Obama stumps about man-made climate change; calls ~50% of Americans "radical fringe"

[devil21]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...614-story.html

"They say when they're asked about climate change , 'Hey, look, I'm not a scientist.' Obama said to applause. "And "I'll translate that for you: what that really means is, 'I know that manmade climate change really is happening but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot, so I'm not going to admit it."

The president said he actually preferred those who to say climate change was a hoax.

"Their view may be wrong," he said, "and fairly serious threat to everyone's future, but at least they have the brass to say what they actually think."
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Obama, who used the appearance to announce the creation of a $1-billion competitive fund for states affected by severe weather, complimented his audience. {d21: can this guy ever stop finding things to spend money on??}

more at link....

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Regarding 50% claim, 2013 Yale survey showed that half the population believes climate change/global warming is man-made. The numbers of believers has been steadily falling.

http://environment.yale.edu/climate-...efs-April-2013

[Zippyjuan]

The 50% figure is only those who say climate change is "mostly" caused by humans. Those who said it was all natural causes was 33%- not 50% which means at least two thirds of people surveyed believe that humans are at least partly responsible for climate change.

At the same time, belief that global warming is due mostly to natural changes in the environment is
up slightly to 33% (up 3 points since Fall 2012), but also similar to levels stretching back several
years.

The survey also said:

Nearly two in three Americans (63%) believe global warming is happening. Relatively few – only 16 percent – believe it is not. However, since Fall 2012, the percentage of Americans who believe global warming is happening has dropped 7 points to 63%, likely influenced by the relatively cold winter of 2012-13 in the United States and an unusually cold March just before the survey was conducted. - See more at: http://environment.yale.edu/climate-....9kSb6SwI.dpuf

It adds:

3. Need for More Information

Three in ten Americans agree they could easily change their mind about global warming.

(I would also add that polls are not facts about if humans have any impact on climate change).

It would not be correct to assume what he meant, but it was possibly a reference to the 16% who say climate change is not happening.

[devil21]

Ok then Zipparoo. Obama calls somewhere between 33% and 50% of Americans "radical fringe". Happy now? That's only 100 million to 150 million people in this country.

Will the media blast Obama for insulting half the country like they blasted Romney? Ha, fat chance.

[acptulsa]

"A fanatic is always the fellow that is on the opposite side."--Will Rogers 1930

Obama is going to keep calling people radical fringe in his zeal to divide and conquer until there's no one who isn't radical fringe but him.

At which point he will be the radical fringe and we will not.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But locating your house/business right on top of the river or near a huge body of water is not radical at all.

[Anti Federalist]

"Their view may be wrong," he said, "and fairly serious threat to everyone's future, but at least they have the brass to say what they actually think."

"Their view may be wrong," he said, "and fairly serious threat to everyone's future, but at least they have the brass to say what they actually think."

"Their view may be wrong," he said, "and fairly serious threat to everyone's future, but at least they have the brass to say what they actually think."

[A Son of Liberty]

The only thing which may be fairly construed to be a serious threat to everyone's future is a bad idea in the hands of someone with incontestable authority. The "president" lives and breathes serious threats to everyone's future every second of his life.

[oyarde]

Obama is going to keep calling people radical fringe in his zeal to divide and conquer until there's no one who isn't radical fringe but him.

At which point he will be the radical fringe and we will not.

He already is , I am just an extremist .I am extremely unhappy about all Fed govt that is illegal and is outside of Article One , Section Eight.

[oyarde]

Living well and avoiding any tax possible is the only way to get even with the radical thieves ......

[oyarde]

The only thing which may be fairly construed to be a serious threat to everyone's future is a bad idea in the hands of someone with incontestable authority. The "president" lives and breathes serious threats to everyone's future every second of his life.

He is a nasty , vile , evil , violent , thieving , conniving , miscreant SOB for sure.

[DFF]

Interesting comments coming from the radical lefts greatest achievement.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

...gotta convince Americans that climate change is not only real, but man-made and caused by our capitalist economy - and by and large, caused by our liberty as Americans. Only once an overwhelming majority of chuckleheads have been brainwashed will they peacefully acquiesce to carbon exchange markets, carbon taxes, and value added taxes.

That's the motivation behind Obama and his ilk. Environmental consciousness cannot be allowed to begin and end with keeping the water clean and the air clear, or to safeguard flora and fauna, along with humanity's comfortable and modern existence. It's all about making Joe Six Pack willing to part with more and more of his money via transfers of wealth from social class to social class, and nation to nation.

[Ronin Truth]

After all these years of BS propaganda, ~50% is pretty close to a majority composed of the "radical fringe". The loony left really needs a new bogus issue and agenda. A different spokesman just might help them out too.

[NoOneButPaul]

Even if y9ou think Global Warming is a hoax it doesn't mean you should be against a cleaner environment.

[dannno]

Even if y9ou think Global Warming is a hoax it doesn't mean you should be against a cleaner environment.

Correct.

But here's the problem, assuming that man-made global warming is a hoax, the last 18 years of global warming "pause" showing that practically all of the climate models are completely off-base, temperatures were warmer back in the 1300s with a higher CO2 concentration and the oceans were at the same level they are now and we had better crop yields in more parts of the world...then we had a mini-ice age that peaked in the late 1700s and the reason temperatures have been going up in the 1800s and 1900s is because we have been coming out of the mini-ice age and there is nothing threatening about the temperature rises that we have been seeing..

So based on that assumption.. If we adopt the view that CO2 is dangerous and output levels should be curbed, what automatically makes you think that we would see a decrease in overall toxic pollution?

For example, let's say you have two projects to provide energy to people - one of those projects outputs 2 units of CO2 per energy unit acquired and .2 units of toxic pollution. Another project outputs 2.5 units of CO2 per energy unit acquired and only .1 units of toxic pollution. If you have laws focused on curbing CO2 then you will end up with the project that has greater amounts of toxic pollution. If environmentalists focused on toxic pollution instead of CO2, we would end up with less toxic pollution. If anything, all this is a rouse to get people to ignore actual toxic pollution.

[libertyjam]

Speaking of a cleaner environment, I have been looking for sometime to post these-

The Dirty side of the Green renewable movement.

In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale


This toxic lake poisons Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what's left behind after making the magnets for Britain's latest wind turbines... and, as a special Live investigation reveals, is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem


The lake of toxic waste at Baotou, China, which as been dumped by the rare earth processing plants in the background

On the outskirts of one of China’s most polluted cities, an old farmer stares despairingly out across an immense lake of bubbling toxic waste covered in black dust. He remembers it as fields of wheat and corn.
Yan Man Jia Hong is a dedicated Communist. At 74, he still believes in his revolutionary heroes, but he despises the young local officials and entrepreneurs who have let this happen.

‘Chairman Mao was a hero and saved us,’ he says. ‘But these people only care about money. They have destroyed our lives.’
Vast fortunes are being amassed here in Inner Mongolia; the region has more than 90 per cent of the world’s legal reserves of rare earth metals, and specifically neodymium, the element needed to make the magnets in the most striking of green energy producers, wind turbines. <cont.>

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...#ixzz34jFOOX5b


Rare Earths and Other Chemicals Damaging the Environmental Value of Renewables

The old adage about how you don’t want to see how laws or sausage is made applies to so-called renewable energy. Specifically, you don’t want to know the environmental cost of all those rare earth minerals that the technology requires.
Solar energy requires components which are manufactured using lots of dirty traditional energy. The wind power industry produces a great deal of toxic waste and kills thousands of birds. Mining rare earth minerals, which are essential for so much green energy, especially wind turbines, is a dirty business.
Is it worth the cost? That depends on whom you ask.
Solar Energy: Not So Clean After All.
Solar energy turns sunlight into electrical power. What’s not to like? Well, there is that whole process of manufacturing solar panels, which requires a great deal of energy. All that energy requires generation via means other than solar power — usually coal.
“In the case of silicon-based solar panels, which are the most common type, the silicon material requires melting silica rock in roughly 3,000-degree F ovens,” notes The Data Center Journal. “That energy, however, typically comes from coal plants, meaning that although solar panels may produce no emissions when in operation, they indirectly produce a fair amount during manufacturing.”
And what to do with the solar panels when their productive life is over in about 25 years or so? And what about all the waste chemicals generated by the solar panel manufacturing process? The Union of Concerned Scientists write that the photovoltaic (PV) cell manufacturing process “includes a number of hazardous materials,” similar to “those used in the general semiconductor industry,” such as “hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, 1,1,1-trichloroethane, and acetone.” If we’re talking about thin-film PV cells, it’s worse, as UCS explains, since those have “more toxic materials than those used in traditional silicon photovoltaic cells, including gallium arsenide, copper-indium-gallium-diselenide, and cadmium-telluride.”
Wind Energy: About Those Rare Earths… <cont. @ link>



Analysis Shows Solar Modules Cause More Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Modern Coal Power Plants!

By P Gosselin on 25. März 2014
It turns out that because of the emissions of extraordinarily potent greenhouse gases NF3 and SF6 and energy during the manufacture of solar modules, solar energy ends up being worse for the climate than burning coal (assuming the global warming hypothesis is valid).
A Swiss engineer has made a thorough analysis of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by the manufacture, transport and operation of solar panels. His conclusion:

Solar energy in Germany is climate killer no. 1!”

Ferrucio Ferroni writes here how China is the number 1 manufacturer of solar panels globally and that the production of solar panels there requires immense amounts of electricity, which in China is mainly produced by coal power plants. Moreover the manufacture of solar panels also involves substantial amounts of potent greenhouse gases that leak out into the atmosphere.
The result Ferroni writes:

The comparison on CO2 emissions of a modern coal power plant and that of a PV system shows that per kilowatt-hour of power produced, PV systems damage the climate more. This statement is true if the hypothesis of the IPCC is correct to start with.”

Ferroni writes that it is accepted as fact the coal power plants emit carbon dioxide. But what is little known is that PV systems also lead to the emission of considerable quantities greenhouse gases – not during their operation, but during their manufacture.

- See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/03/25/a....aPNDifFJ.dpuf
Analysis Shows Solar Modules Cause More Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Modern Coal Power Plants!

By P Gosselin on 25. März 2014

It turns out that because of the emissions of extraordinarily potent greenhouse gases NF3 and SF6 and energy during the manufacture of solar modules, solar energy ends up being worse for the climate than burning coal (assuming the global warming hypothesis is valid).

A Swiss engineer has made a thorough analysis of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by the manufacture, transport and operation of solar panels. His conclusion:

Solar energy in Germany is climate killer no. 1!”

Ferrucio Ferroni writes here how China is the number 1 manufacturer of solar panels globally and that the production of solar panels there requires immense amounts of electricity, which in China is mainly produced by coal power plants. Moreover the manufacture of solar panels also involves substantial amounts of potent greenhouse gases that leak out into the atmosphere.

The result Ferroni writes:

The comparison on CO2 emissions of a modern coal power plant and that of a PV system shows that per kilowatt-hour of power produced, PV systems damage the climate more. This statement is true if the hypothesis of the IPCC is correct to start with.”

Ferroni writes that it is accepted as fact the coal power plants emit carbon dioxide. But what is little known is that PV systems also lead to the emission of considerable quantities greenhouse gases – not during their operation, but during their manufacture.<cont.>

[Spikender]

I look forward to the day this scam is finally exposed, just like the scam of the MIC.

The gall this man has to call the millions of Americans who haven't bought this lie "fringe" is astonishing.