Common anti-palestinian arguments
Hey guys. Help me counter these anti-palestinian arguments please!
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Arabs target Israeli civilians with bombs in highly populated areas while Israelis organise strategic hits at terrorists hotspots. Occasionally civilians are caught up in the fallout but at least Israelis do not deliberately target innocent civilians, unlike the Palestinians.
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Do you even know what goes on in Israel? There are rockets being fired on Israel by Hamas and other such terrorist organisations almost everyday. Secondly Israel also has to suicide bombers to contend with in the bigger cities. Suicide bombers alone have killed thousands of innocent Israelis. Propaganda means you don't see the attacks on Israels cities by more than just stones. It is time to wake up.
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Jews have never killed innocents , at least not like the Muslims and Europeans have
but based on all the propaganda calling Jews heartless and saying they have killed innocents, it makes me wish they do
A part of me wants to see the "Samson Option" as a last fuck you to the world
even if I die I will die happy knowing all the enemies of the Jews are killed
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Jews and Arabs are both Semites and both native to the land. Why can't they just live together and share? If the Jews feel as if they were promised the land, then fine. Then live on that land and stop causing trouble to the people that lived there before you did. LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND UNITY. KEEP ON SEEKING PEACE AND PURSUE IT. Hating, violence, and retaliation has never solved anything!
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Palestinians can't go anywhere in the Arab world...none want them.
For example, when they lived under Jordanian rule, in the respective region that used to belong to Jordan, they were ostracized by the Jordanians because they would conduct terrorist actions there as well. Which is why Jordan never requested those lands (and its inhabitants) back to make peace with Israel. They were HAPPY we took them.
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jews killed millions?!? where and when exactly?! enlighten me please.
and lets see, 850 nobel prizes were awarded between 1901 and 2011, JEWS won about 200! muslims won 7 (ROLF!!!) when jews are 0.002% of human population and muslims are 20%, you are a JOKE!!!! albert einstein, sigmund freud, John von Neumann, alan turing, Neils Bohr. and the list goes on and on!
your computer was invented by jews you stupid chimp!
just google "100 Scientists Who Shaped World History"
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the state of palestine never existed, the palestinians never have been sovereign and the land you call west-bank was taken from Jordan, not from the state of palestine... but that is not the point here.
the point is that this state of palestine you so wish to establish has no intention living peacefully next to its neighbor.. in 2000, the palestinians were offered nearly 100% of what they asked for, but instead of agreeing or even giving a counteroffer, they chose violence (again).
And to clarify, the Palestinians are trapped, aren't they? They cannot join Israel because of a ban on their checkpoints of some sort, and they can't simply gain a citizenship to another country?
Thanks!
Response to "Common anti-palestinian arguments"
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but I recently found this thread while doing some research on Palestine. (Am also PM'ing the OP since it's been so long). I'm fairly neutral on the Israel-Palestine issue but here are my thoughts:
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
Jews have never killed innocents , at least not like the Muslims and Europeans have
but based on all the propaganda calling Jews heartless and saying they have killed innocents, it makes me wish they do
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
jews killed millions?!? where and when exactly?! enlighten me please.
Well, in the 6th century AD there was a Jewish king of Yemen (Dhu Nuwas) who massacred thousands of Christians (upper estimates put it around 20,000 - 22,000, which was a lot of people in the 6th century). This shocked the Byzantines and Ethiopians and led to an Ethiopian military response.
Also, the Jews in the Bible certainly did questionable things (by modern standards). Admittedly, life was very vicious in ancient times and wars were extremely brutal back then. As an example, take a look at Simeon and Levi's actions in response to the rape of Dinah in the book of Genesis. Yes, raping Dinah was bad and the perpetrator should have been punished. But viciously killing *all* of the males in the city of Shechem, and then plundering the city and taking the women and children - all for the actions of one man? Talk about collective punishment!
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
the state of palestine never existed, the palestinians never have been sovereign and the land you call west-bank was taken from Jordan, not from the state of palestine... but that is not the point here.
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
If anyone should take responsibility for Israel, it is the British. Because they were the ones who created Israel, and it should be their responsibility to solve this mess! Why is it the rest of the world's responsibility to pay for their military state and to die for their land!? We have our own countries to live for!
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Pauls' Revere
The British mandate:
The Palastinians were promised the land by the British if they rose up and fought the Turks of The Ottoman Empire, which they did.
The Balfour Declaration:
The British De Facto heads of states acting on behalf of The Crown also declared the land a Jewish homeland.
Things are complicated because the concept of sovereign states is a relatively modern idea (and some might argue that it is already obsolete).
The Brits (and other powers) certainly had their own designs for the region, as can be seen from the failed Treaty of Sevres and the preceding secret Tripartite Agreement. But, as if often the case, things didn't go quite the way they had planned. There had also been the intention of creating Kurdistan for the Kurds but that never materialized. So I'm not sure how valid you can rely on British promises from 1915.
Also a lot of the problems in the region were simply the result of the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire (not really the British's "fault"). You have similar problems whenever other empires dissolve (Austrian-Hungarian, Holy Roman Empire, Rome). The Balkans were also a mess after World War I and II.
The Brits were in this position because it was the Ottomans who had previously conquered the Palestine region. And before then it was in the hands of the Mongols, Arabs, Byzantines (Eastern Rome), and Persians. Before then (Western) Rome. Go back farther and you'll have Phoenicians and Canaanites. It's gonna be a mess no matter what way you look at it.
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Originally Posted by
Lishy
Islam is the greatest killer of all time, worse than Christianity, fascism or communism. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadist conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The Jews similarly annihilated.
Yes, Islam did do many terrible things during this time against Christians, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Jews.
However, a lot of the fault also lies with the Christians who brought much of the trouble on themselves. Western Europe repeatedly failed to help the Byzantine Empire. Oftentimes, Crusaders who took over Muslim-controlled cities would massacre the inhabitants, thinking they were Muslim (when they were actually Byzantine Christians). The Fourth Crusade had the audacity to sack Constantinople, one of the greatest cities of the time. The Byzantine Empire never really recovered after that. Western Europe also failed to help Constantinople when it was finally besieged by the Ottomans (partly due to Venetian greed and rivalry).
Even with the Christians in the Middle East, many of them initially welcomed the Muslim conquerors, seeing them as better than the "heretical" Eastern Orthodox Byzantines (those in the region were largely Oriental Orthodox). Only too late did they realize that things were worse under these new rulers.
A lot of the destruction of Christianity was done to itself. Catholicism destroyed Constantinople (during the aforementioned Fourth Crusade). You had the European wars of religion following the Protestant Reformation (with the notable Thirty Years War). Christianity also destroyed much of its own history through iconoclasm (there were two major Byzantine iconoclasms and also the Reformation iconoclasm).
You can also think of some interesting parallels between Sunni/Shiite wars, conflicts with Sufism, and several cases of iconoclasm - both within Islam (such as the recent destruction of Sufi shrines in Timbuktu) and to other religions (the Taliban's destruction of the giant Buddhas).
And note that while Islam was quite brutal to Zoroastrianism by destroying many of its sacred sites and persecuting its worshipers, also note that Christianity wasn't that nice to Zoroastrianism either. Byzantine emperor Heraclius destroyed the great fire temple of Taxte Soleymān in the 7th century (though that was partly provoked by Persia's capture of Jerusalem and the massacre and enslavement of many of its inhabitants).
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Getting back to the Israel-Palestine issue.
The motivations of many Middle Eastern countries is suspect since many (like Jordan and Egypt) originally wanted to annex Palestine itself (rather than allow it to be an independent state). It's also interesting that while Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria are so quick to focus on the plight of the Palestinians, they conveniently neglect the situation of the Kurds and wouldn't be quite so eager to support the creation of Kurdistan. Of course this sort of hypocrisy exists in most nations (including Western, industrialized ones). I *really* wished that, in response to the recent U.N. referendum on recognizing Palestine, either the U.S. or Israel had introduced a similar bill to recognize Kurdistan (probably would have to be Israel, since the U.S. wouldn't want to risk angering Turkey).
While romantics might like to view the world through rose-colored lens consisting of ideal rules of law, I'm more resigned that the world works through political realism, realpolitik, and ultimately the right of conquest (or who has the power to hold the land).
So the fate of Israel *and* Palestine rests on who has the power to control it (and right now it just happens to be Israel).
What happens next depends on who has the power and if anyone can effectively challenge it. (Just like China with Tibet and Taiwan, Russia and Georgia with South Ossetia, U.K. and Argentina with the Falkland Islands, and Serbia and Kosovo in the Balkans).
