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    RIP Irwin Schiff

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff

    Died in Jail. He was terminally ill, but they would not release him to be with his family.


    Irwin Allan Schiff (February 24, 1928 – October 16, 2015) was an American and a prominent figure in the tax honesty movement. Schiff was known for writing and promoting literature in which he claimed the United States income tax is applied incorrectly.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.



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    So sorry to hear that.
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  4. #3
    Bummer. RIP. He was an actual hero.

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    Here goes an incredible man who was targeted by the elite and punished for trying to tell people the truth. This man is a true martyr but he shouldn't have had to be.

    RIP Mr. Schiff. You were a good and honest man and I will always value your contribution to the world.

    $#@! the Feds whom would keep this man locked up till the day he died.
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    Wow. He was over 80 years old, and the bastards wouldn't let him out. He should have just killed somebody. That comes with a shorter sentence.

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    RI.P. and memory eternal. :'(
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Wow. He was over 80 years old, and the bastards wouldn't let him out. He should have just killed somebody. That comes with a shorter sentence.
    Murder of normal people doesn't pose a threat to the state.

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    Just heard about this. This government is SICK (and I'm not using the current slang).

    No one should pass away in prison for his "sins."

    This might be an example of why someone should waste and parish...



    Not what he did.



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    R.I.P. Mr. Schiff. You are now free from these tyrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Wow. He was over 80 years old, and the bastards wouldn't let him out. He should have just killed somebody. That comes with a shorter sentence.
    I hope Peter & Andrew resign their US citizenship over this.

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    Rest in Peace .

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    A Tribute to the Life and Legacy of Irwin Schiff



    It is with great sadness and a deep appreciation for the work of Irwin Schiff that I report his passing while in prison.

    My condolences to Peter Schiff and family on the loss of his father Irwin. He was a true patriot fighting the tax system and federal overreach for many years.

    Read more via OKGrassroots Permalink



    Video Composite from 1996 – Published on Oct 17, 2015 via Peter Schiff
    Irwin Schiff at the Libertarian Presidential Convention 1996. IRS. Show me the law!

    “My father, Irwin A. Schiff was born Feb. 23rd 1928, the 8th child and only of son of Jewish immigrants, who had crossed the Atlantic twenty years earlier in search of freedom. As a result of their hope and courage my father was fortunate to have been born into the freest nation in the history of the world. But when he passed away on Oct. 16th, 2105 at the age of 87, a political prisoner of that same nation, legally blind and shackled to a hospital bed in a guarded room in intensive care, the free nation he was born into had itself died years earlier.”



    Last edited by scrosnoe; 10-17-2015 at 10:39 PM. Reason: to add video link

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrosnoe View Post


    It is with great sadness and a deep appreciation for the work of Irwin Schiff that I reporting his passing while in prison.

    My condolences to Peter Schiff and family on the loss of his father Irwin. He was a true patriot fighting the tax system and federal overreach for many years.

    https://youtu.be/3D_yq6PCdYk

    Read more via OKGrassroots Permalink
    ...
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    RIP - Another political prisoner...

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    If you read this Peter, you have my condolences. You also have my affirmation that I do not pay a federal income tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    RIP - Another political prisoner...
    ..and that is all. Hope everyone else learns this lesson. Move along.

    Well, $#@! them. Conscientious objector going on...I dunno. Five years now? Doesn't matter. I'm done with it. "Thou shalt not steal."
    Last edited by phill4paul; 10-17-2015 at 11:03 PM.



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  20. #17
    Someone should print up some "I am Irwin" t-shirts.
    Seriously, though, my condolences to you Peter and the Schiff family and friends.

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    While I would like to offer my condolences, I also have to say it was an indirect IRS issue that brought me to Ron Paul. I bought Irwin's book and followed everything stated. Years later I had the IRS after me and my boss was going to allow them to garnish my wages. I had no recourse other than to enter into a payment plan to pay my taxes. 5 years later I am still trying to pay it off. Great book, but do not follow it unless you're a Trillionaire and could fight big government. Looking for help with these IRS issues is how I found Ron Paul. I was thinking how could anyone hear his message and NOT vote for him! He wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS FFS!

    Here I am now, so many years later, the butt of the joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrosnoe View Post


    “My father, Irwin A. Schiff was born Feb. 23rd 1928, the 8th child and only of son of Jewish immigrants, who had crossed the Atlantic twenty years earlier in search of freedom. As a result of their hope and courage my father was fortunate to have been born into the freest nation in the history of the world. But when he passed away on Oct. 16th, 2105 at the age of 87, a political prisoner of that same nation, legally blind and shackled to a hospital bed in a guarded room in intensive care, the free nation he was born into had itself died years earlier.”

    Shackled to the bed?!

    Who in the world reading this is so endlessly stupid or corrupt that they cannot or will not see the bottomless viciousness of the people who would do such things to another?

    I have a lot of respect for Irwin Schiff. Unlike most of us, he put his money where his mouth was and his hide on the line for real... and paid a huge price for the sake of a nation whose people do not, on the average, deserve a whit of what he gave them.

    Wherever he may be at this moment, I hope it is a far better place than that in which the rest of us remain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feelgood View Post
    While I would like to offer my condolences, I also have to say it was an indirect IRS issue that brought me to Ron Paul. I bought Irwin's book and followed everything stated. Years later I had the IRS after me and my boss was going to allow them to garnish my wages. I had no recourse other than to enter into a payment plan to pay my taxes. 5 years later I am still trying to pay it off. Great book, but do not follow it unless you're a Trillionaire and could fight big government. Looking for help with these IRS issues is how I found Ron Paul. I was thinking how could anyone hear his message and NOT vote for him! He wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS FFS!

    Here I am now, so many years later, the butt of the joke.
    Nice try

    Not sure what joke you're referring to
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    lol, Irwin Schiff called Bill Clinton "Tweedle D" before the Lewinsky scandal

    That should play well with the hipsters
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    R.I.P. Irwin, you deserved much better.

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    I am saddened by this loss. RIP Irwin

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    Rest Free Irwin
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Nice try

    Not sure what joke you're referring to
    Nice try? What kind of a stupid comment is that? The joke is that you can actually beat Big Government and expect them to play by the rules. Applying Irwin's advice got me into over $24,000 in trouble with the IRS. The joke? Everything stated in Irwin's book that I applied and get me in hot water. My advice, steer clear and do not follow the advice Irwin outlined in his book.

    Damn shame at the end of it all he had to die a prisoner of the state.
    Last edited by Feelgood; 10-18-2015 at 03:42 PM.
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    He was a hero with brass balls. The state is cruel and relentless in how they treated him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feelgood View Post
    Nice try? What kind of a stupid comment is that? The joke is that you can actually beat Big Government and expect them to play by the rules. Applying Irwin's advice got me into over $24,000 in trouble with the IRS. The joke? Everything stated in Irwin's book that I applied and get me in hot water. My advice, steer clear and do not follow the advice Irwin outlined in his book.

    Damn shame at the end of it all he had to die a prisoner of the state.
    The great majority of tax honesty folks who have applied the concepts (by first making themselves judgment proof, while keeping their activity free of the SSN tracking number, and consistently challenging IRS misapplied tax assessments) have not experienced the hot water above described. There are only 2,000 some odd prosecutions for tax fraud a year, despite over 65 million Americans neither filing or paying. The bulk of IRS harassment is directed at prominent tax truth figures, to try to scare the rest of us off.

    Libertarians agree that taxation is legalized theft, but some of us draw the line at unlawful theft, where tax collection is fraudulently enforced even where it is not applicable. Irwin Schiff was one of the brave figures who took a leadership role in pointing this out. I will always cherish the LP National convention I attended in 2002 where he took the time to talk to me and another party member and gave us an impromptu hour lecture on the tax gestapo. He shared even when there was no monetary gain to be had. He will be missed.
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    Truth is Treason

    RIP good sir

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    Truly horrible. Peter was just on AJ Show hopeful that he might be granted house arrest at his home for the remainder of his time, as he was very ill this last year. Peter sounded to be making arrangements for him, no firearms whatsoever and all of that BS. Separate rules for the Berger and Scooters of this world, but not for the Paul and Schiffs.
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