it when I retired.
    If they give me my 120,000 back now , as the great American Patriot that I am , I would be willing to let them have the 2 % they are stealing for the next 16 years before I retire and we can call it even . : )
    Last edited by oyarde; 01-24-2011 at 01:10 PM.

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