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OK, re-reading, you are asking what I would do, if I went out with my firearm and someone behind me said "Drop the gun?" Is that it? Because, it's simple, I'd drop my gun. Number one: They have the drop on me. Number two: If someone is ordering me to drop my gun they aren't in the execution business.

Ashli Babbitts fire WAS extinguished and I'd like to know the name of the perpetrator as well.

Kid should never had been in kids position. If parents kept track he might not have been out. If parents had driven Latin King fuckers from their neighborhood, he might not have joined. No body taught him. Gunshots and a running rabbit brings wolves. Could have thrown it down at ANY point in the chase. Chose not to until the end when it made all the difference in the world. Could have told his Cabron to go pound sand when he passed the gun off. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, esse fucked up that night. Buenas noches. ETA: I put 0% on the cop. I'd have shot the kid under the same or similar circumstances. Why the fuck is blame going to be laid where it shouldn't be? WHY THE FUCK do parents allow gangs to operate in their neighborhoods? WHY THE FUCK do they allow their kids to join them? This shit went down with neighborhood parent consent. It happened because they allowed it to. This is ALL on the neighborhood. The People. Period.

You design it, I'll pitch it on Shark Tank.

I'd be looking at a Halon 1211 (yeah yeah yeah I know...or a suitable "green" equivalent) foam system combined with a liquefied refrigerant. Cooling is essential and absolutely key to knocking one of these battery fires down. That's why they keep re-igniting. You think you got it knocked down, overhauled and out, meanwhile the shorted plates are still there, still discharging rapidly and creating fresh heat. Maybe a portable fire tent as well. Cover the vehicle with the tarp or tent, secure it as best as possible and flood the now enclosed space with 1211 Halon foam and liquid R426 or something similar.

You are a great armchair quarterback. Given what I saw n tape I'd have fired. Period.

Ooospsie?

Well, there is the billion dollar winner, AF and Pete. The fire triangle consist of ignition source, fuel and oxygen. Cut any leg and the stool falls. So, get your two heads together. Come out with a non-combustible foam that will choke out oxygen from a burning battery and I will huck it in late night television

And again you are correct. Been a long time since military fire training and was posting quick. Perhaps Tesla should send a memo to departments. Or we could invent a water, powder, foam spray. We kill the trinity outright instead of breaking just a leg. ETA: After reading AF's post's I've changed my mind. You may well be incorrect on this.

I owe you a rep

Nobody hit him. Nobody attacked him. He died of natural causes well after the fact. It was all bullshit...but nobody cares, nobody will retract it, nobody will apologize and Ashli Babbit remains dead.

Nobody hit him. Nobody attacked him. He died of natural causes well after the fact. It was all bullshit...but nobody cares, nobody will retract it, nobody will apologize and Ashli Babbit remains dead.

No, he didn't. He threw it behind the fence, you can see where he tossed it in the video. If the officer saw the gun hit the ground, he wouldn't have shot.. he saw the gun in his hand, then he saw his hands being raised.

Pete, here's the problem with the damn things. It's not the arc or an external short causing the fire, it's an internal runaway reaction that cannot be stopped without massive amounts of cooling water. The plates contain energy, the electrolyte allows energy to drain or charge the battery by allowing ionic flow through it from plate to plate. If that plate separation is compromised, and they make contact in a short circuit, or the electrolyte is lost and they heat up and melt together, a fire is inevitable as all the energy contained in the plates is now rapidly released at the short circuit, and expands as the area gets hotter, the components melt together and the electrolyte gasses off. Which leaves the only way it can be put out is to drown it with water to cool the components below explosion, BLEVE or LEL limits.

I'm moving my replies from the other thread to here: Here's an updated flier for first responders dealing with an EV fire/crash from DOT dated 2014 http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nvs/pdf/811575-InterimGuideHEV-HV-Batt_LawEnforce-EMS-FireDept-v2.pdf While they note that damaged or burning battery packs may contain residual high voltages and leads and cables are to be avoided, the best and only solution seems to be "surround and drown".

Ya, I know, which tells us the officer saw the gun... and instead of dropping the gun or placing it in front of him so the officer could see that he dropped it, he threw it behind his back behind the fence and put his hands, up and the officer thought it was still in his hand..

You sure they weren't boys?

Here's an updated flier for first responders dealing with an EV fire/crash from DOT dated 2014 http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nvs/pdf/811575-InterimGuideHEV-HV-Batt_LawEnforce-EMS-FireDept-v2.pdf While they note that damaged or burning battery packs may contain residual high voltages and leads and cables are to be avoided, the best and only solution seems to be "surround and drown". A "B" class extinguisher could be used to knock down visible flames long enough to extract or rescue occupants, but without massive amounts of water to cool and stop a thermal runaway, your only other choice is to retreat, isolate and let it burn. Apparently these batteries are not too different from lead acid batteries, in that they have plates, screens and spacers all wrapped around one another and submerged in an electrolyte solution. Rupture and short circuiting of these plates during charging or in crash, causes electrolyte boiling, offgassing then explosion and fire.

If I'd been in this situation. A miscreant in the early morning hours popping off shots on my property or in my neighborhood. If I'd witnessed the gun in the right hand as he turned quickly towards me... I'd have dropped him. Fuck anyone that has a problem with that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9488919/Derek-Chauvin-trial-judge-blasts-abhorrent-Rep-Maxine-Waters.html

Yes, it is. Lieing is telling an untruth. It matters not the reason why.

This jab has been in the works for years, they just needed a reason to get people to take it. This is an evil agenda, no doubt.

Jury tampering is a crime.

Well, truth to that. But, does every firehouse have the right foam?

That's what the manual said.

In one fire, more smoke, soot, particulate matter and toxic gases were emitted than 100,000 standard ICE Honda Civics driving 100,000 miles each.

In 5 yrs. kids will be giving hand jobs for donations. In ten, blow jobs. And those that donate will be able to write it off.