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I just had a Mitt Romney supporter tell me that Ron Paul is anti-Israel.
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Bump.
I just had a Mitt Romney supporter tell me that Ron Paul is anti-Israel.
Its odd to me that most think Israel uses the Us as there attack dog,when i see it as the opposite.To me our foreign aid and military support sets up Israel to become beholden to America's intrests. I would rather Israel be able to govern as they see fit and not have the Us constantly try to dictate how they will run there affairs.
I also see America putting them in a bad spot to where we mess around in the middle east to protect our interests in there oil,which then entices the middle east to retaliate against whatever represents American influence and that would be most easily seen as Israel
Thank you for sharing this.
I regard human relationships as fractals ... common denominators whether differences are on an individual or national scale.
Israel vs Palestine :: two drunk college guys getting heated. The more they drink the more their threats come closer to actual violence.
The United States has a choice :: drink up and pick a side. Close the fist and punch whoever you stand against, irregardless of the brawl that would ensue.
--or-- keep the palms open and stand between them "Guys, c'mon. Go drink some beer, have a good time tonight, we'll work out the differences in the morning. You can go fight on the front lawn if you need to, but if anyone pulls a knife or somethin' I'm kickin' BOTH your asses."
More or less ;)
Yeah great friends,USS Liberty,Jonathan pollard and they probably knew 9/11 would happen without telling us.I will take Hamas,Hezbolla and the Muslim Brotherhood any day.Just because the T.V. says they are our best allies doesn't mean it's true.
Your a wonderful Human Being.If you say anything slightly negative about Israel you are a Rabid Anti-Semite according to you.But It's fine for you to spew hatred about people you know nothing about.Less prosperous?maybe because they don't suck on the teet of another country.As far as ignorant,uneducated and backward I find those traits more palatable then belligerent,manipulative and predatory.Yeah,Anti- Semite I know
I dont understand this ridiculous Israel bashing. We should be neutral and unsolved. Attacking Israel and supporting its enemies isnt better than the current situation. We need to be impartial, Israel is a sovereign state they should do as they please.
Fine, let them do it with their own money and let's drop all the foreign aid.Quote:
Israel is a sovereign state they should do as they please.
And whether "Israel" is a state at all is something that we have no business deciding. It's a regional issue that should be resolved by Palestinians and their neighbors. I doubt the vast majority of the world would shed a tear if "Israel" went back to being what it was before 1948.
Zionism correlates almost 100% with a breakdown of logic & reason. I'll demonstrate that here. The opposite of giving aid to Israel is to not give aid to Israel. Discussing Israel's legitimacy is entirely within the scope of libertarian principles. The legitimacy of all governments is suspect within libertarian frameworks.Quote:
Again im not for any aid or support to Israel but simply doing the opposite by attacking it, supporting its enemies, delegitimizing it etc. is not better and is contrary to libertarian foreign policy principles.
You're also implying that somehow not supporting Israel supports its enemies. How can bringing up arguments against Israel's legitimacy support Israel's enemies unless those arguments are correct? Discussing and bringing up arguments supports nothing unless such arguments are correct. Again, irrational Zionists are terrified of free conversations.
Shit, FrankRep...you just can't stand it.... (that +rep was from 2011, any excuse to start another fight)
Hell, at least it's not another Glenn Beck mirage.
Israel should have no place in lobbying our Congress to do their bidding. We should have no place in dictating to Israel how they handle their disputes.
It's really that simple. Oh, and we definitely shouldn't be giving them billions a year or anyone else foreign aid for that matter. What was is, something like $3,000 for every man, woman, and child in Israel? [I can't remember the specific number, but it was around there]
An attack on Israel is not an attack on the United States. An attack on Israel is an attack on Israel. No matter who the hell thinks they are a chosen people.
No, it's been confirmed that 62% here are anti Israel.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Israel/page7
The problem as I see it, is that we have already armed Israel "to the teeth", maybe we should be somewhat responsible about that. It's all fair and well for Israeli supporters to want to "stay out of their business" after giving them the upper hand.
And, I understand why many Christians support Israel. They don't understand that the state of Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with the Israel mentioned in the bible, reguardless of whether any of that in the bible is true or not.
edit: Oh, and Traditional Conservative, I didn't vote in that poll and there are probably others that didn't.
Those polls are such a tiny percent of the people who come here they are completely invalid. Self selected polls are not statistically reliable, by definition.
And 'anti' itself is such a vague word. I have nothing against Israel, but I get pretty irritated when people think we need to treat them like the 51st state -- or the first state. I think we get in a lot of wars supported by the public only because Israel is involved. I am not against them, but I am starting to get a sort of impatient feeling about them, like if the friend you go out with habitually gets you pulled into trouble with them.
Having said that, they are an 'ally' and I recognize that.
I just don't think they should be the cornerstone of our foreign policy they seem to be, to our detriment.
I still haven't seen any evidence that the Iraq War ever had anything to do with Israel. I don't recall the Israeli government ever pushing us to start that war. I certainly don't know what war Israel has pushed us into in the past. They may be trying to push us into a war with Iran, but that hasn't happened yet.
I remember stuff before Iraq, and they didn't send soldiers because it would be polarizing.... but I'm not saying everything we do is about them. I am saying neocons USE the RHETORIC of 'for Isreal' to justify what they do, and it gets results amongst evangelicals.
Very true. Never forget, 'they' hate us for our freedom.
This annoys me to no end. Supposed christians all the more willing to send someone else's kids to die for a country of supposed 'chosen people.' That's the thing that gets me. Chickenhawks have no problem drumming up support for these illegal wars.
As sailingaway said in one of her posts I am getting impatient. I have nothing against the people of Israel, as a collective, but this idea that they should have our unwaivering support is fucking sickening. Even members here seem to feel we are justified or even obligated to defend Israel when they do the kind of shit they do. I'm getting tired of this. And I am not of the politically correct, fear of being branded, republicrats. Soon it will be simply 'f*** Israel' whenever the topic arrives.
Sad day on RPF when people are unaware of the war crimes that that State has committed, the problems they have created, and the shit they constantly stir.
"Keep your friends close, Keep your enemies even closer"
I still fail to understand how one atrocity being committed against a certain group of people is relevant to their government committing atrocities against another group of people. Or rather, how that excuses it, as you defensively seemed to suggest.Quote:
Traditional Conservative- Kind of like the holocaust?