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11-29-2012, 10:03 AM
John F Kennedy III

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Originally Posted by Jordan

I hear you on that. I'm driving my car until it dies.

At any rate, if you ever have the time, you should check out all the goodies on new car lots nowadays. Some killer cars out there at very affordable prices with rockin' MPG ratings. The next few years are going to be great for new car shoppers. Ford's got a new 999cc engine it will bring stateside - word is that it can do 50mpg with 123hp using the EcoBoost tech they have.

I've been going for pleasure recently. Fun to see how the industry is changing.

Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.
11-29-2012, 10:08 AM
Tod

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Originally Posted by MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2

There are many older cars that I would say are superior to newer cars, even in the same model sometimes. That's not just my opinion, but there are plenty of car experts who would say the same thing. Something being newer doesn't make it superior, either.

Unfortunately, when a new design comes out the builder frequently tosses out the baby with the bathwater. Take "wings" for example. Those were a GREAT feature for ventilation, but nobody offers them any more. Why? I suspect because the builder is able to save money by not offering them.

And modern pickups no longer have a real bench seat. I liked the bench seat in my first pickup because my dogs could stretch out comfortably on them. Modern pickup seats don't cut it. They suck.
11-29-2012, 10:14 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III

Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.

As much as I would desperatly like to agree with you, I think the highway fatality rates indicate that the crash engineering in new cars is indeed effective.

But I don't care. I have an aversion to safety.

Plus - one time, in Florida, I was driving my '74 VW bus, which went from 0 - 60 in about 5 minutes. There was no jack-rabbit starting to that thing, so it took a little bigger-than-most-people-need traffic gap to cross intersections. One day, the guy behind me thought I was going to go, and he rammed into the back of me, from a dead stop.

His car was barely driveable, while my bumper was only scratched because it was painted. I suggested we not file a report, because he had nothing to gain. He concurred.
11-29-2012, 10:15 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by Tod

I'd love to have a '74 beetle, if I had the money for a second vehicle and knew of one that wasn't rusted out. Great cars, simple to work on, reliable, fun to drive, decent fuel economy, etc.

Colder than hell in the winter. :)
11-29-2012, 10:20 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by tod evans

And that's why muscle cars continue to drop in value and folks are willing to pay more than list for the new "hot rods"..:rolleyes:

And make no mistake - when I'm finished with it, any vintage car I drive will be worth a lot less than it was when I bought it. I am going to drive the hell out of it.
11-29-2012, 10:21 AM
NorfolkPCSolutions

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Oh, so it's ok for you to insult me and my tastes, but not ok when I turn the tables? Poor baby.

Here's a hint - I like books, camping, baking, food, gardening and sex. And old cars. Sex in old cars, with big back seats. You might say that I can heat my own seats.

Thanks for asking.

Posting in an epic thread. This is gettin' good...pix or it didn't happen! j/k :-)
11-29-2012, 10:21 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by Tod

And modern pickups no longer have a real bench seat. I liked the bench seat in my first pickup because my dogs could stretch out comfortably on them. Modern pickup seats don't cut it. They suck.

Yeah. dogs like big back seats. That's what I tell people, too.
11-29-2012, 10:24 AM
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2

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Originally Posted by Tod

Unfortunately, when a new design comes out the builder frequently tosses out the baby with the bathwater. Take "wings" for example. Those were a GREAT feature for ventilation, but nobody offers them any more. Why? I suspect because the builder is able to save money by not offering them.

Yes. They'll make newer models worse by cutting costs, losing features, adding unreliable technology, sourcing crappier parts, and probably all kinds of other ways. It might be 5-6 years before people can figure out that an older model was better, but if you're looking for a car that is 5-8 years old and start reading owner reviews or forums around the internet, there have been plenty of times where I've seen a 2004 model something being judged superior to the same 2006 model, etc. A lot of times, you'll find people who can tell you exactly why.
11-29-2012, 10:35 AM
John F Kennedy III

I'm not inclined to trust those numbers. Let's just say I'd feel much safer in an old muscle car. Almost any car 50ish thru 73 actually.
11-29-2012, 10:36 AM
John F Kennedy III

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Yeah. dogs like big back seats. That's what I tell people, too.

:D

Dogs hate compact cars...
11-29-2012, 10:39 AM
John F Kennedy III

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Originally Posted by MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2

Yes. They'll make newer models worse by cutting costs, losing features, adding unreliable technology, sourcing crappier parts, and probably all kinds of other ways. It might be 5-6 years before people can figure out that an older model was better, but if you're looking for a car that is 5-8 years old and start reading owner reviews or forums around the internet, there have been plenty of times where I've seen a 2004 model something being judged superior to the same 2006 model, etc. A lot of times, you'll find people who can tell you exactly why.

A 2007 Toyota Tundra should be the only Toyota truck you ever buy. It's better than the previous years and it's been declining ever since. Even 2008 doesn't match it.
11-29-2012, 10:39 AM
Henry Rogue

My 12 year old pickup truck recently went passed 200,000 miles. I can't afford a new vehicle. I can't afford a used vehicle thank's to obama's cash for clunkers. C4L is asking me for thousands, LOL, apparently because I went all in on Ron Paul's campaign.
11-29-2012, 10:41 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III

I'm not inclined to trust those numbers. Let's just say I'd feel much safer in an old muscle car. Almost any car 50ish thru 73 actually.

You just jarred something loose. Another reason I dislike new cars is that they're so soundproof I can't hear what's going on around me. Sirens, squealing tires, people shouting - blocking those things takes away a whole dimension of safety, albeit replacing it with another.
11-29-2012, 10:45 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III

Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.

This is pretty much the opposite of reality.
11-29-2012, 10:49 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by Henry Rogue

My 12 year old pickup truck recently went passed 200,000 miles. I can't afford a new vehicle. I can't afford a used vehicle thank's to obama's cash for clunkers. C4L is asking me for thousands, LOL, apparently because I went all in on Ron Paul's campaign.

Yes, I'm at 214,000.

I can't deny that when I ride in a new car I think, "Oh this is nice!" but seeing the sticker price never fails to knock that silly crap right out of me. I just bought a perfectly good house in a perfectly fine neighborhood for cash, and I'm not about to pay that same amount for a freaking car. I don't care how warm the seats are.
11-29-2012, 10:53 AM
Tod

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Colder than hell in the winter. :)

Actually, they were pretty good until the heat ducts in the rocker panels below the doors rusted out, which didn't take long in Ohio. Once they rusted out, there was no heat. What they should've done is run the heat through the center tube, in my opinion.

I always did all my own maintenance on my bug, from changing the clutch to brakes, oil changes (no filter to buy!). Eventually it died of rust, literally. I drove it until the thing was sagging so badly it was overstressing the steering column. Replaced it with a nearly as simple (no injectors, no computer) S10 and I've been driving pickups almost nonstop since then because for me they are very practical for hauling stuff, which I do on a regular basis, from mulch to lumber to firewood to cement to fence supplies to.....
11-29-2012, 10:54 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2

Yes. They'll make newer models worse by cutting costs, losing features, adding unreliable technology, sourcing crappier parts, and probably all kinds of other ways. It might be 5-6 years before people can figure out that an older model was better, but if you're looking for a car that is 5-8 years old and start reading owner reviews or forums around the internet, there have been plenty of times where I've seen a 2004 model something being judged superior to the same 2006 model, etc. A lot of times, you'll find people who can tell you exactly why.

From model to model it changes. In aggregate, cars improve as time progresses. Technology allows for new materials to be used, new designs to be explored and new production methods to be employed. Not every design change is a winning one but in time those most beneficial to the consumer win out (you know, assuming the government doesn't give billions of dollars to certain companies and drastically distort the market).
11-29-2012, 10:59 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by Tod

Actually, they were pretty good until the heat ducts in the rocker panels below the doors rusted out, which didn't take long in Ohio. Once they rusted out, there was no heat. What they should've done is run the heat through the center tube, in my opinion.

I always did all my own maintenance on my bug, from changing the clutch to brakes, oil changes (no filter to buy!). Eventually it died of rust, literally. I drove it until the thing was sagging so badly it was overstressing the steering column. Replaced it with a nearly as simple (no injectors, no computer) S10 and I've been driving pickups almost nonstop since then because for me they are very practical for hauling stuff, which I do on a regular basis, from mulch to lumber to firewood to cement to fence supplies to.....

Yeah, I had a van, then an Escort, then a van again. I can't imagine going back to a car. I like to haul stuff, tow stuff - and I don't really drive all that much, so the mileage isn't a killer for me.

I saw a guy that had a sign that said free mulch, and I drove home, stuck my trailer on it, went back and took it. All I could think was that if I had a pick up I could have saved myself a trip. :)
11-29-2012, 11:01 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III

A 2007 Toyota Tundra should be the only Toyota truck you ever buy. It's better than the previous years and it's been declining ever since. Even 2008 doesn't match it.

If true, Toyota will lose market share and eventually die, or they'll solve the problems. There's no reason to confidently state that a 2007 Tundra will be the best truck they ever produce, though. A person could have said something similar about Jeep when they started to put out low-value vehicles about a decade ago.
11-29-2012, 11:04 AM
angelatc

Just so we're clear, King Nothing doesn't like me, and wants me to kill myself. And he doesn't even believe his initial post was rude? This is the neg he left for me, in response to a neg I left him:

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Eat a bullet, you hormonal cunt. I was not rude to you, but since you decided to go there, I will too.

He thinks I should kill myself, either because I was rude to him, or because I like old cars. I'll bet he doesn't see anything wrong with that sentiment, either.

Really, what kind of a person says that?

The Inifiniti does seem to suit him, I'll give him that.
11-29-2012, 11:14 AM
tod evans

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Originally Posted by angelatc

I wish they'd drop a little more :) ! I like a car that has some style. The new cars have none of that, with the possible exception of the high end sports cars that I'll never be able to afford.

I wrote that prices were dropping with the utmost satire possible...They're not going down any time soon....That ol' '69RS/SS will double in value in 10years while the "new" hot rods will loose 1/2 their value....Or more.
11-29-2012, 11:17 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Really, what kind of a person says that?

You understand that both in this thread and through repping, you started it, right?

You wrote: "Fuck you. I don't give negs, but I'll make an exception for you, asshole."

So I responded in kind, you pathetic, ugly, troll of a woman.
11-29-2012, 11:18 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by tod evans

I wrote that prices were dropping with the utmost satire possible...They're not going down any time soon....That ol' '69RS/SS will double in value in 10years while the "new" hot rods will loose 1/2 their value....Or more.

Yeah, I got that. ;)

One of the high school football players is driving an Oldsmobile convertible from the 70's. Cherry red, with a white interior. I don't know much about cars and engines, but while I don't think it classifies as a muscle car, it is a very nice looking machine.
11-29-2012, 11:19 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by KingNothing

You understand that both in this thread and through repping, you started it, right?

You wrote: "Fuck you. I don't give negs, but I'll make an exception for you, asshole."

So I responded in kind, you pathetic, ugly, troll of a woman.

And you literally don't see any difference between the two comments. There's seriously something wrong with that, and you don't even realize it. Wow.
11-29-2012, 11:24 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by angelatc

And you literally don't see any difference between the two comments. There's seriously something wrong with that, and you don't even realize it. Wow.

There is no difference. The sentiment is the same. Basically, you started a fight and didn't like where it ended up, so now the other person is at fault. Grow up, you troll.
11-29-2012, 11:30 AM
Danke

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Originally Posted by angelatc

I like books, camping, baking, food, gardening and sex.

In that order?
11-29-2012, 11:41 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by KingNothing

There is no difference. The sentiment is the same. Basically, you started a fight and didn't like where it ended up, so now the other person is at fault. Grow up, you troll.

Humans are flawed individuals. Some of us are more flawed than others. Most of us manage to deal with it without telling other people to kill themselves, because we believe that would be horrible, even when we don't especially like the other person. The point I was making by posting the neg I received had nothing to do with diverting blame. It was intended to speak to something deeper. And it's surreal that I have to spell that out. Although I suspect you still won't get it, because there's something quite "different" about our psyches.

If I ever had any doubt about the intent of the original post, that neg would have removed them.
11-29-2012, 11:41 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by Danke

In that order?

Wouldn't you like to know?
11-29-2012, 11:43 AM
angelatc

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Humans are flawed individuals. Some of us are more flawed than others. Most of us manage to deal with it without telling other people to kill themselves, because we believe that would be horrible, even when we don't especially like the other person. The point I was making by posting the neg I received had nothing to do with diverting blame. It was intended to speak to something deeper. And it's surreal that I have to spell that out. Although I suspect you still won't get it, because there's something quite "different" about our psyches.

If I ever had any doubt about the intent of the original post, that neg would have removed them.

PS: I don't have a cell phone, either.
11-29-2012, 11:44 AM
KingNothing

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Originally Posted by angelatc

Wouldn't you like to know?

No, we wouldn't.

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