NYT Expose On Chinese Working Conditions In Apple Factories - Microeconomic Help Please

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Originally Posted by onlyrp

They need fixing and are not necessarily at their maximum efficiency, but it doesn't mean they "Should be" by now. The fact they may need fixing in terms of financial and regulatory efficiency, is independent of whether cars can travel at the speed of light or whether medicine can cure AIDS.

As for why I argue with you, look back at your own posts. You claim one thing, then when I correct you, you change what you say.
You ask me how we're better than 1912, then you say you didn't say we're not better. You say we might as well be communist, then you admit you don't know what communist country fits your dream. You call our current state slavery, but you can't tell me what country is better. You say I must agree with you if I'm a Ron Paul supporter, otherwise I must be, or might as well be an Obama supporter...that's why I argue with you, I don't take nicely people cheapshooting.

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I never said cars should travel at the speed of light or find the cure for aids, you did. But there should be progress in both industries. The car industries should be able to make cars more fuel efficient and at lower cost over time. The health industry should be able to develop some cures. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I was only talking about the theory of communism, not comparing it to any specific country. If you are only going to give people the opportunities to have the basics, then you might as well be a communist country. If you really want an example of a communist country, the U.S. is the closest thing that is modeled after communist economic principles. Its about 90% communist and 10% capitalist. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

There are no ideal communist countries anymore. The vast majority of communist countries have adopted capitalist principles, so there are very few communist countries. In fact countries like China are actually more capitalist than we are and are better run than the U.S. But they are far from an ideal government.

Just because there are no examples of counties with an ideal system, that does not mean the U.S. is run correctly. Almost all countries are poorly run, thats why most of them are on the verge of bankruptcy. Being that you are a Ron Paul supporter, you should be aware that the country is not run correctly, and when I state exactly that, you should not be coming up with some bs excuse to argue with me. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I've already explained how slavery exists for most americans. Regardless of how other countries operate, that has nothing to do with the fact that most americans are slaves. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

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Originally Posted by tttppp

I never said cars should travel at the speed of light or find the cure for aids. But there should be progress in both industries. The car industries should be able to make cars more fuel efficient and at lower cost over time. The health industry should be able to develop some cures. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I was only talking about the theory of communism, not comparing it to any specific country. If you are only going to give people the opportunities to have the basics, then you might as well be a communist country. If you really want an example of a communist country, the U.S. is the closest thing that is modeled after communist economic principles. Its about 90% communist and 10% capitalist. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

There are no ideal communist countries anymore. The vast majority of communist countries have adopted capitalist principles, so there are very few communist countries. In fact countries like China are actually more capitalist than we are and are better run than the U.S. But they are far from an ideal government.

Just because there are no examples of counties with an ideal system, that does not mean the U.S. is run correctly. Almost all countries are poorly run, thats why most of them are on the verge of bankruptcy. Being that you are a Ron Paul supporter, you should be aware that the country is not run correctly, and when I state exactly that, you should not be coming up with some bs excuse to argue with me. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I've already explained how slavery exists for most americans. Regardless of how other countries operate, that has nothing to do with the fact that most americans are slaves. You already knew this was the point, you are just playing dumb trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

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I wasn't playing dumb, I was making sure you made your point clear and not sweeping through generalizations.

Again, I was making sure you didn't get away by saying "Communist countries are better", thanks for admitting it's only in theory and the reality of US capitalism, as broken as it is, is better than ANY communist country in existence. If US 90% communist? Then you ought to tell me what country is 50% or less communist, what country is 100% communist, and which of them are more preferable to live.

Your definition of slavery is absurd, because you couldn't even deny the alleged "slaves" had plenty of choices.

Just because there are no ideal systems in reality, means you should accept reality and not act like you are entitled to the ideal system you know doesn't exist anywhere. We agree the country needs improvements, but I wonder if we agree on how much, and why. Getting you do take back what you say or be precise on what you mean is not playing dumb, it's playing honesty.

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Originally Posted by onlyrp

I wasn't playing dumb, I was making sure you made your point clear and not sweeping through generalizations.

Again, I was making sure you didn't get away by saying "Communist countries are better", thanks for admitting it's only in theory and the reality of US capitalism, as broken as it is, is better than ANY communist country in existence. If US 90% communist? Then you ought to tell me what country is 50% or less communist, what country is 100% communist, and which of them are more preferable to live.

Your definition of slavery is absurd, because you couldn't even deny the alleged "slaves" had plenty of choices.

Just because there are no ideal systems in reality, means you should accept reality and not act like you are entitled to the ideal system you know doesn't exist anywhere. We agree the country needs improvements, but I wonder if we agree on how much, and why. Getting you do take back what you say or be precise on what you mean is not playing dumb, it's playing honesty.

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Just because there are no ideal systems does not mean I should accept this one. I've already given you an example of China and how they are doing better than the U.S. because they have adopted more capitalist concepts than the U.S. If the U.S. just adopted its own capitalist economic concepts it teaches in school, then every industry would become more productive, costs would go down and results would go up. This is not some voodoo I'm preaching. This is economics 101. We're in this mess today because we elect leaders who have no understanding of basic economics. The concepts Obama has been preaching are pure communist principles, not capitalist.

We've already discussed the concept of slavery. Picking your own color of car does not give you real freedom. This is basically the same as asking a slave which horse he would prefer to help him plow the field. Its not a real freedom.

I don't know which countries are more or less communist and which are better to live in. Our educational system does a poor job of teaching our own history and does an even worse job teaching foreign history. Obviously Europe is more communist that we are, but I don't know much more than what I see on tv. I saw one country on tv that was pure communist, but I don't remember its name. I do remember its standard of living wasn't significantly lower than ours.

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Originally Posted by tttppp

I don't know which countries are more or less communist and which are better to live in.

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That's all you needed to say. So please don't say "We might as well be ___________" until you actually know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by onlyrp

That's all you needed to say. So please don't say "We might as well be ___________" until you actually know what you are talking about.

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As I stated before, I was talking about the theory of communism. I wasn't talking about any particular country. I never said lets move to ______ because they are communist.