Originally Posted by
Roy L
A right to liberty is not a claim to the land or a share of the land. How many times do I have to repeat this? It is the physical liberty -- the physical ability under one's own direct will, unconstrained by others -- to use the land. You need to get all that stupid propertarian bull$#!+ out of your head. Rights are not all just various ways of owning property. The fact that people have a right to get married is a liberty right, not a property right. It does not give them a "claim on" anyone else to be their spouse.
Dishonest garbage. Compensation is due the excluded for being deprived of their liberty, not "for not owning it themselves."
Where did it come from? Why is it the only one?
It is obvious that you are trying to pretend to talk about a product of labor, while also pretending that product of labor is in fixed supply, like land.
Stop pretending! Stop LYING!
Unlike those being deprived of their liberty to use land, the farmers are not being deprived of anything they would otherwise have had. The liberty to use the backhoe was not something they were born with, because someone had to produce it.
Assuming the backhoe was not stolen from its producer or a rightful owner who paid its producer to produce it, etc., yes.
No, you are trying to contrive a rationalization for embracing Marx's error of conflating capital and land, the same error apologists for capitalism make. You are pretending that a backhoe is land, and that land is a product of labor, like a backhoe. That is the same mistake socialists like Marx and capitalists like Rothbard make; though they make it for opposite purposes, both purposes are deceitful and evil.
The backhoe is not natural. It was not already there with no help from anyone. The land was. I can identify that self-evident and indisputable fact of objective physical reality for you from now till kingdom come, but I have no power to make you willing to know it. That must be your decision.
The land was already there, available to use, with no help from its "owner" or anyone else. The backhoe was not. You will apparently say and believe ANYTHING WHATEVER in order to avoid knowing that self-evident and indisputable fact of objective physical reality.
Yes, I believe it is. I have advised Helmuth several times to watch, "Judgment at Nuremberg," as it very clearly illustrates the process by which apparently decent people try to rationalize and justify even the most horrific evil. I advise you to watch it, too.
Private property in land and natural resources is the greatest evil in the history of the world, an evil that impoverishes all humanity, condemns billions of people to perpetual, grinding, undeserved poverty, and inflicts a Holocaust worth of robbery, oppression, enslavement, starvation, suffering, despair and death on innocent humanity EVERY YEAR. You are trying to rationalize and justify that evil. Stop it.