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    TPP is probably the most secretive legislation in Congressional history

    Comments from various congresscritters about the secrecy around TPP. It's actually "highly classified" material and treated as such.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7417116.html

    The pair noted that although legislators are allowed to look at the text of the TPP in a secure room, they are only allowed to do so under restrictions that make it nearly impossible to understand what they are reading.

    First, they can't bring expert staffers with them unless they have the right clearances, and the aides who have expertise in various relevant areas -- for instance on the impacts on the environment or labor law -- generally are not cleared.

    Second, lawmakers can't record anything, or take any notes from the room.

    "They'll give you a piece of paper if you want to take notes, but then you have to give them back the piece of paper," Warren said.

    The legislators can't talk to anyone about what they've read, either.

    "We are unable to take any notes or consider what we just saw unless we have a photographic memory and, unfortunately, I do not," Manchin said. "I've tried to remember and look at things I knew I was looking for, but still it's almost impossible to walk out of there having the ability to sit down and evaluate what you just saw." more at link
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    Really? We put up with this $#@!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Really? We put up with this $#@!?
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    For your own good....
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    TPP is probably the most secretive legislation in Congressional history
    No, the most secretive legislation in Congressional history was ████████████████████████.

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    There's gotta be some seriously $#@!ed up stuff in this 'trade agreement' if it's being kept under literally classified material security measures.

    Fast Track passed the Senate today.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...uthority-bill/

    If it passes the House, does it give Obama the unilateral power to approve the UN Small Arms Treaty?
    Last edited by devil21; 05-22-2015 at 09:20 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If it passes the House, does it give Obama the unilateral power to approve the UN Small Arms Treaty?
    That's a good point... In theory I dont see why not

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    I bet the SOPA/PIPA stuff is buried in there. New international laws that allow corporations to go after anyone in the world "legally".



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    Ho-hum, probably just selling out America ................. AGAIN. <boring>

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    Yep , I agree , must be some pretty bad stuff in it .



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