Should ISIS be an exception to nonintervention?

[Feeding the Abscess]

Depressing that even people on Ron Paul's page are saying, "Ron, you're great and everything, but 'we' need to intervene now."

Interview with Dan McAdams of RPI.

[CaptUSA]

In a free country, there would be nothing stopping someone if they wanted to intervene. They just couldn't force the rest of the country to do it for them.

[thoughtomator]

Unless we're under direct attack, the only acceptable form of "intervention" is to open up the arms bazaar and let peoples defend themselves.

[DamianTV]

If we hadnt intervened to begin with 60 years ago, then 50 years ago, then 45 years ago, then 30 years ago, then 20 years ago, then 10 years ago, there would be NO need for us to intervene now. By constantly intervening, funding their enemies when they wear different labels, undermining their currency, destroying their infrastructure, there would be no need for intervention.

The thing is, Stability is NOT the goal. In fact, it is the exact opposite. The US needs a threat in order to monger fear at home, and ISIS / ISIL is able to foot the bill once Iraq is unstable enough for long enough. By maintaining a lack of stability in the entire Middle East, the US makes many countries, not just Iraq, completely dependant, and thus, controllable. The control is used to manufacture terrorism at every turn. The same way as Cops here killing innocents creates the need for even more Cops. It validates the Govts excuse for endless wars by providing a constant supply of infinte undefeatable enemies because it always manufactures new enemies through its intervention. That dependancy Iraq has on us is taken advantage of to maintain their instability. It is no different than the numerous problems that a Welfare state causes at home.

This is the Welfare / Warfare Tactic in action.

[Lucille]

The ME Christians have been being persecuted since Bush launched his Islamic-Theocracy building wars, and suddenly conservatives care? What's so special about these particular Christians? They're in Iraq. It just sickens me how they're being used as an excuse to re-start that dumbass war which they refuse to call a huge mistake.

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

SMH.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Mossad and CIA created, trained, and had their proxy tyrants, Turkey, Qatar, House of Saud, U.A.E. and Kuwait arm the terrorist groups. Accessory to murder, is still results in murder.


Nothing will ever change, when some elite person/group, some government(s) want to gain, profit, and control. It always happens at the expense of the taxpayers and innocent life.

BTW, listen to this Devious Devil of Deception... listen to every word, every emphasis, every dramatic line, and listen to what sociopathic multimillionaire 'Judge' Jeanine Pirro of US corporate media (FOX/NEWSCORP) inflicts on the unsuspecting viewers. Well scripted, well planned, and most importantly well timed, to prep the clueless viewers for the operations to commence. (Jun 21, 2014)

Joseph Goebbels would be absolutely delighted on how US media controls and desensatizes the public opinion to war, killing, and the inheritance of debt, insecurity, tyranny.

[69360]

I have a slightly different perspective. I think it would have been best to just leave ISIS alone and maybe arm the Kurds at most. But now since Obama poked at them with his bombs and got ISIS all pissed off at the US, I think we may have to wipe ISIS out before blowback happens.

[kcchiefs6465]

This place has really gone to hell.

[Koz]

In a free country, there would be nothing stopping someone if they wanted to intervene. They just couldn't force the rest of the country to do it for them.

I completely agree, raise money, hire mercenaries, buy arms. Nothing is stopping anyone from intervening. I don't understand why people expect the government to steal my money to hire soldiers and buy arms to do the same thing. Who wants to pony up the first dollar?

[HOLLYWOOD]

If we hadnt intervened to begin with 60 years ago, then 50 years ago, then 45 years ago, then 30 years ago, then 20 years ago, then 10 years ago, there would be NO need for us to intervene now. By constantly intervening, funding their enemies when they wear different labels, undermining their currency, destroying their infrastructure, there would be no need for intervention.

The thing is, Stability is NOT the goal. In fact, it is the exact opposite. The US needs a threat in order to monger fear at home, and ISIS / ISIL is able to foot the bill once Iraq is unstable enough for long enough. By maintaining a lack of stability in the entire Middle East, the US makes many countries, not just Iraq, completely dependant, and thus, controllable. The control is used to manufacture terrorism at every turn. The same way as Cops here killing innocents creates the need for even more Cops. It validates the Govts excuse for endless wars by providing a constant supply of infinite undefeatable enemies because it always manufactures new enemies through its intervention. That dependency Iraq has on us is taken advantage of to maintain their instability. It is no different than the numerous problems that a Welfare state causes at home.

This is the Welfare / Warfare Tactic in action.

^^^^YEP... who stands to profit/gain? Keep the money flowing to those who already run the racket.

[Brian4Liberty]

Interview with Dan McAdams of RPI.

It was all pretty good until near the end when McAdams seemed to be against arms going to the Kurds. Don't the Kurds have the right to arm and defend themselves? Should the US continue to oppose the Kurds selling their own oil to raise money? Isn't opposing arms for the Kurds and preventing them from selling oil also "interventionism"?

[Pericles]

Unless we're under direct attack, the only acceptable form of "intervention" is to open up the arms bazaar and let peoples defend themselves.

That right there.

[Brian4Liberty]

Related:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...dish-oil-sales

[kcchiefs6465]

It was all pretty good until near the end when McAdams seemed to be against arms going to the Kurds. Don't the Kurds have the right to arm and defend themselves? Should the US continue to oppose the Kurds selling their own oil to raise money? Isn't opposing arms for the Kurds and preventing them from selling oil also "interventionism"?

Aside from American arms perpetuating strife, being used as geo-political tools to hold nations subservient while foolishly picking winners and losers, and perpetuating a system in which a class of rather unproductive (at best) destruction builders retain continual employment, I would agree, arm the Kurds.

Don't arm the Kurds with weapons built from money stolen from me. Fire the lot of them.

If a private citizen wished to arm the Kurds, by all means. That's not the way this system works.

[Uriel999]

I sure am glad the federal government created another enemy for me to go fight! Not!!!

[TheTexan]

If there's innocent people around the world getting terrorized we have a duty to stop it, because this is America

[jkob]

Intervention won't solve this problem, it would at best delay it until we leave once again. These countries need to be allowed to split apart and wars because of that are inevitable, there is literally nothing we can do. Taking one side against the other just creates another enemy for us, we can't occupy them forever, we can't force people to be civilized. Our interventionism is what created IS, we'd be just be adding fuel to the fire.

[Brian4Liberty]

Aside from American arms perpetuating strife, being used as geo-political tools to hold nations subservient while foolishly picking winners and losers, and perpetuating a system in which a class of rather unproductive (at best) destruction builders retain continual employment, I would agree, arm the Kurds.

Don't arm the Kurds with weapons built from money stolen from me.

Yep, sell it to them, don't use taxpayer money for it. The Kurds can start a "chip-in" if they want monetary aid. Hmmmmm. A politician could use that idea...

[Pericles]

Yep, sell it to them, don't use taxpayer money for it. The Kurds can start a "chip-in" if they want monetary aid. Hmmmmm. A politician could use that idea...

Or they could finance it via the oil they shipped to TX, but the USG decided was property of the Iraq central govt.

[Brian4Liberty]

Or they could finance it via the oil they shipped to TX, but the USG decided was property of the Iraq central govt.

They also have a tanker waiting near New Jersey that can't be unloaded.

[enhanced_deficit]

This would set a precedence.. when Arab Christians in Syria or Palestine are under threat or are bingmassacred by muslim/jewish or secular atheists... would US tax payers funded USTF bombing be in order?

Anyone has knowhow to answer this question.



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[Madison320]

I completely agree, raise money, hire mercenaries, buy arms. Nothing is stopping anyone from intervening. I don't understand why people expect the government to steal my money to hire soldiers and buy arms to do the same thing. Who wants to pony up the first dollar?

Suppose you had to check a box on your income tax form that says you support the Iraq war and want to fund it, please tax me another $500.

How many conservatives would check that box? Answer, zero! They're all hypocrites.

[heavenlyboy34]

If we hadnt intervened to begin with 60 years ago, then 50 years ago, then 45 years ago, then 30 years ago, then 20 years ago, then 10 years ago, there would be NO need for us to intervene now. By constantly intervening, funding their enemies when they wear different labels, undermining their currency, destroying their infrastructure, there would be no need for intervention.

The thing is, Stability is NOT the goal. In fact, it is the exact opposite. The US needs a threat in order to monger fear at home, and ISIS / ISIL is able to foot the bill once Iraq is unstable enough for long enough. By maintaining a lack of stability in the entire Middle East, the US makes many countries, not just Iraq, completely dependant, and thus, controllable. The control is used to manufacture terrorism at every turn. The same way as Cops here killing innocents creates the need for even more Cops. It validates the Govts excuse for endless wars by providing a constant supply of infinte undefeatable enemies because it always manufactures new enemies through its intervention. That dependancy Iraq has on us is taken advantage of to maintain their instability. It is no different than the numerous problems that a Welfare state causes at home.

This is the Welfare / Warfare Tactic in action.

The US State apparatchiki are unique and interesting IMO, because they can sell obvious bull$#@! to Boobus that would insult the intelligence of typical Citizens in the old USSR. I really kinda wish they could come up with better lies because it would be more interesting to listen to and pick apart.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Mossad and CIA created, trained, and had their proxy tyrants, Turkey, Qatar, House of Saud, U.A.E. and Kuwait arm the terrorist groups. Accessory to murder, is still results in murder.


Nothing will ever change, when some elite person/group, some government(s) want to gain, profit, and control. It always happens at the expense of the taxpayers and innocent life.

BTW, listen to this Devious Devil of Deception... listen to every word, every emphasis, every dramatic line, and listen to what sociopathic multimillionaire 'Judge' Jeanine Pirro of US corporate media (FOX/NEWSCORP) inflicts on the unsuspecting viewers. Well scripted, well planned, and most importantly well timed, to prep the clueless viewers for the operations to commence. (Jun 21, 2014)

Joseph Goebbels would be absolutely delighted on how US media controls and desensatizes the public opinion to war, killing, and the inheritance of debt, insecurity, tyranny.

Someone needs to cut that woman's tongue out. Her mouth resembles her $#@! because all I hear is $#@! coming out of it.

[CaptainAmerica]

no.

This will not happen either but it should in a perfect world :

McCain should be put under investigation along with John Kerry and the committee that gave funding and weaponry to "free syrian rebel army" leaders who are the same group of militants that cut the hearts out of little children after cutting the parents to pieces.

ISIS gained a lot of power because of the U.S. supplying "syrian rebels" .


Dropping bombs will not stop the frankenstein monster which u.s. foreign policy intentionally continues to create.

[VIDEODROME]

Ask Israel to accept and shelter Christian refugees.

[Lucille]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/...iraq-kool-aid/

Why are so many of those who call themselves “non-interventionist” suddenly jumping on the “bomb Iraq” bandwagon with the latest dose of US government propaganda about the critical need to “save the Kurds”? Do people really believe the US government is telling the truth this time and, more importantly, that bombs will solve the problem?

How strange that humanitarian catastrophes of a much larger scale are taking place currently in Syria, Ukraine, Gaza, and elsewhere and the US government is totally silent or even hostile to those who seek to help! Not to mention the half-million Christians already cleansed from Iraq under US occupation. Might it have something to do with oil? Israel? Neocons striking back? Yes, yes, and yes!

[juleswin]

Normally I would say yes because there is nothing I hate more than hired fools who would destroyed their country and at the same time give outsiders more reason to hate Islam. But I think the best thing for the US to do is to one tell the truth about what they did, some rank and file still believe they oppose the west and Israel even as they burn Palestinian flags and chant for the destruction of secular Arabic countries because they believe they are more dangerous to Islam than the US and Israel.

Bring out documents showing their commanders going through secret American training camps in Jordan, release phone call between their leader and their true masters and before you would know it they would have a mutiny on their hands. All the while stopping all funding and assistance from Western and Gulf state intelligence groups. But I have a feeling that would never happen.

$#@! the kurds, they is nothing special about selling out your country men just so you will be favored by the occupiers.

[pcosmar]

Ask Israel to accept and shelter Christian refugees.

Well you could ask,,
Don't hold your breath.

These radical and twisted mercenaries that we trained and armed were allowed to slaughter Christian Communities in Syria and Iraq,, with no action from the US. But now that Satan worshipers are threatened,, we start bombing.

It is a sick world we live in.

[Cutlerzzz]

If someone says that ISIS is evil and should be stopped I would agree.

So go on over to Iraq and Syria if you want to fight them. Just don't involve me and 320 million others behind this particular imaginary line.