Confirmed: US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid

Just read it now on Washington Post:

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JERUSALEM -- An American citizen of Turkish origin was among the nine people killed in a botched Israeli effort to stop a Turkish aid ship from reaching the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, a Turkish official said on Thursday.

The nine bodies were flown home from Israel to Turkey on Wednesday, along with hundreds of activists, aboard a Turkish plane. Israel was not able to identify the bodies because the dead had no identification on them, Israeli officials said.

Continues: http://bit.ly/caFXVb

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Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Biden is right, a big test for Obama has just unfolded.

BTW, who was President when another US citizen Rachel Corrie was bulldozed to death alive by Israelis?

Inaction only encourages bad behavior it seems.

Expect no response from the US other than fake regret.
Remember when they ran over a female US citizen with a bull dozer a few years back while they were destroying Palestinian housing? I don't think we even gave them a reprimand.

eb

if mother theresa had been on the boat the right wing blogosphere would be making jokes about her death. Reagan, anybody.


it's a tragedy but it won't make the news

WOW.
I didn't know her name so I just did a google to see the answer to your question and discovered that the Irish ship that will try to break the blockade next is named after her!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_598924.html

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Former UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday said it was imperative that the Obama administration supported Ireland's call on the Israeli authorities to ensure safe passage for the Irish-flagged Rachel Corrie to carry humanitarian aid to Gaza, the Irish Times reports.

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Corrie was killed in 2003, which makes GWB the answer to your question.

eb

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Originally Posted by ibaghdadi

Just read it now on Washington Post:



Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?

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No worries. Joe Meadors, the USS Liberty survivor is safe.

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/i...aded-to-Greece

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Originally Posted by ibaghdadi

Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?

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Yup, He's back.

http://www.caller.com/news/2010/jun/...-man-flotilla/
CORPUS CHRISTI — Retired Corpus Christi accountant Joe Meadors arrived at Corpus Christi International Airport on Tuesday after Israel deported him following an incident Sunday

As are several other Americans.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_1...nclick_check=1

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SAN FRANCISCO—When Israeli commandos seized a supply flotilla bound for Gaza, Paul Larudee decided he would not go gently.

Larudee, a 64-year-old former linguistics professor and Fulbright scholar, put on a life vest and jumped in the Mediterranean Sea, said Joe Meadors, one of five Americans in Larudee's group known as the Free Palestine Movement.

On his swim toward Gaza, the Northern California man eluded an Israeli patrol craft for 30 minutes before he was cornered, Meadors said.

Larudee was taken to a prison, bruised and cut, where he refused medical treatment, said Akiva Tor, the Israeli consul general in San Francisco.

Tor said all the Americans in the flotilla except for Larudee would be back in the U.S. by Thursday.

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http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/i...aded-to-Greece

So is it 9 or 19 people killed?

YouTube - IT'S NINETEEN KILLED NOT NINE!

I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/ameri...ry?id=10814848

non issue...I heard this yesterday....somethingnlike 25% of political donations come from the jewsish and they are 2% of population.....this math says this story will not be news

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Originally Posted by Razmear

Expect no response from the US other than fake regret.
Remember when they ran over a female US citizen with a bull dozer a few years back while they were destroying Palestinian housing? I don't think we even gave them a reprimand.

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The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.

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I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/ameri...ry?id=10814848

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+1776. These people chose to try to break a lawful blockade imposed by Egypt and Israel, and then chose to participate in an attack on commandos enforcing the blockade. They brought this on themselves.

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+1776. These people chose to try to break a lawful blockade imposed by Egypt and Israel, and then chose to participate in an attack on commandos enforcing the blockade. They brought this on themselves.

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Illegal aliens (Israelis) in Palestine cannot legally blockade Palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the US can decide who comes and goes here. Or the US government can decide who is admitted to the Lakota Nation just because we stole the rest of the land.

lawful blockade ?

ALL blockades are an act of war ... and should be dealt with accordingly.

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The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.

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Now that's totally unfair. Sorry -- I agree that it was her choice to put her life at risk, and I also agree that the US government should do nothing about it, but to say that she was crazy or she caused her own death...? Everyone who witnessed the incident insists that the bulldozer operator knew she was there and deliberately ran her over.

YouTube - Rachel Corrie - American Hero!

She may have been a socialist (I'm not sure), but she was only 23, so give us a break.

This is Rachel Corrie when she was in 5th grade. She had a heart of gold even then. Tell me you're not moved by this.

YouTube - Rachel Corrie 5th Grade Speech I'm here because I care

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illegal aliens (israelis) in palestine cannot legally blockade palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the us can decide who comes and goes here. Or the us government can decide who is admitted to the lakota nation just because we stole the rest of the land.

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+1776

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Illegal aliens (Israelis) in Palestine cannot legally blockade Palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the US can decide who comes and goes here. Or the US government can decide who is admitted to the Lakota Nation just because we stole the rest of the land.

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Israelis are not illegal aliens, and they are lawfully conducting a blockade of a hostile province with the assistance of the enighboring country, Egypt.

Lakota? What kind of drivel are you spouting. I didn't steal anyone's land. Get out of here with your "collective guilt".

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Now that's totally unfair. Sorry -- I agree that it was her choice to put her life at risk, and I also agree that the US government should do nothing about it, but to say that she was crazy or she caused her own death...? Everyone who witnessed the incident insists that the bulldozer operator knew she was there and deliberately ran her over.

YouTube - Rachel Corrie - American Hero!

She may have been a socialist (I'm not sure), but she was only 23, so give us a break.

This is Rachel Corrie when she was in 5th grade. She had a heart of gold even then. Tell me you're not moved by this.

YouTube - Rachel Corrie 5th Grade Speech I'm here because I care

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Sure, she should have gotten out of the way. She was attempting to prevent the enforcement of the law in Israel, and she took the risks of standing in front of a bulldozer on her own shoulders... She bears the responsibility for her little "death by bulldozer" protest.

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lawful blockade ?

ALL blockades are an act of war ... and should be dealt with accordingly.

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Yeah, now you're starting to catch on. Israel and Egypt are AT WAR with GAZA!!!!

Got it, that's WHY Egypt and Israel have a blockade in place.

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Israelis are not illegal aliens

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Yes they are. Unless of course you're a big supporter of the United Nations.

Coming from a redistributionist like yourself it wouldn't surprise me. :)

baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends

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The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.

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so you admit they ran her over on purpose.

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Yes they are. Unless of course you're a big supporter of the United Nations.

Coming from a redistributionist like yourself it wouldn't surprise me. :)

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Government is that great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.

You're full of it. :rolleyes:

The UN is the group that has consistently opposed Israel, and has a 50 year history of passing resolutions condmening Israel. When Israel was invaded by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and the Arab League in 1948, the UN didn't have a problem, or in '56 until the Israelis kicked Egyptian ass, or in 1967 until it became obvious Israel was demolishing the Soviet equipped Arab armies, or in 1973 when Eqypt and Syria launched a surprise attack... until of course the Israelis recovered and began advancing into Syria and Egypt. Abolish the UN, abolish foreign aid, restore the non interventionist foreign policy of the framers, and allow foreign countries like Israel and Egypt to settle their own problems.

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baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends



so you admit they ran her over on purpose.

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I never admitted that, or said anything which even remotely could have been construed that way. I said, she committed suicide by bulldozer by standing right in front of it when it was bulldozing a house, and just refused to move. She took responsibility for herself, and she died. Tough.

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Government is that great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.

You're full of it. :rolleyes:

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No John, you're full of it. :)

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The UN is the group that has consistently opposed Israel,

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Like they say, ignorance is bliss! :D You must be a very happy man! :)

Might want to brush up on the very founding of the Israeli apartheid regime.


Have a good one! :D

the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?

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No John, you're full of it. :)



Like they say, ignorance is bliss! :) You must be a very happy man! :)

Might want to brush up on the very founding of the Israeli apartheid regime.


Have a good one! :D

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I'm familiar with the founding of Israel in June 1948, and I'm familiar with the various wars and international interventions which have occured there since.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you don't favor non-interventionism when it comes to Israel and their domestic conflicts?

Why precisely is Egypt and Israel not within their lawful powers to enforce a lawful blockade of an area they both maintain a state of war with? What exactly were the Germans doing in WWII with their UBoats? What was the U.S. doing in the Pacific? What did the American Navy do in the Revolutionary War??

Google "consistency" and read the definition.

Have a greeeat one. :D

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the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?

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The bulldozer was supposed to stop? Uh, I didn't see that memo. She took the risk, and her gamble lost. Tough.

She was an adult, and made an adult decision, thinking she wouldn't have to pay the consequences---not thinking she could be wrong, but she was.

"US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid "

They just better be glad it wasn't Miduras because, I swear to God, there would have been serious retribution.

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Why don't you just come out and admit that you don't favor non-interventionism when it comes to Israel and their domestic conflicts?

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lol! great way to start a debate... by making up your opponent's position for him. (and getting it wrong :D)

you are a hoot john! and always equally ridiculous! :)

this rest of your post was the typical john taylor crap pulled out of left field, so it's just as well that it's ignored!