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    Ron Paul: (Sales) Taxation Is Theft

    (Sales) Taxation Is Theft

    Ron Paul
    February 6, 2023


    A group of House Republicans is supporting legislation that would replace federal income, payroll, estate, and gift taxes with a 30 percent national sales tax. The bill also eliminates the Internal Revenue Service, giving states the responsibility to collect the sales tax and send the revenue to DC.

    This deputizing of states to act as federal tax collectors violates the principles of federalism, especially since the plan forces states that have chosen not to make their residents pay sales taxes create a mechanism for collecting sales tax.

    A 30 percent sales tax on all goods with no exceptions and no deductions will increase taxes imposed on millions of Americans. The sales tax legislation provides a way Americans can receive a monthly “prebate” payment to help offset the cost of the sales tax. Still, many taxpayers would be paying more under the new national sales tax system.

    If the sales tax becomes law, Congress may never have to increase the rate above 30 percent. This is because it can rely on the Federal Reserve to increase the sales taxes via inflation. Consequently, this inflation tax will increase the pain inflicted by the sales tax on the American people.

    The imposition of a national sales tax will lead to a flourishing black market for many goods. This will cause the government to increase surveillance of our purchases. It could also lead to government bureaucrats keeping lists of our purchases. This information could be abused by government officials to embarrass and punish political enemies. The surveillance could track whether an individual is complying with government dietary recommendations or is consuming “extremist” content. The need to ensure compliance with the tax laws may also be used to justify replacing cash with government issued and managed digital currency.

    The proposed national sales tax rate is set at a high level because the bill’s sponsors did not want to reduce the federal government’s revenue. A big problem with tax reform occurs when it fails to include reductions in federal spending.

    Unfortunately, even some libertarians get sucked into the DC game of ignoring the need to tie tax reform to reducing government spending. Instead, they focus on making the tax code more efficient. Even worse is if they make the supply-side argument that certain taxes should be cut to increase government revenue. Libertarians should view increasing government revenue as an unfortunate consequence of otherwise sound tax policy. They should advocate for tax cuts that are far beyond the point where tax cuts increase government revenue.

    Some people support sales taxes because sales taxes discourage consumption and encourage savings and investment. While savings and investment are crucial to a free market, government policies should, to the greatest extent possible, be neutral between savings and consumption. Policies favoring savings distort the market just as do policies that encourage consumption.

    Supporters of the free market who pursue various tax reform schemes without also working to cut spending are putting the cart before the horse. The American people will not be free from tax tyranny until government is returned to its constitutional limitations. This will not occur until enough people reject the welfare-warfare state and embrace the moral, as well as the practical, case for peace and liberty.
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    Every form of taxation is theft.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Every form of taxation is theft.
    Hear hear! (Here here???)
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    (Sales) Taxation Is Theft

    Ron Paul
    February 6, 2023


    A group of House Republicans is supporting legislation that would replace federal income, payroll, estate, and gift taxes with a 30 percent national sales tax...
    Leaving a thinking man to wonder whether they are traitorous filth, or simply too stupid to breathe on their own despite their good intentions.

    And why THIRTY percent? If you're going to take a leg, why not both, given that one leg does a man little to no good whatsoever? I say SIXTY percent, though there are those who'd call me a daft sissy for not going for 100. Who needs cash when Theye can anticipate all your needs. And don't forget that nobody needs desires, wants, wishes. $#@! into one hat and wish into another to see which one fills up first <--- prima facie PROOF that wants and desires are meaningless in a proper communist or other totalitarian state. Ye shalt own nothing and shalt be happy, lest mine hammer come down upon thee with great and punishing might.

    In a less sarcastic vein, how about TWO percent, or even ONE? I say repudiate the national debit in toto, remove the IRS, remove all taxation, save the 1% sales pinch, enact my Amendment 28, and see where things go from there.

    The bill also eliminates the Internal Revenue Service, giving states the responsibility to collect the sales tax and send the revenue to DC.
    And what happens when a state decides to give DC the finger and either not collect the tax, or not send it on?

    This deputizing of states to act as federal tax collectors violates the principles of federalism, especially since the plan forces states that have chosen not to make their residents pay sales taxes create a mechanism for collecting sales tax.
    And there, behold ye, is the rub... one of several.

    A 30 percent sales tax on all goods with no exceptions and no deductions will increase taxes imposed on millions of Americans. The sales tax legislation provides a way Americans can receive a monthly “prebate” payment to help offset the cost of the sales tax. Still, many taxpayers would be paying more under the new national sales tax system.
    It would appear the ermin on the R side of the aisle still have not twigged to the fact that taxation is robbery.

    If the sales tax becomes law, Congress may never have to increase the rate above 30 percent. This is because it can rely on the Federal Reserve to increase the sales taxes via inflation. Consequently, this inflation tax will increase the pain inflicted by the sales tax on the American people.
    If this is true, then the people in question are stupid beyond my computer's capacity to cite a number because in such cases the taxes do not rise at all, proportionally speaking. Does nobody in the esteemed body of vipers understand even the most basic characteristics of numbers and proportionality? To label them "idiot" is to insult the idiots of the world.

    The imposition of a national sales tax will lead to a flourishing black market for many goods. This will cause the government to increase surveillance of our purchases. It could also lead to government bureaucrats keeping lists of our purchases. This information could be abused by government officials to embarrass and punish political enemies. The surveillance could track whether an individual is complying with government dietary recommendations or is consuming “extremist” content. The need to ensure compliance with the tax laws may also be used to justify replacing cash with government issued and managed digital currency.
    This is pissing up a rope because few, if any, Americans will take any measures worth the noting to stop it. We are stomped down by the scum vermin at nearly every turn and all we do is whine like spoiled children, which is basically what we've become. Most still fail to realize that there exists two worlds here: that of the scum (that's us in Theire eyes), and that of the exalted (that's Themme, in Theire eyes). The two worlds touch each other in no ways. The effects of Theire venomous decisions fall upon us, not them. Theye have no incentive to heed our demands because there are no unpleasant consequences for having ignored us. They eat steak, we eat insects. It is as plain and simple as that. Theye will never enact measures that hold themselves accountable for what they do, so the only solutions rest strictly and solely in our hands, those of we, the Scum. But we refuse to take up those reins, so we get what we dish our to ourselves. Theye are only the symptomatic products of our own corruptions as "a people", a statistical gestalt. I'm sorry to say it, but on the mean, Americans are wholly insufficient to the bar of the Freeman, and are undeserving of what little freedom remains. All else equal, I would have no problem with them being reduced to chattel status, but all is not equal. As they travel along they Tyrant's chute to the slaughter of their liberties, that sucking sound you hear are all the worthy men being dragged along that powerful vortex street.

    The proposed national sales tax rate is set at a high level because the bill’s sponsors did not want to reduce the federal government’s revenue.
    And with that fact is their treachery betrayed for all to witness, their treason against the sovereignty of the free man revealed in vulgar blatancy.

    A big problem with tax reform occurs when it fails to include reductions in federal spending.
    They want their cake. They want to eat it, as well. $#@! the lot of them, for not a one is your friend. They are devils every bit that of their Democrat counterparts.

    Two sides. One coin.

    Unfortunately, even some libertarians get sucked into the DC game of ignoring the need to tie tax reform to reducing government spending.
    The sad truth is that most people don't know how to think in a cogent fashion. They don't know how to evade noise issues; how to refine to the essentials, so they get cauht up in irrelevancies. It is no wonder they never arrive at proper conclusions. They are lost among the noise signals such that even when they latch on to something right, they are unable to reconcile that bit with all the other irrelevancies that crowd their thoughts. It's not terribly unlike having a large jigsaw puzzle made of uninteresting pieces, all of them having a place in that scheme. But also have on hand there are a few stray pieces from a puzzle that is, in fact, very interesting. No matter how often you pick them up, there is no place in the puzzle at hand where they will fit. Those people cannot connect the dots because they cannot be fit. The art and craft in this case is knowing how to separate wheat from chaff, discarding the latter and putting the pieces together of the former. Few people are able to do this and it is a problem of vast enormity.

    How can one act properly if he cannot think properly?


    Instead, they focus on making the tax code more efficient.
    Exactly. These men are not our friends. They are dangerous if they are corrupt. They are trebly so if their intentions are pure.

    Even worse is if they make the supply-side argument that certain taxes should be cut to increase government revenue. Libertarians should view increasing government revenue as an unfortunate consequence of otherwise sound tax policy. They should advocate for tax cuts that are far beyond the point where tax cuts increase government revenue.
    The only sound tax policy is no taxation. Period.

    But back on planet earth... I could live with a 1% sales tax with no double taxations. Retail would be the only taxable transaction, and even for that I have grave reservations because humans. The vicious, virulent scum of "government" will always attempt to twist the semantic plane of Law and statute to gain what they want. Making it a capital offense would go a long way toward correcting this problem. I am against the death penalty as a general rule, but am 100% behind it for all "government" assets who make even the most seemingly innocuous suggestions of violating those to whom they wear their oaths. Kill them as one kills houseflies. Slaughter them until the chicanery goes ghost. On this point I am deadly serious. Death must be the reward for anyone under oath who betrays that pledge and the people to whom it is sworn.

    Some people support sales taxes because sales taxes discourage consumption and encourage savings and investment.
    Some people are idiots; corrupt, rotten in the marrow.

    While savings and investment are crucial to a free market, government policies should, to the greatest extent possible, be neutral between savings and consumption. Policies favoring savings distort the market just as do policies that encourage consumption.
    But until those in "government" stare down the barrels of unbearable consequence, they will never beg off, but very much to the contrary will they continue to interfere and encroach and betray and violate. It is what they do. It is the only thing that they do.

    Supporters of the free market who pursue various tax reform schemes without also working to cut spending are putting the cart before the horse. The American people will not be free from tax tyranny until government is returned to its constitutional limitations. This will not occur until enough people reject the welfare-warfare state and embrace the moral, as well as the practical, case for peace and liberty.
    It will not occur until we begin the televised executions of all violators of their oaths. The killing should be cold and clinical, done with a sense of utter indifference to the lives being removed from the earth. This, I submit, would strike the wildest sense of terror into the hearts of all men, as it should. The mere thought of a service the rights of those to whom you have sworn an oath of good faith and service should leave you quaking in your boots. I say kill them all with frigid indifference and watch "government" straighten itself with rapidity that will leave you wondering whether it is real or some grand hallucination. Butcher them and leave the bodies for the buzzards and coyotes and may God have mercy on anyone attempting to retrieve the remains. Let the bones bleach in the sun and gather them for disposal in a mine shaft. Let every asset held by their families be forfeit and leave those people in penury, the additional penalty paid for the criminal acts of the corrupt.

    In the age of superorganisms (nation-states), the Framers may have been right in saying that "government" becomes a necessary evil, but that does not mean that it has to run amok as we now find. Those who constitute so-called "government" can be held, feet to the fire, but we are the ones who have to do the holding. Thus far, we show no interest in that bit of very dirty work. So until we are up for it, nothing is going to change. The advocates of pure anarchy are pissing up a rope. Not only will it never happen, barring a true reset event, we don't want it to happen. Why? Superorganization is why. Superorganization is the low-denominator to which all must submit themselves, or be consumed in the fires of governmental evil. What do I mean? Glad you asked.

    Consider the rise of China. Prior to opening its doors for business, it's main stock in trade being their blatant slave-labor market which was the bait they used to sucker American businessmen into moving to communist waters, American business lived with the high costs of doing business in America, all of it courtesy of the "government". But then China came onto the scene, waving its slave-labor force like a woman waving her snatch in front of a sailor who's been out to sea just a little too long.

    Now let's focus on just one market: athletic shoes. In 1980 the best shoes available were running in the $200+ range. I know because I was a ski mechanic at Princeton Ski and Skate on Fifth Avenue and 35th street. This was a high-ticket shop. I even met an actual king who shopped there. The athletic shoes were ungodly $$$, especially for a poor schlub making $4.50/hr mounting skis all day. When the Chinese market opened up to American industry, the first manufacturer of athletic shoes to move there, reducing their labor costs from $15/hr to $0.25, the rest of the players in that sector were forced to decide: move to China and survive or go out of business. The CHonese slave-labor market became the new low denominator to which all would have to submit themselves or go out of business.

    The same has been the case with "government". A superorganized society is materially more powerful than one that is not. Therefore, the new low denominator in terms of politics, is superorganization. One either follows suit, or risks being consumed by those who have.

    That is where we stand. If America went pure anarchist, China and Russia... hell, even Canada, would eat us alive. Of that there can be no doubt because humans. That is all we need to know. Humans. Humans cannot be trusted with power because on the whole we are rotten creatures.

    And you can take that to the bank. There is more, but for another day.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.



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