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THE PLAN
The doubling of troops in the east and additional unconstitutional invasions performed under the "peace candidate" leaves me skeptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by cindy25
Speaking of which, where the fuck did all the "Peace" hipsters go to once Bush left? They scattered like fucking cockroaches under a light.
"Speaking of which, where the fuck did all the "Peace" hipsters go to once Bush left? They scattered like fucking cockroaches under a light."
Only about 10% of Americans realize we are a Military Industrial Controlled Empire & there is not much difference between R's & D's as far as that is concerned. (Latest Example 98-0 Senate vote for $630 Billion Defense Budget)
I guess less than 1% of Americans know that R's & D's factions have been arming Al-Queda from Afghanistan war w/ Soviets, to Kosovo war, to 911, to Libya & now Syria.
U.A.E. news reporting/opinions: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...-provoke-syria
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Russia: Turkey's NATO missile defence plan will 'provoke' Syria
Thomas Seibert
Dec 4, 2012
ISTANBUL // Russia criticised Turkey yesterday for requesting Nato missile defence systems to be deployed along the border with Syria, calling it an "additional provocation".
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■ Turks will try to change Russia's Syria stance- http://www.thenational.ae/staticfile...al/comment.gif Russia cannot wash its hands of Syrian bloo
Turkey wants the Patriot missiles to protect its 900-kilometre border with Syria but Russia opposes such a move.
Shortly before the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and the Turkish premier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, held talks about the crisis in Syria, Turkey scrambled fighter jets to its southern frontier after Syrian warplanes bombed rebel positions near the border.
The countries failed to overcome differences over Syria but they did vow to work on "new ideas" to solve the Syrian crisis.
While Russia understands Turkey's concerns about possible violence at the border, bringing in a missile system was not the right way to react, Mr Putin said.
"It is wrong to create a situation for additional provocations," the Russian leader said. "Syria is not in a position to launch an attack," he added.
Mr Erdogan, who called Mr Putin a "dear friend", said both Turkey and Russia wanted the bloodshed in Syria to end. He said the countries' foreign ministers would intensify their efforts to find a solution.
Mr Erdogan and Mr Putin met one day before an expected decision by Nato to send Patriot missile defence batteries to the border between Turkey and Syria.
"New ideas have come to the table during our talks, and we will work on those together," Mr Putin said without giving details.
"But there are differences in the method of how to get there."
He insisted that Moscow's support for Damascus should not be confused with support for the Bashar Al Assad regime.
"We are not protecting the Syrian government, we are not its advocate," he said.
Despite Turkish hopes for a softening of the Russian position on Syria, high-level discussions in Istanbul produced no such change, though Mr Putin stressed that the two countries' positions on Syria were similar in principle.
After more than three hours of talks with Mr Erdogan Mr Putin said that they could not agree how to end the conflict in Syria that has killed more than 40,000 people since an uprising against Mr Al Assad began in March last year.
Shortly before Mr Putin's arrival in Istanbul yesterday, tensions flared at the Turkish border following a Syrian air raid close to the frontier and a subsequent sortie of Turkish F-16 fighter planes. One person was reported dead and 20 injured.
A Turkish diplomat said that Turkey sent fighter jets to the border area in response to Syrian jets bombing rebel positions close to the Turkish border town of Ceylanpinar.
The Syrian jets attacked rebel positions in Ras Al Ayn, a Syrian town on the border, with Ceylanpinar on the other side of the fence.
Turkey's state television reported that Turkish ambulances crossed into Syria to pick up wounded after the raid.
A high-ranking general of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA), Malik Kurdi, warned Turkey yesterday that missile attacks from Syria were possible. "The regime has its back to the wall," the general, the deputy commander of the FSA, told the Turkish news channel NTV. "There could be an attack at any time."
At a meeting in Brussels today, NATO is expected to formally accept a Turkish request for Patriot batteries that could be used to fend of missile attacks from Syria. The three batteries, two from Germany and one from the Netherlands, could be deployed in the coming weeks.
A Turkish official confirmed that there had been little movement in the Russian position. "They repeated what they have been saying," the official said.
But he added that he did not think that bilateral ties would be damaged because of the differences. Dmitry Peskov, Mr Putin's spokesman, agreed. "Our differences of opinion do not influence the essence of our bilateral relations," he said.
In a further sign that both countries are determined to look beyond the Syrian crisis, 11 agreements were signed during Mr Putin's visit, mainly on intensifying economic and cultural relations.
Both Mr Putin and Mr Erdogan said their countries aimed to increase bilateral trade from about US$35 billion (Dh128.5bn) at the moment to $100bn in the forth coming years.
What a crock. As if Syria's Assad, mired down in a civil war, would start launching chemical warheads at Turkey.
"fuck, my empire is crumbling from within, I guess the best thing to do now is bomb Turkey!"
The question is where's the money truly coming from? Stolen Libyan, Egyptian, or Iraqi wealth? US DHS again like Libya?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-syrian-rebels
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France funding Syrian rebels in new push to oust Assad
Money delivered by French government proxies across Turkish border has been used to buy weapons and ammunition
- Martin Chulov in Ankara
- guardian.co.uk, Friday 7 December 2012 14.58 EST
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Syrian rebel fighters in Aleppo.
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France has emerged as the most prominent backer of Syria's armed opposition and is now directly funding rebel groups around Aleppo as part of a new push to oust the embattled Assad regime.
Large sums of cash have been delivered by French government proxies across the Turkish border to rebel commanders in the past month, diplomatic sources have confirmed. The money has been used to buy weapons inside Syria and to fund armed operations against loyalist forces.
The French moves have stopped short of direct supply of weapons – a bridge that no western state has yet been willing to cross in Syria. But, according to western and Turkish officials as well as rebel leaders, the influx of money has made a difference in recent weeks as momentum on the battlefields of the north steadily shifts towards the opposition.
Some of the French cash has reached Islamist groups who were desperately short of ammunition and who had increasingly turned for help towards al-Qaida aligned jihadist groups in and around Aleppo.
One such group, Liwa al-Tawhid, an 8,000-strong militia that fights under the Free Syria Army banner, said it had been able to buy ammunition for the first time since late in the summer, a development that would help it resume military operations without the support of implacable jihadi organisations, such as Jabhat al-Nusra, which is now playing a lead role in northern Syria.
The French newspaper le Figaro reported this week that French military advisers had recently met with rebel groups inside Syria, in an area between Lebanon and Damascus, in further evidence of efforts by Paris to step up pressure on president Assad.
France has suggested that rebels should be given "defensive weapons" to use against the regime and was the first country to recognize a recalibrated political body as the legitimate voice of he Syrian people.
France has given a steady flow of humanitarian aid in recent months, including funds to rebel-held parts of Syria so that these "liberated zones" could begin to restore infrastructure and services for civilians. In September, the French defence minister stressed France was not providing weapons.
Foreign Secretary William Hague has added impetus to the new push to arm the opposition, again suggesting Britain would support moves to lift an arms embargo on the rebels.
A flurry of diplomatic moves this week, after months of political torpor, appear to have revitalised opposition efforts throughout Syria. The frantic diplomacy has been driven by fears that Syrian officials might use their stocks of chemical weapons as a last resort on battlefields that are no longer under their control.
A rebel siege of Damascus has now entered its second week. And although loyalist army divisions appear at no immediate risk of losing the capital, military units elsewhere in the country have lost influence over large swathes of land and are under increasing pressure over supply lines.
Rebels have been under pressure from the US, Britain, France and Turkey to fight under a joint command and control structure rather than as an assortment of militias, which often work at cross purposes.
At a meeting in Istanbul on Friday, commanders of the Free Syria Army – more of a brand than a fighting force throughout the civil war – agreed to establish a 30-member unified leadership.
After 21 months of crumbling state control in Syria, western diplomats in Ankara and elsewhere in the Arab world appear to be shifting their thinking from trying to manage the consequences to planning the future course.
"Assad won't be here next December," a senior Turkish official predicted. "Even the Russians have moderated on this. When we used to talk to them about Assad going, it was point-blank refusal. Now they are looking for common ground and wanting to exchange ideas."
The official said the US has also recently stepped up its efforts to oust Assad, but was not yet talking about arming the opposition and was refusing to deal with Islamist groups, such as Liwa al-Tawhid.
"What has happened with Jabhat al-Nusra (gaining influence), I would say is a product of (US) attitudes," he said. "They have a template by which they operate. And if a group fits perfectly into that, well that's fine. And if they don't it's a problem for them.
"Some of these groups have been forced to pretend that they are jihadists in order to get what they want."
US officials this week said that Turkey, for its part, was not prepared to directly lead the international response to Syria and was expecting Washington to fill that void.
President Barack Obama's warning during the week to Assad not to use chemical weapons was seen as his most strident stance yet, but it signalled no shift from an official wariness of the opposition, which had become more pronounced as jihadist groups gained prominence around Aleppo from late in the summer.
Turkey also remains wary of a potential threat from chemical weapons. However, officials said they were not convinced that even cornered regime leaders would use them.
Ankara will soon to take delivery of several patriot missile batteries, along with 400 German troops who will operate them along the southern border with Syria.
Officials say the increased NATO presence in Turkey makes it likely that Turkish air space and military bases would be used in the event of a decision being made by the US to seize Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles.
"That would have to be dealt with through existing mechanisms of NATO," the official said. "There is now a framework in place."
i hope i am wrong, but I wont be surprised if there was an alleged report of a chemical attack on the "rebels" killing innocent people, which will be blamed on the Syrian Govt. Later those reports about the source of the attack may or may not be proven true but the US would already have jumped into the fray.
makes perfect strategic sense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That is, if Assad can count on Turkey to attack the Syrian rebels. It is risky but wtf if your losing a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by UWDude
No it doesn't make perfect sense if you understood the politics between Syria and Turkey. Turkey would not help the people who launched chemical weapons at them, and Turkey is already leaning towards, (and probably arming) the rebels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere
Good write-up on infowars, with source links, about how this is pretty much Iraq propaganda redux.
http://www.infowars.com/syria-govern...mical-weapons/