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Coulter crosses the line again: "The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot"
She had recently insulted sitting POTUS by calling his presidency a "scam" and accusing him of nepotism, corruption etc. Previously some critics had also hinted about about corruption citing his son-in-law's connections in Israel and some Israeli companies profiting from US border contracts. But no credible proof has been reported in MSM.
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Originally Posted by PAF
If we burn it all down do you think we will be able to rebuild a free society with millions of communists added to the native left and the weak and foolish right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
Would a Constitutional convention today produce anything like what we have or the Articles of Confederation?
Or would we end up with something more like the Soviet Constitution?
They are lying, just like when they all lied and said there were only 10 Million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
The numbers are bogus on the liberal side, there are more illegals here than they admit, there are more coming than they admit and they commit more crimes than they admit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
And the political shift to communism that they cause is more than enough to keep them out
So your own source is lying. I guess you are lying too then. You lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
They are lying on the low side, they always do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
You lose.
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Originally Posted by PAF
Sword gives you another cogent and concise example of ''Natural Incentives'' , which obviously
you 'get' , then you immediately turn it into an argument.
:facepalm: :poo:
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Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
And Congress has in fact authorize the president to reallocate certain available funds in the event of a declared emergency. see: 10 U.S. Code 2808 and 33 U.S. Code 2293
JWK
It was February of 2019 when anongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, nota shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domesticenemies, socialists, communists andanarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to continue theinvasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.
asylumQuote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
noun asy·lum | \ ə-ˈsī-ləm
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Definition of asylum
1 : an inviolable place of refuge and protection giving shelter to criminals and debtors : sanctuary
2 : a place of retreat and security : shelter
3a : the protection or security afforded by an asylum : refuge
b : protection from arrest and extradition given especially to political refugees by a nation or by an embassy or other agency enjoying freedom from what is required by law for most people
4 somewhat old-fashioned : an institution providing care and protection to needy individuals (such as the infirm or destitute) and especially the mentally ill
And especially with regard to it being a national emergency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratovarious
JWK
Border patrol agents apprehended more than 100,000 people trying to enter the country illegally in just October and November of last year. LINK
Article 4, Section 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
I wonder if members of Congress who obstruct and refuse to protect a specific State against the ongoing invasion, can be individually sued for damages inflicted upon their citizens by illegal immigration.
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK
I can imagine the Roman Senate having similar useless and pointless philosophical arguments even as they were getting overrun by Visigoths and Vandals.Quote:
Originally Posted by phill4paul
Hyperbole? There is a very real and devastating impact from illegal immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995
Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department's Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County's assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.
Impacts on San Diego County
In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.
Welfare Costs.
When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.
Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.
Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.
Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.
Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.
Criminal justice.
A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.
According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.
Education.
Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.
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And, more recently see:
Illegal aliens cost California billions
2004
”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”
Also see: Testimony 51 Florida Hospitals in trouble due to illegal aliens expenses:
Jun 10, 2008
”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care
Aug 19, 2010
Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.
And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
May 6, 2013
”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”
And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014
Mar 2015
”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”
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There comes a time when the evidence concerning the general welfare of the United States can no longer be ignored, at least not by those who are deeply concerned about the well being of the United States.
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK
But JW, The Open Borders clan wants warm fuzzies for everyone, even MS13.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnwk
I'm sure 80% of the worlds population would love to immigrate here, and would do so illegally , given
the opportunity.
From the article:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnwk
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So even though the dollar stakes are quite small in a federal budget that will spend $4 trillion in the fiscal year that just started, I believe citizens and federal policymakers should stop pressing the Easy button and seriously ponder four important principled arguments against federal tax financing of health care for unauthorized immigrants:
•Federal funding is unnecessary
•Federal funding is inefficient
•Federal funding is unconstitutional
•Federal funding is immoral
Building a wall ignores the above but adds more cost in building, maintenance, hiring more police state, affects a $1B per day economy and over 3 million private/business property rights.
Address the above bullet points first by stoke of a little ball-point pen and then go from there.
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Originally Posted by PAF
Address the issue of 'Natural Incentives' that you fully understand one minute, and pretend to not to the
next., then ''go from there''
:facepalm:
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Originally Posted by Stratovarious
Strat, what are you looking for precisely? Natural Incentives (as SS defined), Natural Rights, Property Rights, far less government, all of which I advocate :up:
And that is precisely the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAF
You two are talking past each other.
[LIBEL] In Strat's mind, the fact that those things will continue to motivate immigrants to come here even without a taxpayer funded safety net for them is a bad thing. That it is a bad thing is so obvious to him that he just takes it for granted. This dogma needs no defense. He wants to know how you would stop them from coming here in pursuit of such incentives as you list, and doesn't understand how you could possibly be fine with it. [/LIBEL]
Meanwhile, when he asks you how you propose getting rid of those natural incentives, you're here saying, "Why in the world would I want to do that?" You wonder if you're misunderstanding him, and he just needs to explain his position more clearly (which, generally speaking, he does). But no, this time you understand him just fine. He really does think what it sounds like he thinks.
And I'll go out on a limb and say that most other immigration restrictionists may not be as overt about it. But they're coming from pretty close to the same place he is.
ha ha, and you don't see how cutting welfare isn't enough......:)Quote:
Originally Posted by PAF
Natural incentives are not a bad thing; they're a great thing! And the people who respond to natural incentives shouldn't be of concern to anyone except a xenophobic racist or a government tool. If immigrants respond to natural incentives only, then all of the collectivist problems that the government uses to instill fear in people disappears.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again."Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptUSA
My first question is whether or not your model of the end of the Roman Empire has any basis in reality. Did it really end because of lax immigration controls? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
My skepticism of that could be misguided. And if it is, then my next question would be why that's supposed to be a bad thing.
You are talking about the Roman Empire.
It used to be that around here people could mention empires and not need to explain that they were something we all opposed.
Well said +repQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptUSA
There was a time people on this site were so anti statist that they rejected drunk driving laws. Now they seem to be fighting for the preservation of the empire. How times have changed :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Superfluous Man
Good video about the fall of Rome. And as you might have guessed, it did not fall because of unarmed migrants crossed their borders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHW3Y_p2llo
Right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptUSA
Anyone that gives the excuse of 'Natural Incentives' as a Right to illegally enter the US are rapists and child molesters.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptUSA
That one fell flat :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratovarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP8sofAN4xc
What I would propose (and I suspect others here whose support of letting people come to America in pursuit of those natural incentives you find so offensive) is not to let those who come here for those things do so illegally, but to let them do it legally by changing the law so that they can. Then it wouldn't be illegal immigration any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratovarious
I suspect, though, that you would then find that, even if it's not illegal immigration, you would still oppose it, and you would want those laws restricting it back. Because it isn't only illegal immigration that you oppose.
Open Borers, ha ha ahaaa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superfluous Man
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Originally Posted by Stratovarious
Ok, I get it now. You're just trolling a la TheTexan. Man, you really had me going there for a while. Bravo!
Apparently not.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by juleswin