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Thread: Rand Paul: Foreign policy is no place for "red lines."

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    Rand Paul: Foreign policy is no place for "red lines."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...bc3_story.html

    I am not for containment in Iran. Let me repeat that, since no one seems to be listening closely: I am unequivocally not for containing Iran.

    I am also not for announcing that the United States should never contain Iran. That was the choice I was given a few months ago and is the scenario being misunderstood by some in the news.

    To be against a “we will never contain Iran” resolution is not the same as being for containment of a nuclear Iran. Rather, it means that foreign policy is complicated and doesn’t fit neatly within a bumper sticker, headline or tweet.

    Those who reduce it to such do a disservice to their reporting and, potentially, to the security of our nation.

    To some people this may seem to be a nuance, but it is, in fact, an incredibly important detail in the consideration of war.

    Nuance has been a bit lacking in our foreign policy of late. Whether through preemptive war or “red lines” that were crossed without consequence, the extremes of foreign policy have had their way, and it has not worked.

    Ronald Reagan was once criticized for not announcing in advance his policy toward particular situations. He was accused of not having a concrete foreign policy. His response was that he simply chose not to announce his policies in advance.

    If he had been bluffing the Soviets with his Strategic Defense Initiative, or using it as leverage in negotiations, it would have been counterproductive to announce that in advance.

    In fact, Reagan often practiced strategic ambiguity. He thought, as many other presidents have, that we should not announce to our enemies what we might do in every conceivable hypothetical situation.

    It is a dumb idea to announce to Iran that you would accept and contain that country if it were to become a nuclear power. But it is equally dumb, dangerous and foolhardy to announce in advance how we would react to any nation that obtains nuclear weapons.

    If, after World War II, we had preemptively announced that containment of nuclear powers would never be considered, the United States would have trapped itself into nuclear confrontations with Russia, China, Pakistan, India and North Korea.

    I believe all options should be on the table to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, including the military option. I have voted repeatedly for sanctions against Iran and will continue to do so. But I will also continue to argue that war is a last resort and that, as Reagan wrote, we should be reluctant to go to war but resolved to do so if necessary.

    Should war become necessary, the American people through their representatives must debate and deliberate the pros and cons of action and not be trapped into a predetermined response based on a resolution passed without debate or discussion.

    The Constitution reserved the power to declare war to Congress, and when contemplating war, words are critical.

    Containment of Iran is a bad idea, but our leaders need to think before they speak and consider that preemptively announcing responses to every hypothetical situation may well damage our ability to keep the United States safe and strong.

    I have often said that we have, for too long, had a debate between the extremes of foreign policy — and that to be on either end of the extremes can have life-or-death consequences.

    False choices between being everywhere all of the time and nowhere any of the time are fodder for debate on Sunday morning shows or newspaper columns. Real foreign policy is made in the middle; with nuance; in the gray area of diplomacy, engagement and reluctantly, if necessary, military action.

    National defense is the No. 1 job of our government, and I believe in a strong nation, at peace with the world.

    I believe peace through strength should be our goal at all times.



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    ya before some people get too deep i will translate it for you.. red line means a point beyond which you are willing to go to war, so as opposed to what some might insist to think, this is a positive for non interventionists

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    That seems to be a clear and reasoned explanation of Rand's position. It is a position that makes sense to me and if Rand can explain this in an understandable way to the typical low-information voter, I think that it will garner a lot of support (which would drive the pundits and neocons nuts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    That seems to be a clear and reasoned explanation of Rand's position. It is a position that makes sense to me and if Rand can explain this in an understandable way to the typical low-information voter, I think that it will garner a lot of support (which would drive the pundits and neocons nuts).
    Actually, it is more or less common sense and is really how we have conducted foreign policy throughout most of our history. The idea that we ever had a policy of "splendid isolation" is just nonsense.

    What is distinctive about Paul's policy is that it addresses the national security, but other than that, it is agenda free. The problem with the neocons, but also even with the Obama administration is that their policy recommendations are driven by private, but powerful interests that have their own personal agendas.

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    I still don't like this line, but I hope that it's just empty rhetoric.

    "I believe all options should be on the table to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, including the military option."

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    Rand, talking to the American people like we're adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    I still don't like this line, but I hope that it's just empty rhetoric.

    "I believe all options should be on the table to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, including the military option."
    It's a bit confusing. On the one hand he says he does not favor a policy of "containment" of Iran's nuclear program, but he also doesn't rule out military action to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon. Since Iran isn't even close to getting a nuclear weapon (despite all the media hype to the contrary), I think it is largely empty rhetoric. I think Rand is trying to put forward a balanced approach to foreign policy which doesn't discard our current international security framework but doesn't rely on intervention either. The problem is that going back and forth on various issues isn't the same thing as balance, and Rand sometimes seems to be going back and forth. I think he needs to put forward a clear and concise statement of his foreign policy views and is truly balanced and coherent and avoids apparent contradictions. Of course, there's a difference between a contradiction and a nuance, but the MSM is totally immune to nuance so you can't be too fine. I think Rand has already made a couple of attempts at clarifying his foreign policy position and this is one of those. It's actually far more sophisticated than others have put forward even as his critics attack it as "naïve," but the problem he faces is getting the ambiguities out of his presentation even as he asserts (quite correctly) that ambiguities are a necessary part of the foreign policy process.



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    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    That seems to be a clear and reasoned explanation of Rand's position. It is a position that makes sense to me and if Rand can explain this in an understandable way to the typical low-information voter, I think that it will garner a lot of support (which would drive the pundits and neocons nuts).
    Not according to the comments, unfortunately.

    War! Why? Because 'Murica! dat's why!
    Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779

    Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!

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    317 comments on that article, and the only 3 they show are mocking (you have to click to view all comments).
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    317 comments on that article, and the only 3 they show are mocking (you have to click to view all comments).
    that's about what I expect from the people that vote for most of these reps we see elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Rand, talking to the American people like we're adults.
    Damn, I knew there had to be some flaw in his approach that would put a kibosh on his candidacy.

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    That.... Was awesome. How anyone could NOT agree with that is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaPolitico View Post
    That.... Was awesome. How anyone could NOT agree with that is beyond me.
    Let me help you out here. winword rates this at a 10.8 grade level. Most major newspapers target a 6-8 grade level. Chances are, this editorial went over the heads of a great many of their readers.

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    Meh. Same old watered down, indecisive comments about Iran from him. If you're not for containment, why do you admit to continuing to vote in favor of sanctions?

    I understand he's trying to win over Republicans but he should have taken this opportunity to flat out call out neocons and anyone else in favor of war for their hypocrisy when it comes to "fiscal conservatism".



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