If a Neoconservative and a Democrat both have their necks within a noose and fall at precisely the same time, which one's neck will snap first? I don't know the answer, but there's only one way to find out.
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Actually I'd just take Jennifer Rubin's name off the list, as well as John Hagee. I think both of them represent two kinds of people who don't belong on the list: third-rate journalists who are taken seriously by nobody, intellectually or otherwise, and die-hard Zionists who don't necessarily belong to the school of neoconservatism but rather the school of Israel-worship. There's a lot who fall into the second category, many of whom aren't really neoconservatives (see: Glenn Beck, Ted Cruz).
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Originally Posted by Deborah K
Also, Richard Perle. A neocon among neocons. He must be added, even if he's not quite as extreme lately.
There's also a few Congressmen that are missing. Mike Rogers comes to mind. Pure scum.
And Jamie Fly is one of the key figures behind the scenes in neocon politics today.
This is what led me to believe he was:
He's also argued in the past for increased military strength.Quote:
In 2011, Brzezinski supported the NATO intervention against the forces of Muammar Gaddafi in the Libyan civil war, calling non-intervention "morally dubious" and "politically questionable".[32]
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Using this atmosphere of insecurity, Brzezinski led the United States toward a new arms buildup and the development of the Rapid Deployment Forces – policies that are both more generally associated with Ronald Reagan now.
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Brzezinski, known for his hardline policies on the Soviet Union, initiated in 1979 a campaign supporting mujaheddin in Pakistan and Afghanistan, which was run by Pakistani security services with financial support from the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain's MI6.[36] This policy had the explicit aim of promoting radical Islamist and anti-Communist forces.
I would argue for keeping all of them on the list. If Rubin didn't have enough people reading her column, she would be gone. Israel-worship is responsible for recent neoconservative thinking. Glenn Beck (and to a degree, Sarah Palin too) have a pretty decent following and have both demonstrated an "Israel-first" mentality.
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Is the litmus test whether you are an 'Israel Firster' or not? I always thought neo-conservatism was more about military interventionism than anything else.
While those hosts have definitely pushed neoconservative and establishment foreign policy in the past, they have been allies in other areas. They are more in that category of agreeing with neoconservatives on foreign policy without being true neoconservatives. In an effort to be concise and to build alliances (big tent) rather than create division, I will leave them off the list. They have "come our way" to a much greater extent than anyone is willing to admit.
I would put him more in the same category as Hillary and Obama.
See this post:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5501288
There is often overlap between different groups. This is an intersection that could be made into a rule, but only going one direction. It is safe to say that neoconservatives are "Israel-first", but the other direction is not true, i.e. all people who support Israel are not true neoconservatives. The majority probably have no idea what neoconservativism actually is (big government socialism) or it's history. And many Israel supporters know that they don't like prominent, naked neoconservative politicians like Lindsey Graham.
Notes on Jane Harman:
If you want to limit the list to those who are actually in a position to wield power, then I think that's a fine decision to leave those off. But I would caution you with regard to how you're putting this: we are not the ones who created the division between us and those people. I understand that you have to build bridges (as oppose to burn them) in politics, BUT....you have to be careful with whom you are forming these alliances. Some of those people have a way of stabbing us in the back; they've done it before.
Requesting addition of:
Cofer Black
Max Boot
Eliot Cohen
Michael Hayden
John Lehman
I may be done name dropping for now, but those pieces of scum have to be on there.
I hope this list can get stickied because it's invaluable for us to be able to smell a neocon from a mile away by who someone surrounds themselves with. These die-hard neocons are straight out vicious to anyone who doesn't share their philosophy.
PS: David Frum, John Podhoretz, and Jamie Kirchick if we're going to include "journalists".
Notes on Peter King:
Notes on Peter Brookes:
Mitt Romney is reportedly considering running for President if Jeb Bush doesn't.
Romney, Christie, and Bush are all full-fledged neocons who may run for Pres in 2016. Fuck them all.
Notes on Republican Main Street Partnership:
What do people think about "The Main Street Partnership"? They seem to fit the criteria for a neoconservative organization, especially when it comes to the big government/socialist agenda, yet don't seem to have many of the true, hardcore, think-tank neoconservatives in their ranks (but they do have neoconservative Senators John McCain and Mark Kirk).
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Board of directors
Amo Houghton - Chairman and founder, former Representative from New York
Steve LaTourette - President and CEO, former Representative from Ohio
Sarah Chamberlain - COO and CFO
Dave Hobson - Board Member, former Representative from Ohio
Tim Regan - Board Member
Senators
Susan Collins, Maine
Mark Kirk, Illinois
John McCain, Arizona
Representatives
Susan Brooks (IN-5)
Ken Calvert (CA-42)
Dave Camp (MI-4)
Shelley Moore Capito (WV-2)
Chris Collins, (NY-27)
Rodney Davis (IL-13)
Jeff Denham (CA-10)
Charlie Dent (PA-15)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Mike Fitzpatrick (PA-8)
Jeff Fortenberry (NE-1)
Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11)
Jim Gerlach (PA-6)
Chris Gibson (NY-19)
Michael Grimm (NY-11)
Richard Hanna (NY-22)
Jaime Herrera Beutler (WA-3)
Lynn Jenkins (KS-2)
Bill Johnson (OH-6)
David Joyce (OH-14)
Adam Kinzinger (IL-16)
Leonard Lance (NJ-7)
Frank LoBiondo (NJ-2)
David McKinley (WV-1)
Cathy McMorris Rodgers (WA-5)
Pat Meehan (PA-7)
Tim Murphy (PA-18)
Erik Paulsen (MN-3)
Tom Petri (WI-6)
Tom Reed (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-8)
Jim Renacci (OH-16)
Scott Rigell (VA-2)
Jon Runyan (NJ-3)
Aaron Schock (IL-18)
Mike Simpson (ID-2)
Steve Stivers (OH-15)
Lee Terry (NE-2)
Pat Tiberi (OH-12)
Mike Turner (OH-10)
Fred Upton (MI-6)
David Valadao (CA-21)
Greg Walden (OR-2)
Ed Whitfield (KY-1)
Frank Wolf (VA-10)
Todd Young (IN-9)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ...et_Partnership
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Steve LaTourette, a former congressman and friend of John Boehner, runs the “Republican Main Street Partnership”. Note the word “Republican.”
As the left-wing Talking Points Memo reported a month ago, LaTourette and his Main Street Partnership have created an affiliated SuperPAC called “Defending Main Street PAC.” Along with the Chamber of Commerce and Republican Leaders, the Main Street Partnership wants to take out troublesome conservatives.
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In other words, the “Republican” Main Street Partnership’s affiliated PAC intends to use George Soros connections and Democrat back groups’ money to defeat conservatives.
More troubling, the Republican Main Street Partnership has a lot of ties to Republican leaders. Again, folks, it is us versus them.
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http://www.redstate.com/2014/01/14/t...mocrat-funded/
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Beware the Left-Wing-Funded "Main Street" Republicans
What do George Soros, labor unions and money-grubbing former GOP Rep. Steven LaTourette all have in common? They're control freaks. They're power hounds. They're united against tea party conservatives. And they all have operated under the umbrella of D.C. groups masquerading as "Main Street" Republicans.
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http://townhall.com/columnists/miche...5795/page/full
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Conservatives have known that a RINO-affiliated and RINO-supporting organizations orgaganized by progressive Republicans, mis-named the “Republican Main Street Partnership” is an extremely progressive group, that desires Republicans take positions to the left and become a clone of the Democrat Party. Some in Congress who affiliate with this group vote for progressive policies more often than some members of the Democrat caucus.
While the mainstream media and some on the left call the Republican Main Street Partnership “centrist,” it is very much to the left and it was created to support Republicans In Name Only (RINOs) in public office.
The Hill reported recently that the Republican Main Street Partnership has accepted donations from unions on the far left, that normally bankroll far left candidates who are most often running on the Democrat ticket. The Hill reported, “Public records show the donors include the SEIU C.O.P.E. Fund, the transportation trades department of the AFL-CIO, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union and the United Transportation Union PAC.”
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http://www.examiner.com/article/rino...xpected-source
Notes on Michael Singh:
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There was a guy named Michael Singh on Fox News today talking about the Ukraine. Obvious neoconservative pundit is obvious. Added him to the list.
Apparently he is the managing director of a neoconservative associated organization called "The Washington Institute". Added that organization to the list too.
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Here's an article by Singh and hardcore neoconservative Elliott Abrams:
http://worldaffairsjournal.org/artic...-peace-process
Notes on Rep. Devin Nunes:
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List has been alphabetized.
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
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Ros-Lehtinen a supported President George W. Bush's surge policy in Iraq, a supports of Israel and supports continued sanctions against Cuba.
She also was Rubio's mentor.Quote:
She has said of the decision to invade Iraq: "Whether or not there is a direct link to the World Trade Center does not mean that Iraq is not meritorious of shedding blood. The common link is that they hate America."
Notes on Mike Rogers:
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What about ACT! for America, Americanism Educational Leaders?
Never heard of them. They don't seem to be textbook, think-tank neoconservative, but "ACT! for America" seems to be pushing aspects of the agenda. Their founder (Brigitte Gabriel) can certainly make the list. She already has an entry at Rightweb. Seems like a Hagee type, very useful to neoconservatives. If we include Hagee, we should include her. Maybe we need a category for useful idiots?
Brian, can you add Ileana Ros-Lehtinen to the OP, please?
Rogers used his position as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee to be the most outspoken fearmongerer in Congress. Now he is retiring to be a radio propagandist.
Rep. Rogers: Amash effort to curb NSA powers 'dangerous'
Rogers is on the offensive against liberty candidate McMillinQuote:
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) called a recent attempt to halt NSA gathering of phone data "dangerous."
The House narrowly rejected an amendment Wednesday from Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), that would have stripped funding for the program, which has come under heavy scrutiny.
Rogers on Sunday defended the program, calling it a "real success," and said halting it could expose the U.S. to future terror attacks.
"What you're doing is taking away the one tool that we know will allow us the nexus between a foreign terrorist overseas talking to someone in the United States," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "It has saved real lives, real folks have come home with their legs…because of this program."
Mike Rogers says Mike Bishop 'won't embarrass this district' during campaign kickoff
This is one of the best summaries
He's some kind of terrible blend of neocon and socon statist, but he has the stamp of approval from Peter King.Quote:
Rogers introduced the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which promoted sharing of data between the government and private Internet companies for the stated aim of preventing cyberattacks. It was criticized for lacking civil liberties safeguards and died after President Barack Obama threatened to veto it. He referred to critics of CISPA as "14-year-olds in their basements clicking around on the Internet."
He has argued that publishers could or should be charged with espionage for printing classified information if they were paid for their work.
He called for American intervention in Syria, saying, "This is the time to act. Don’t wait until we have 5,000 dead. That’s too late."
He has co-sponsored multiple bills to outlaw Internet gambling.
He was the primary sponsor of the censorious Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act, the legislation targeting the Westboro Baptist Church that makes it illegal to protest within 300 feet of a military funeral...
NY Times article with praise from Peter King
Congressman [Rogers]: Iraq War's end gives al-Qaeda opening in SyriaQuote:
Mr. Rogers has become something of a fixture in the public’s mind on intelligence matters. He has been a constant presence on news television and a strong advocate for the government’s intelligence apparatus at a time when Mr. Snowden’s leaks have undercut support and a rising libertarian wing of his party has divided Republicans on issues like cellphone surveillance and Internet monitoring.
“He’s definitely the most out-front intelligence chair, certainly since I was in Congress,” Mr. King said. “He basically rose to the occasion. He did what he had to do.”
House Intelligence Chair Mike Rogers: Iran Deal Could Increase Violence (yeah, cause tougher sanctions and/or war would decrease violence)
Yeah, that'd solve the Hagee problem.