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Last edited by daviddee; 08-26-2021 at 01:24 AM.
Maybe taxpayers should subsidize the costs of the program?the Department is increasing this fee to reflect the full cost of providing the service.
Well since there is no private benefit or other reason for charging someone for this service at all, the fee should be zero.Because the Department believes there is no public benefit or other reason for setting this fee below cost, the Department is increasing this fee to reflect the full cost of providing the service.
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Why don't they just make a checkbox in the database that says they are no longer a US citizen?Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Obviously there is more to it than that- and all data is not kept in a single base.
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Last edited by daviddee; 08-26-2021 at 01:24 AM.
Oh please. So when the protection racket in the neighborhood finally drives me out, I should have to pay a fee or they come to my new neighborhood and beat me up? The US government is already the most money-grubbing thug enterprise in the world when it comes to the way we treat our citizens abroad.
The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.
"Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron
"Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton
First country I checked- Britain- charges 823 Pounds which is about $1400. https://www.gov.uk/renounce-british-...sh-nationality
What other government services do you think should be free/ taxpayer subsidized?
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Last edited by daviddee; 08-25-2021 at 06:11 PM.
Isn't $1369 "any amount"? Yes- I do consider it somewhat close. It certainly isn't free. And three times larger than the old US fee.
My conversion source for 823 pounds: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...unds%20dollars
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-29-2014 at 02:38 PM.
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Last edited by daviddee; 08-25-2021 at 06:11 PM.
Thank you for the correction.
Should users of government services pay the costs of those services?
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-29-2014 at 02:48 PM.
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renouncing citizenship seems to me to be something you would mail in a letter stating your intent to ditch your citizenship, not something you apply for, like canceling a cellphone contract, lol. I guess you have to pay the fee for severing the "social contract" everyone speaks of.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
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How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
No, of course not.
FEMA campers should expect a bill.
People who have their dogs and loved ones shot, should expect a bill.
Whether you $#@!ing like it or not.
"Government services." LOL.
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Secession should be free.
The whole idea that the US government will follow you around the world taking your wealth is bizarre to begin with and you should not have to pay them to make them stop. They should stop out of shame alone.
The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.
"Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron
"Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton
If someone is punching you in the face, is it fair that you pay them a fee to stop?
The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.
"Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron
"Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton
Not sure if this is true, but the story at one point was that when China executed a dissident, it sent the bill for the ammunition used to the family. I guess they should not have expected to get that service for free either.
The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.
"Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron
"Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton
Actually you need to be outside of the US and personally appear at a US consulate or embassy to apply for renouncing your citizenship. The information you give has to be verified which takes time and costs to be researched. It isn't just "I don't want to do this anymore- cross my name off the list" by mail or email thing.
Some places like National Parks or states are starting to charge people for costs of search and rescue if they think you were "negligent" in your actions.
Zip, have you ever stated your reason for being on this board? I would really like to know.
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Why not? Here's my ID. This was my SSN. Cancel subscription. DONE. It should cost less than $25.
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Paying for services is counter to Libertarianism? Paying the real costs helps get proper allocation of resources. If something is subsidized or under priced it will be over- utilized (actually this is an economic, not political view).
Have you stated your reasons? Do you ask all people that question?
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-29-2014 at 03:31 PM.
I'm on here to read the news, talk with like-minded people, and have a couple of a laughs.
No, I don't ask everyone that question, but I'm asking you. Why are you on this forum?
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Answering questions with questions. I am not very active on this board, but I have been lurking for a while. It is rather easy to spot the trolls.
To be a paid government shill and take names, numbers and addresses. Congratulations on making the list!
(Yes, that is a joke!).
I take it you think I don't belong. Because I don't always agree with everything? A world where everybody agrees is a very boring one. It also stagnates and never changes. Nobody has to think. I don't trust somebody who agrees with everything.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-29-2014 at 03:24 PM.
Social contracts, the state, taxes etc etc are counter to libertarianism.
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