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    Libya in Chaos

    A number of stories out today... Libya has two competing governments now, each with its own parliament and armed forces. Also, the mystery airstrikes have been revealed to be a joint UAE/Egypt mission. And didn't bother to mention it to John Kerry beforehand. Or afterwards. Oh, also, Islamist forces have taken Tripoli airport, a very significant military objective.

    Airport and dueling governments:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...s-airport.html

    Egypt/UAE airstrikes:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5709907.html

    More details and ineffectual US response:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...raids-revealed


    Keep this handy to stuff in the mouth of the next neocon who thinks that bombing will solve anything, or the next "progressive" who thinks Obama's done a swell job.



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    WTH?

    The first link in the OP on the overtake of the Libyan airport has a video describing the overtake of a Syrian airport playing along with the article. Are they trying to confuse the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    WTH?

    The first link in the OP on the overtake of the Libyan airport has a video describing the overtake of a Syrian airport playing along with the article. Are they trying to confuse the two?
    A major military airport in Syria was also lost to jihadis earlier the very same day.

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    Obama and Boehner and the rest of the 'rubber-stamps' on Capital Hill have blood and murder on their hands, as usual.

    Here's an update: The U.S. is actually baffled by airstrikes in Libya ...YEAH RIGHT

    Pretty insulting considering their Mi6/CIA puppet (Generalissimo al-Sisi) is controlling Egypt. Everyone knows the track record terror tormented by 'Emirates' aid. Always through proxies, always through proxies today.

    lol! Libya TV broadcasts news and commentary about Libya. Libya TV is based in Doha, Qatar and was set up in 2011 during the Libyan civil war with the aim of countering the state media at the time.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28933070Libya crisis: US 'caught off-guard' by air strikes

    Footage shows militias standing guard at Tripoli airport on Sunday, after the air strikes failed to stop them taking it over. Rana Jawad reports from the city

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    Libya after Gaddafi, Hell


    US officials say Egypt and the UAE were behind air strikes in Libya last week that targeted Islamist-linked militia.
    A senior US official told the BBC that Washington was not consulted about the attacks and was "caught off-guard".
    The air strikes on militia positions around Tripoli's international airport were reportedly carried out by Emirati fighter jets using bases in Egypt.
    The Egyptian authorities have denied involvement, and there has been no direct comment from the UAE.
    The strikes failed to stop militias from Misrata and other cities, which operate under the banner Libya Dawn and include some Islamist groups, seizing the airport from a militia from Zintan that had controlled it since 2011.

    Planes have been badly damaged by fighting at the airport

    The BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says the Misrata alliance is now effectively in control of the capital because their rivals have withdrawn from the city.
    She says that life has largely come to a standstill, with many business and offices closed, while many residents are afraid.
    Hundreds of people have died during more than a month of fighting which has left the airport in ruins.

    Analysis: Jonathan Marcus, BBC News What US officials have described as a pair of air strikes in and around Tripoli airport by jets from the United Arab Emirate is remarkable for a number of reasons.
    Firstly the fact that the small Gulf state - staging from an airfield in Egypt - carried out the attacks at all.
    This is very unusual - a mark of the growing unease of the region's traditional rulers at the upheavals prompted by radical Islamists.
    Secondly there is the fact that neither the UAE, nor Egypt, told Washington in advance. It is a measure of the declining standing in the region of the Obama administration, which is widely seen as hesitant and vacillating.
    Of course, the US was significantly involved in the operation to oust Libya's former regime, but since then, neither it nor its partners like Britain and France, have shown much ability to influence events on the ground.


    Libya's main international airport has been closed for more than a month

    'Outside interference' The official told the BBC that the US had not been consulted about the air strikes and that it was concerned that US weapons may have been used, violating agreements under which they were sold.

    A report in The New York Times
    on Monday said the UAE had provided the military aircraft, aerial refueling planes and crews while Egypt gave access to its air bases.

    The first air strikes, which took place on 18 August, targeted a small weapons depot and other militia positions, US officials told the newspaper. Six people were reportedly killed.
    Then on Saturday, jets bombed rocket launchers, military vehicles and a warehouse controlled by militiamen, the officials added, leaving at least a dozen people dead.

    The air strikes failed to stop the Misrata-led alliance from taking control of Tripoli


    On Monday, the US, France, Germany, Italy and the UK issued a joint statement denouncing "outside interference" in Libya which it said "exacerbates current divisions and undermines Libya's democratic transition".

    The BBC's Barbara Plett Usher in Washington says the air strikes have exposed another battleground in a regional struggle for power between Arab autocrats and Islamist movements.
    Qatar has provided weapons and money to Islamist forces in Libya and elsewhere, she says, while Egypt and the UAE along with Saudi Arabia are trying to roll back Islamist advances.
    Violence in Libya has surged recently between the rival groups who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi in the 2011 uprising.
    Libya's police and army remain weak in comparison with the militia.


    Battle for Libya: Misrata-led alliance (Libya Dawn):

    • Effectively in control of Tripoli
    • Includes some Islamist militias, such as LROR
    • Also Libya Central Shield
    • Called on former parliament, GNC, to reconvene

    Zintan-led alliance:

    • Had controlled Tripoli airport for three years
    • Includes al-Qaqa Brigade and al-Sawaiq Brigade
    • Al-Qaqa had officially joined the national army but remained autonomous
    • Supports new parliament
    • Loosely allied with rogue General Haftar, who has been attacking Islamist groups in eastern city of Benghazi


    Why is Libya lawless?

    Guide to Libya's militias

    Rival parliaments In another development on Monday, some members of Libya's previous Islamist-dominated parliament reconvened and voted to disband the country's interim government.
    Elections in June saw the old General National Congress (GNC), where Islamists had a strong voice, replaced by the House of Representatives, dominated by liberals and federalists.

    The GNC has refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of its successor assembly, which is based in Tobruk and is recognised by the international community.
    The GNC's mandate expired in June and not enough of its former members gathered in Tripoli on Monday to form a quorum.
    The House of Representatives says the groups now in control of Tripoli are "terrorist organizations".
    But the Misrata-led brigade has called on the GNC to resume work.
    Libya's government has repeatedly called for the militia groups to disband and join the national army. But so far, few have shown a willingness to disarm.
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    There goes Hitlary's crowning achievement. Move on. Nothing to see here.

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    Another interventionist success in the American Empire's perpetual War of Terror.

    The Aftermath of NATO's Libya War: ISIS Reportedly Seizes Mediterranean City
    http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/19/th...yan-interventi
    Almost exactly three years after NATO's intervention in Libya ended with what we were told was a great victory, ISIS has reportedly taken control of the Libyan city of Derna:
    The black flag of ISIS flies over government buildings. Police cars carry the group's insignia. The local football stadium is used for public executions. A town in Syria or Iraq? No. A city on the coast of the Mediterranean, in Libya.

    Fighters loyal to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria are now in complete control of the city of Derna, population of about 100,000, not far from the Egyptian border and just about 200 miles from the southern shores of the European Union....

    The Libyan branch of ISIS now has a tight grip on the city, controlling the courts, all aspects of administration, education, and the local radio. "Derna today looks identical to Raqqa, the ISIS headquarters town in Syria," [counterterrorist Noman] Benotman told CNN.
    Meanwhile, Marc Lynch, who supported the Libya war, has posted some reflections this week on how he got that call wrong. One interesting point he makes is that NATO helped pave the way for not just the present chaos in Libya but the present chaos in Syria...
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...atization-quot
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    Update: Libya six years after Arab Spring.

    https://www.rt.com/news/377750-arab-...versary-lybia/

    Fertile ground for extremism

    Gaddafi’s home city, Sirte, is still controlled by Islamic State which seized the area in 2015. IS has been expanding into Libya over the past two years. According to the UN data, between 2000 to 3000 IS fighters are operating in Libya, including 1500 in Sirte, in 2015.

    The West which once supported ‘freedom fighters’ battling the ‘dictator Gaddafi,’ are also slowly realizing that the 2011 intervention in Libya was a mistake.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...4681578256288/

    "The forces of the self-styled Libyan National Army have been laying siege to Tripoli since April, under the leadership of commander Khalifa Haftar, who is aligned with a rival administration in Tobruk, opposing the UN-backed Government of National Accord and allied forces, based in the capital," UNSMIL said.
    Forces allied with the GNA described the attack as an aerial attack launched by the LNA, but a militia spokesperson denied any involvement in the attack.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51003034

    Turkey is moving troops now...




    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said troops have begun moving into Libya after parliament approved the move last week.
    He said their mission was to ensure stability for the UN-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli.
    The Libyan government is fighting an insurgency by rebel forces under Gen Khalifa Haftar, based in eastern Libya.
    Gen Haftar is backed by Egypt and the UAE, while the UN-backed government is supported by Turkey and its ally Qatar.
    Rebel forces have been trying to capture Tripoli and were blamed for an air strike on a military academy on Saturday that killed at least 30 people. They denied any involvement.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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