For those of us on "The Right" the time has come for clear thinking.

This is hard, coming from a long time 9/11 "Truther", but the time has come for those of us on the right to once and for all, clear our minds of the fog of conspiracies, shadowy "X" men working in the dark against us and of evil conspirers working day and night to subvert us.

I maintain that the time has come now, for a number of reasons:

1 - The Machiavellian marauders are no longer working in the shadows, they are out in the open, with no pretense whatsoever anymore.

2 - We on the "right" fall prey too easily for grifters, scammers and outright bullshit artists selling "positive" conspiracy theories as truth. It's easy to do, when every single contemporary institution is opposed to you. By positive conspiracy theory I mean some of the outright goofy ideas that have been floated around over the past few years, that shadowy forces are now working in our favor. No Virginia...among a million other things, there is no Kracken, there is no CIA countercoup, there no secret Q plan, there were no watermarked ballots, there is no 44D chess being played and God himself is not going to come down and consume our enemies with bolts of fire out his arse.

3 - If we are to survive as a people and a philosophy, we had better get smart and tough at the same time and realize that no one will save us except us.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Hold on. Are you saying there is no secret billionaire? :eek:

Major parts of what youre saying is the ability to recognize the bullshit for what it is.

I feel like a lot of the people that have fallen to the Radicalization of so many actual Militant Groups is that they have not been able to recognize that bullshit, and fell for it. They are victims only until they start causing harm to others with physical violence. But, is the ability to recognize bullshit something that is taught in Public Schools? Hell no. How many PARENTS do you know that teach their kids? Quite a few. And of those that have the skill, do they have the ability? Depends. I think a lot of the Recognize Bullshit ability comes from Males. We have been sexually divided for a while. The number of married people has dropped dramatically. And the Father has been REMOVED from the house, and one of the many consequences is that they are not able to teach their Sons and Daughters their skill of Recognizing Bullshit. Now not being racist, but look at how many Black Men / African American Men / <Insert racially appropriate word here> have been raised with out Father Figures, because their "Daddys" are in jail for drugs or gang membership or some other thing they were pretty much pushed into? Since they were not taught the ability to Recognize Bullshit, they fell for the empty promises of the Leftist, and were more easily Radicalized than those who had Families. Explains a LOT of the attack on Family.

This is something we CAN overcome. It is a fairly simple skill that we can teach each other. I believe this addresses #3 and #2 because youre right. We do fall for bullshit too easily.

So how do YOU recognize Bullshit? Once you recognize it, what else can you do about it?

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Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty

Hold on. Are you saying there is no secret billionaire? :eek:

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by DamianTV

So how do YOU recognize Bullshit? Once you recognize it, what else can you do about it?

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I now dismiss, out of hand, anybody who rejects force and violence as means to defend or further our goals with no qualifications.

Anybody in these current times, who will not even accept the notion as a last resort, is full of shit, AFAIC.

Walling off the cities is the only logical conclusion.

Whether it's literally or figuratively bringing them to heel is the only way civilization as I know it can continue.

More "wars", more "social justice" more, more more!

And it's all coming from the cities........

Was the Election Stolen or is that a radical Conspiracy Theory?

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Originally Posted by Anti Federalist

Exactly.

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"Fool me once, shame on......shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again."

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Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged

Was the Election Stolen or is that a radical Conspiracy Theory?

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Honestly...no...I don't think so.

There were shenanigans, but no more than usual, I think.

By focusing on fraud, the more important point is missed: that half the voting base is comfortable voting for Marxists.

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Originally Posted by Anti Federalist

I now dismiss, out of hand, anybody who rejects force and violence as means to defend or further our goals with no qualifications.

Anybody in these current times, who will not even accept the notion as a last resort, is full of $#@!, AFAIC.

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I can't help but think that's pointed at my proclamation in the other thread the other day. Violence is a part of nature, and is necessary, but at appropriate times. You cannot go into all this with the want and intention to do others harm just because of what you believe they might believe or might do. If someone directly threatens you or someone else's life in your presence, absolutely do whatever necessary to stop it. But violence must never EVER be pre-emptive. This whole site, the man this site was created to help, staked his claim on no pre-emptive war, no pre-emptive violence.

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Originally Posted by Anti Federalist

Honestly...no...I don't think so.

There were shenanigans, but no more than usual, I think.

By focusing on fraud, the more important point is missed: that half the voting base is comfortable voting for Marxists.

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I think the Biden Victory was razor thin when considering the number of votes cast. I also think there were legitimate issues that could have been enough to overturn the election. I also think that it was brushed off as nonsense. It is not a conspiracy theory to see that you cannot post a youtube about Election Fraud. It is pretty crazy when our POTUS gets shut down.

Clear thinking, critical thinking should be ongoing but it's always a good time to take time to reflect. Left/Right meanings seem confusing now that for past 4 years a NYC showbiz industry groomed progressive liberal socialist RINO was branded as "Right" by many.

The biggest damage that the "Right" movement has experienced was due to believing in bogus "Iraq has WMDs" conspiracy theory, it is hard to believe so many people stood with fakenews Bush-Cheney neocons for almost a decade. By the time Barack Hussein Obama came to White House, it was sort of too late and progression of Left's wins and signs suggest impact of that blundering conpiracy theory will last for forseeable centuries.
Gullible "Right" for a decade standing with another holllywood showbiz trained politician Reagan (Founding Father of ISIS 1.0) was equally costly blunder if not bigger.

I've been (mostly) subscribing to this philosophy since 2012 when I formally joined the local GOP committee and started working in politics. The conspirators are out there, but does it matter who they are? We can argue it's the Jews or the Vatican or lizards but where does that get us? Candidates don't want volunteers talking about that stuff when door knocking. The Federal Reserve is a real thing we can point to regardless of who's behind it. So although I look into the various powers-that-be theories, that doesn't drive my action. The real threats to me are my neighbors in the "see something say something where's your mask?" world, local "officials" who implement perceived law from on high, and potentially state or federal actors. I've been reaching out to new people to form self-preservation networks since much of my old libertarian/conservative network is all about hiding their faces these days.

But I think it's healthy to keep those conspiracies in mind. It doesn't help to get complacent and think a particular action is isolated when it could be part of a coordinated effort towards some kind of goal.

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Originally Posted by Anti Federalist

This is hard, coming from a long time 9/11 "Truther", but the time has come for those of us on the right to once and for all, clear our minds of the fog of conspiracies, shadowy "X" men working in the dark against us and of evil conspirers working day and night to subvert us.

I maintain that the time has come now, for a number of reasons:

1 - The Machiavellian marauders are no longer working in the shadows, they are out in the open, with no pretense whatsoever anymore.

2 - We on the "right" fall prey too easily for grifters, scammers and outright bull$#@! artists selling "positive" conspiracy theories as truth. It's easy to do, when every single contemporary institution is opposed to you. By positive conspiracy theory I mean some of the outright goofy ideas that have been floated around over the past few years, that shadowy forces are now working in our favor. No Virginia...among a million other things, there is no Kracken, there is no CIA countercoup, there no secret Q plan, there were no watermarked ballots, there is no 44D chess being played and God himself is not going to come down and consume our enemies with bolts of fire out his arse.

3 - If we are to survive as a people and a philosophy, we had better get smart and tough at the same and realize that no one will save us except us.

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I hear ya. I was wondering where you were going with that at first. :p There is some "pretense" though the pretense makes no sense. I listened the other day to CBS news "debunking" Q-Anon by saying there is no pedophile conspiracy in high levels of government. Hello? Dear memory hole? Jeffery Epstein was a real pedophile with a real island with real underage sex slaves on it visited by real powerful people. All of that is just reported in the open. But then Q-Anon went crazy train with trying to convince everyone that Jeffery Epstein's pal, Donald Trump, who bought the Miss Teen USA pageant and then bragged about being able to walk in on the minor girls getting dressed, was somehow the "savior" of sex slaves. Ummmm...that made no freaking sense!

I still listen to conspiracy theorists like James Corbett who don't carry Trump water. I did hold out faint hope that Trump would pardon Assange and Snowden. But.....nope. Kwame Kilpatrick, corrupt liberal disgraced former mayor of Detroit, got a pardon though.

So....nobody is going to save us. Got it. Agorism for the win! We all need to as individuals learn to live as best we can outside of the system and coordinate with others who share that belief system.

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Originally Posted by tod evans

Walling off the cities is the only logical conclusion.

Whether it's literally or figuratively bringing them to heel is the only way civilization as I know it can continue.

More "wars", more "social justice" more, more more!

And it's all coming from the cities........

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Don't worry, that's part of the Agenda 2030 plan. Controlled movement via "papers please" and limited range electric cars. As always, be careful what you wish for...

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I can't help but think that's pointed at my proclamation in the other thread the other day. Violence is a part of nature, and is necessary, but at appropriate times. You cannot go into all this with the want and intention to do others harm just because of what you believe they might believe or might do. If someone directly threatens you or someone else's life in your presence, absolutely do whatever necessary to stop it. But violence must never EVER be pre-emptive. This whole site, the man this site was created to help, staked his claim on no pre-emptive war, no pre-emptive violence.

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Not at you specifically, I am talking more of talking heads, pundits, politicians and the like. People that like to grift "our" people.

I'll tell you who I'm specifically thinking of: Alex Jones and people like him.

I've listened to and donated to and defended Jones for decades. For decades he has been couching his message in violent revolutionary rhetoric. This is fine by me, as I agree, there is a place for the violent revolution. But the very second, the instant there might have been an "insurrection", he goes into overdrive to distance himself from it, to cry peace peace and throw people under the bus, for only one reason: to maintain the status quo that he has built a comfortable living from, selling supplements, survival goodies and dick pills. He furthers the footprint of outright hustlers and insane people like Steve Pzkichenik (sp?) while firing and then publicly attacking the only credible "journalist" he had at his show, David Knight.

I direct this at people like Rush Limbaugh who has done the same thing for over thirty years, and when the idea of secession pops up on his show, which is the only way this can be solved peacefully, rather than open a discussion about it, clamps down and doubles down on peace and "work within the system".

For individuals like yourself, I'm not really directing this at you, especially those of deep faith or Amish and Quakers and so on.

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If someone directly threatens you or someone else's life in your presence, absolutely do whatever necessary to stop it.

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In self defense law, to ascertain that someone is a deadly threat they must display three things:

1 - Intent

2 - Means

3 - Imminence

Without being flowery, I submit to a candid world that this government and it's agents have done/are doing/are displaying all three and more, against me and my fellow citizens.

We have, and have long been able and had the justification, to defend ourselves with whatever force is needed to protect ourselves.

We simply lack the will to do so.

And one main reason why, is because of the obfuscation, FUD and propaganda thrown up by the people I just mentioned, and many more like them.

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Don't worry, that's part of the Agenda 2030 plan. Controlled movement via "papers please" and limited range electric cars. As always, be careful what you wish for...

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Big centralized government elected by city dwellers curtailing the behavior and movement of city dwellers is not at all "what I'm wishing for", that's in the pike now.

My desire is to see the rural counties stop supporting the urban ones. It'd be a matter of weeks before the SHTF and less than 90 days until the urban hoards and their government could be brought to heel.

Blood would be shed but it's going to be shed anyway.

The question is who holds power when the dust settles.

So long as the country folk (like me) sit and watch big gov deal with the city troubles nothing will change and the city troubles will become bigger and do more damage to the nation. At some point the millions who don't ascribe to city life or city thinking are going to have to choose.

Right now the problems are geographical but the wealthy problem children are scuttling out of the cities they've ruined.....

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Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged

I think the Biden Victory was razor thin when considering the number of votes cast. I also think there were legitimate issues that could have been enough to overturn the election. I also think that it was brushed off as nonsense. It is not a conspiracy theory to see that you cannot post a youtube about Election Fraud. It is pretty crazy when our POTUS gets shut down.

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The problem was that the TV show was about "fraud" in the election. When it should have been about all the rules changing without a proper debate. They just did it. Had everyone covering their faces. Allowed the voting to go on for months. Circulated crazy amounts of ballots through the mail system for months. Social media handing out "likes" and badges to idiots for voting. Can all the lead to fraud? Yes. But that's not what makes the process illegitimate.

But I'm glad all that false hope was finally crushed. Many of us never subscribed to the con to begin with and we were pulling our hair out trying to wake up others. Maybe after a soul-crushing blow like this, people will stop putting their faith in a broken system to fix itself.

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Big centralized government elected by city dwellers curtailing the behavior and movement of city dwellers is not at all "what I'm wishing for", that's in the pike now.

My desire is to see the rural counties stop supporting the urban ones. It'd be a matter of weeks before the SHTF and less than 90 days until the urban hoards and their government could be brought to heel.

Blood would be shed but it's going to be shed anyway.

The question is who holds power when the dust settles.

So long as the country folk (like me) sit and watch big gov deal with the city troubles nothing will change and the city troubles will become bigger and do more damage to the nation. At some point the millions who don't ascribe to city life or city thinking are going to have to choose.

Right now the problems are geographical but the wealthy problem children are scuttling out of the cities they've ruined.....

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The Hunger Games films ring a bell?

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I now dismiss, out of hand, anybody who rejects force and violence as means to defend or further our goals with no qualifications.

Anybody in these current times, who will not even accept the notion as a last resort, is full of $#@!, AFAIC.

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I do the same thing. I also have limited tolerance for the people that make self-defense such a limited concept that it requires an overtly direct threat before they will do anything about it. I have been referring to those individuals as Eunuch Libertarians due to their complete inability to pose effective resistance to Machiavellians.

Far too many people are entirely unfamiliar with Machiavellians, and that is a much larger threat to liberty due to it working around the limitations of freedom's adherents before striking.

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I do the same thing. I also have limited tolerance for the people that make self-defense such a limited concept that it requires an overtly direct threat before they will do anything about it. I have been referring to those individuals as Eunuch Libertarians due to their complete inability to pose effective resistance to Machiavellians.

Far too many people are entirely unfamiliar with Machiavellians, and that is a much larger threat to liberty due to it working around the limitations of freedom's adherents before striking.

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Modern society in this country is far beyond guns-n-ammo type of warfare. It's now almost exclusively an information war. Psyop after psyop after psyop after psyop. Perhaps AF is correct that reverting to guns-n-ammo warfare is the last resort, his words not mine, has some merit but not all options have been exhausted. And further, since the information war/psyop is the weapon of choice these days, guns-n-ammo actions only serve to further their goals. Look at what the information psyop arm (media) was able to spin the Capitol nothingburger into. See my sig. Why do you think that they're pushing the masks and distancing and closures of social establishments and curfews? To limit information exchange. Because it's an information war.

eta: Why the overt censorship by social media? Why the scads of articles targeted to average folks devoted to "How To Handle 'Conspiracy Theorists' In Your Family"? Because it's an information war. And, so far at least, exchange of information is not illegal, is generally not an act of war and does not violate any laws in place. Information exchange does, however, throw major obstacles to their goals. Offing some random Congresspeople doesn't change anything, offing stupid neighbors doesn't change anything. They are easily replaceable martyrs and objects to be used to further the information war. The real controllers are hidden and sit behind 10ft walls and layers of armed security. Information is the best weapon and you best believe they are using it to its maximum potential.

eta: and literally as I was writing that post, here comes Fauci back onto the teevee again to push his psyop. Information war is the warfare of the modern age.

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The Hunger Games films ring a bell?

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I haven't watched them.

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I do the same thing. I also have limited tolerance for the people that make self-defense such a limited concept that it requires an overtly direct threat before they will do anything about it. I have been referring to those individuals as Eunuch Libertarians due to their complete inability to pose effective resistance to Machiavellians.

Far too many people are entirely unfamiliar with Machiavellians, and that is a much larger threat to liberty due to it working around the limitations of freedom's adherents before striking.

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Are you the new SS around here in these new times then? You've come on strong with this rhetoric in the last few days. I hope most do not follow your lead into anger and hate. There are a plethora of ways humanity navigates these waters from a stance of reason and levelheadedness, but there are none that support the divisive system we have today and the violence it's historically brought and will assuredly bring soon.

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I now dismiss, out of hand, anybody who rejects force and violence as means to defend or further our goals with no qualifications.

Anybody in these current times, who will not even accept the notion as a last resort, is full of shit, AFAIC.

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Can't +rep this enough. Peace (and freedom) is only possible when the threat of defensive violence is real, and believed to be real.

Right now I don't think they believe us.

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Are you the new SS around here in these new times then? You've come on strong with this rhetoric in the last few days. I hope most do not follow your lead into anger and hate. There are a plethora of ways humanity navigates these waters from a stance of reason and levelheadedness, but there are none that support the divisive system we have today and the violence it's historically brought and will assuredly bring soon.

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My rhetoric has been unchanged from when I began posting again. Your outstanding personal weakness is what leads you to believe it has anything to do with anger or hate. In fact, it is completely dispassionate. If you can figure out why that is, then you may be able to overcome your myopia. If you need a hint, then this will suffice: if you understand that something functions a certain way, then getting emotional about it is a waste of energy.

Machiavellians are also logical, levelheaded men. Those traits are very useful for those men desiring to subjugate other men. You make the mistake of thinking it has something to do with a divisive system. No, divisiveness is endemic to the species so long as individuality and hierarchies exist. Similarly, violence is a reflection of the nature of the species and nothing more. Those that fail to come to terms with that reality are those that will be ruthlessly exploited by those that have.

It's a shame we don't have any secret billionaires.

With enough money we could buy a piece of land from an existing country. Part of the deal is they would have to recognize us as a country.

Maybe after the US collapses and there are more failed countries looking to financially recover, this will be possible.

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Are you the new SS around here in these new times then? You've come on strong with this rhetoric in the last few days. I hope most do not follow your lead into anger and hate. There are a plethora of ways humanity navigates these waters from a stance of reason and levelheadedness, but there are none that support the divisive system we have today and the violence it's historically brought and will assuredly bring soon.

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You can blame Abraham Lincoln for the current situation. He created this predicament, where violence is likely the only outcome.

His actions created the popular opinion that secession is unlawful, immoral, and punishable by violent retribution. An opinion that is widely shared even today.

Most politicians are afraid of even uttering the word, for it is political suicide to bring up the subject.

(And FYI as a brief history lesson for anyone unfamiliar with the subject; The North did not invade the South to free the slaves. The North's primary reason to invade the South was to keep the South in the union. Yet their aggression is celebrated, and anyone who suggests the idea of secession is automatically labelled racist.)

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You can blame Abraham Lincoln for the current situation. He created this predicament, where violence is likely the only outcome.

His actions created the popular opinion that secession is unlawful, immoral, and punishable by violent retribution. An opinion that is widely shared even today.

Most politicians are afraid of even uttering the word, for it is political suicide to bring up the subject.

(And FYI as a brief history lesson for anyone unfamiliar with the subject; The North did not invade the South to free the slaves. The North's primary reason to invade the South was to keep the South in the union. Yet their aggression is celebrated, and anyone who suggests the idea of secession is automatically labelled racist.)

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To keep the South under control and to be assimilated and "recolonized" under the planned DC federal corporation, which was created in the aftermath. All land and other legal records (including copies of the Constitution with the original 13th Amendment) were burned and the South taken over by the pirates as war spoils.