Attachment 4904
Printable View
History will vindicate the truthers, but by then, who will even care? Everyone will be so deep into the matrix at that point that they won't care about anything except drinking Brawndo. Hell, we are practically there now. After a generation of Common Core, the adults won't be able to tie their own shoes.
Member of 9/11 Commission: We didn't have the time, we didn't have the resources, we didn't follow leads.
Is there a connection between OP news and this news?
Paul Ryan travels to Israel, Saudi Arabia
That said, let's wait till investigations are completed and all the facts come out.
Technically, no they weren't part of the 9/11 commission report, because they were taken out of the 9/11 commission report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
What's your point?
That is not the same as saying that the government, or even someone in the government, orchestrated it.Quote:
“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States,” says Graham in the clip.
Does a coverup make it complicit, after the fact? LIHOP could just be looking the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelatc
I do not doubt there is a cover up of some sort, but I do not think the government intentionally allowed it to happen, and I certainly do not think that the government orchestrated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin Truth
I like to think that if those pages showed direct evidence of a government connection that one of the many people pushing for the release would be man enough to stand up and say so, even if it meant getting arrested. If that's not the case, then we're screwed no matter what happens from here on out.
Happy that 60 minutes ran this piece & it was fairly well done.
Saudi Goverment direct involvement is one part of the 911 operation. (Turkey, Israel & Bush family connections are another..)
Keep in mind that the current Saudi Monarch is off the rails, Warring big time with little neighbor Yemen & STILL heavily supporting the jihads inside Syria.
US has come to our senses & realizes Assad is best option.
Obama has to go to Saudi Arabia in 10 days & I believe this 60 minute piece & 28 page intelligence report, is leverage.
Lots of folks agree with you. ;) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by angelatc
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by vita3
If we were in Germany, we'd all be locked up by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by presence
Quote:
Originally Posted by angelatc
So do you believe that there is not now, and never has been, anyone ever on the payroll of the U.S. government that seeks to harm Americans or is willing to do so to achieve some greater aim? Because history, going all the way back to the American revolutionary war, proves you wrong. More recently, the 1993 WTC bombing was under the direct operational control of people withing the FBI. That instructed the bomber to use real explosives. That's not up for debate. When it comes to 9/11, there is clear indisputable evidence of interference by people inside the government with pre-attack investigations that could have prevented 9/11. Case in point is the U.S. justice department lawyers who blocked Cowleen Rowley from submitting a request to the FISA court to inspect Moussoui's laptop. I emphasize the world lawyer because it shows they were not following their proper role. As lawyers for the government they should have been advocating to the FISA court that Rowley be granted access and it should have been up to the court to make the final decision if there was a constitutional problem, which their wasn't. And then there's testimony of Michael Springman that the CIA was using Jeddah Saudi Arabia to allow questionable young men to be cleared for entry into the U.S. Some of the hijackers came through Jeddah. When Springman complained he was relieved of that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelatc
The 28 pages are merely the tip of the iceberg, but they prove the iceberg indeed exists. Accessory after the fact is a crime. And Bush helping the Bin Laden family to escape post 9/11 is accessory after the fact. Also what usually gets criminals caught, especially on these high level types of crimes, isn't the crime itself but the cover up. Richard Nixon went down because of the cover up. Al Capone went down because of the cover up. But even in exposing the cover up, more cover up is happening. Goss and Graham are pushing the Saudi connection but covering up the Pakistani connection.....probably because they are connected to it.
I don't think so. Only the pilots needed to speak english or be intelligent. The others were just muscle. Hijacking a plane wasn't much of a complicated task pre-911. It really wasn't a complicated task at the time, LE just figured a hijacked plane would be flown somewhere and land. So not much security was in place to stop it. The idea of an airliner as a WMD wasn't on the radar, no pun intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
On the other hand, I think the accusation that the Saudi government and Royals had a hand in 9/11 is plausible.
Two completely different reports by different groups looking at different things. The "Joint inquiry" looked into what the intelligence community did and the 9/11 Commission looked into what happened overall. The 9/11 Commission met after this report was compiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by UWDude
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-...ty-eight-pages
Quote:
Immediately after the Joint Congressional Inquiry finished its report, in late 2002, the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States—better known as the 9/11 Commission—began its work, under the leadership of Thomas Kean, the former governor of New Jersey, and Lee Hamilton, a former congressman from Indiana.
heh...similar to the way 'law enforcement' investigates wrong doing in their own departments...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
but in this case...911 was an inside job...
It should have been on the radar. It wasn't like it was a new concept...Quote:
Originally Posted by 69360
http://www.historycommons.org/contex...=a94clancybookQuote:
Clancy had in fact written a book called Debt of Honor, released in 1994, that included a plotline of a suicide pilot deliberately crashing a Boeing 747 into the US Capitol building (see August 17, 1994). Presumably influenced by this book, Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) had outlined a similar scenario the following year, which he’d said was “not far-fetched” (see April 3, 1995). Some commentators will later refer to Clancy’s book when criticizing official claims of surprise at the nature of the 9/11 attacks. Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who was in the Pentagon when it was struck, will write, “I thought most people in the military read Tom Clancy novels in the 1990s. And yet, military leaders and spokespersons consistently expressed shock and surprise at such a possibility.… Was Tom Clancy really more savvy than the entire Pentagon?” [GRIFFIN AND SCOTT, 2006, PP. 27] Newsday columnist James Pinkerton later comments, “insofar as Clancy is one of the best-selling authors in the country with a particularly large following among military types, it’s a depressing commentary on military intelligence that Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, could say, a month [after 9/11], to the American Forces Radio and Television Service, ‘You hate to admit it, but we hadn’t thought about this.’” [NEWSDAY, 5/20/2002]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69360
On August 6, 2001, the President personally "received a one-and-a-half page briefing advising him that Osama bin Laden was capable of a major strike against the US, and that the plot could include the hijacking of an American airplane." In July 2001, the Administration was also told that terrorists had explored using airplanes as missiles. [Source: NBC, 9/10/02; LA Times, 9/27/01]
Well, there's no point in re-hashing everything now, all I can say is I do not make that claim lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 69360
(No point in this regard: nobody but us kooks care one way or the other. 95 percent of Idiot AmeriKa can't recall or care what they had for fucking breakfast, let alone the political machinations and corruption behind an event that happened 15 years ago.)
There are more than a couple of instances where the hijackers crossed government's radar, and were ignored, deliberately.
Given that, and this government's track record in pulling off the exact same kind of operation, convinces me beyond any reasonable doubt.
Your mileage may vary.
Why do you hate AmeriKa?Quote:
Originally Posted by JK/SEA
Why do you not trust our brave government officers?
They would never lie.
Video clears Texas man of assaulting cop—did police commit perjury?
"Without the video I would be in prison. There is no doubt about that."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...ommit-perjury/
Yes, and the 28 pages never made it into the 9/11 commission report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
You are trying to obfuscate the big picture with pointless details. You are arguing about nothing with me. What you are saying is, as always, irrelevant.
Everyone knows the Patriots didn't make it into the super bowl. But you are arguing they didn't because they didn't win all their playoff games... ..like... yeah, dumbass... we know... dumbass... that's why they weren't in the Superbowl. You're not making any point whatsoever.