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The last time we talked about this I landed on "He should have just Spartan kicked her." There's really no such thing as a "good shooting" in my book because something has gone wrong to get to that point. (I guess shooting a deer when you're hungry is a good shooting but that's besides the point). I think there should have been a trial of the officer who should Ashley Babbit or at the very a public adversarial hearing where he had to explain himself. I don't buy the "It's obviously murder" argument that Tucker Carlson and others gave who seem to always want due process and "wait for all of the facts" for every other officier involved shooting. (I'm not sure what Tucker has to say for the officer who has now admitted he shot Sonya Massie in the face because he took "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" to be a threat.) As for the point of the Babylon Bee sketch, I get it. I'm just making a counter point. It's misleading. And everytime I've seen Fox News cover January 6th being "peaceful" the only show the peaceful parts. CNN only shows the violent parts. Same in reverse for the BLM protests. Dr.3D hit the nail on the head. There were two sets of protestors on January 6th. There were two sets of protestors for the BLM protests. Both sides have people who can honestly say that the protests they were involved in were peaceful. And I'm certain there were government provecetures who inflitrated both groups. And in both groups there were people who were not with the government who got carried away with the violence because they were gullible and impressionable. And that is how you divide and conquer. Go all the way back to the Tea Party protests which were followed by the Occupy Wallstreet protests. Both groups were made about the same thing yet both groups saw the other group as the problem. There is an old video that I can't find now of a Sarah Palin supporter who just couldn't believe Palin supported the banker bailouts. We're so easily manipulated it's not even funny.

I was in between Nashville and Birmingham at the time and I don't disagree.

So one false positive (that I know of) so far and one indictment so far. And this indictment is a federal indictment in the Northern District of Albama which, as I pointed out to Swordsmyth, is still occupied by a Trump appointee. See: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndal/pr/undocumented-individual-charged-connection-voting-fraud-and-passport-fraud#:~:text=Using%20the%20same%20false%20identity,and%20from%20Guatemala%20in%202022. We'll see how many of the 3,000 "alien voters" turn out to be false positives, how many turn out to be indictiments, and how many are never resolved one way or the other.

Do you honestly think that multiple people smashing windows of barricaded doors is the equivalent of moving a podium around as in the OP video which pretends none of that even happened? And I've explained this to you before but you have selective amnesia. Had she been allowed to come through and the cop arrested her others could have climbed through when he was dealign with her. He should have kicked or shoved or punched her back through the window instead of shooting her, but it wasn't as clear cut as you try to pretend. And the fact that it was a "95% functional barracade" (your words) is enough proof that they had no business trying to cross it in the first place, let alone smashing the windows to try to cross it. That's the point. The Babylon Bee's spoof is misleading on what happened. I hate Ashli Babbitt died. But to pretend that the protestors smashing windows with clubs and helments were "peaceful" is laughable.

I"ve seen video of Ashli Babbit asking the police who were standing in front of the door to let the prostestors through because the protestors were on their side (the police). No I can't find it now but I saw it. Kneeling in the window? Wow. That's some creative word salad. Nobody "kneels in a window." She was crawling through it. Her husband claimed that she was trying to get away from the protestors, which again flies in the face of what she was seen saying to the police. Also as the 3 police who were there walked away she could have gone with them if she was really afraid. Or she could have asked them to stay at their posts if she was really "deployed" at the capitol to work with them. Had they stayed at their posts the windows wouldn't have been smashed and she wouldn't have attempted to crawl through and gotten shot. Seconds before she crawled through the officer that shot her revealed himself and showed his gun. Someone yelled "He's got a gun." That should have been enough warning not to go through the barricade, but she went through anyway. As she got shot there were SWAT officers walking up the steps to replace the officers who left. The officers who left should have stayed at their posts for another few minutes. As for the whole "How many were government hired help?" How many of the violent BLM / antifa protestors were government hired help? That's definitely been proven to have happened. Both sides claim theiir protests where peaceful and blame any violence on government infiltrators. Here's an idea. Don't got ot mass protests if there is any chance there will be violence by anybody and leave as soon as anybody does something stupid. The "Q-Anon shaman" didn't smash any windows but when he entered the capitol he came in through a smashed window when the open door was right next to it. Like, why would anyone think that was okay? I feel sorry for peoiple like Dr. Simone Gold was wasn't even there for to election protest but was speaking about medical freedom and got caught up in the crowd and ended up pleading guilty to two federal misdemeanors. But at least she didn't get stuck with a felony.

Am I trying to make you dishonestly move the goal post? No. You're doing that fine on your own. You didn't intially say that the Georgia school shooting got more coverage than a subway shooting. You claimed that the subway shooting got no national coverage. That was provably false. But now you want to pretend I said they got the same amount of coverage when that's not what I said and you know it. You're better than that. Yes. School shootings get more coverage than just about anything that happens. There is a reason for that. It's because they are school shootings. How much more coverage did the white Irish girls stabbed by a Muslim person of color get than the Georgia school shootings? A hell of a lot more and you know it. Rather than focusing on the real story here, that school resource officers stopped this from being another Uvalde by taking the shooter down without even kiling him, you want to strangely make this about whether or not a white killer gets more coverage than a black killer focusing on the race of the killer rather than the innocence of the victims. No sane person, and I am questioning your sanity at this point, expects the reaction of the random murders of children to not get the same level of coverage as the killing of homeless adults. I even pointed out to you that when two white men murdered a black woman in Nashville Tennessee by pushing her into the Cumberland River while she was sleeping that got ZERO national coverage! Based on your twisted racial view of the world that should have been 24/7 coverage for weeks because "racist white men murdered a black woman they didn't even know in her sleep." But nope. No coverage. None whatsover except on the local news. But you don't want to talk about that because it's not fitting your narrative.

So...now you're down to straight up dishonest? I really thought better of you. You made a mistake when you falsely claimed your subway shooting story was only local when it was coverened nationally. I don't know why you can't just own up to your mistake instead of trying to change the subject. You are, or at least were, better than that. Last year's shooting of the "sweet 16" birthday party got a lot of coverage too and it wasn't an election year. And I never said this shooting wasn't getting more coverage than it deserved as Brian4Liberty is saying. So why do you feel the need to make up stuff?

They knew what would happen if some actually tried to come through the barracade. Apparently Ashley Babbit couldn't figure that out. Edit: Look at this CNN reporter chuckle about being shot with a bb pellet when BLM protestors were assaulting CNN center and he was behind a wall of police. Again, both sides discount their own violence.

One more thing Anti Federalist. You want to call me out on not commenting on every point you've made in this thread, but you've yet to comment on the fact that you were proven absolutely false in your assertion that the subway shooter did not get national coverage and TheCount was shown to be correct that the victims were most likely homeless. Your whole narrative, that somehow coverage of mass shooting is based on race, is BS.

The actual scariest moment of January 6. It's funny how the left tries to pretend all of the BLM protestors were peaceful and not of the January 6th protestors were and the right tries to pretend all of the January 6th protestors were peaceful and none of the BLM protestors were. Here's an idea. If you're smashing windows and trying to go places that are barracaded, whether they are department stores or the part of the capitol where congress had just been evacuated, maybe you aren't peaceful. Just a thought.

What the hell does that have to do with school shootings? Answer, absolutely positively nothing. That said, HBCUs don't have to deal with teacher's unions. I remember when Don Seigalman was running for governer of Alabama at the time. He actually showed up at my HBCU and nobody was there but me. So he asked me what I would like to see happen for our state. I told him "Do something about K-12 education." He was like "I hadn't thought about that. That's a good idea." He ended up running on an education platform, got elected, and tried to do statewide education reform. The teachers union, which was run by white Paul Hubbard, killed the plan. Mr. Hubbard later ran for governor himself and (thankfully) lost. Most of the Birmingham city K-12 schools are black with an almost completely black student body and almost completely black staff. Why is that? Because the white people broke off from Birmiingham, have their own schools, mayors, police force etc. They thought they were being smart, but they were really being stupid. Matt Collins posted a video recently about the differnces economically between Nashville and Memphis and one of the key differences is Nashville, like Atlanta, has a countywide metropolitian government where as Memphis is a city with a lot of surrounding smaller cities split mostly among racial lines that duplicate all of the services and siphon off the tax base. So Birmingham all black city schools suck and Memphis all black city schools suck. My cousin was a principal at one of those all black schools, ironically named "Robert E. Lee middle school", and through a series of innovations she managed to have her school lbe the only Birmingham school on grade level that was not a magnet school or a charter school. And she had to deal with the teacher's union crap too. So, your question simply isn't intelligent. What you crave so badly, segregated schools, already exists in much of the south. If a black family happens to move into a neighborhood with a mostly white public school, by law their children can't be kept out, but you don't have a lot of white families moving in to the inner city. Even poor whites typically go for trailers in rural areas, though I have met poor whites in the projects at least in Nashville. When I drove the church van at one point I was picking up a members of a poor white family in the projects and them to a black church and yet I noticed they had a confederate flag in their living room. It takes all kinds I guess. Some chick in HS who wanted to date me didn'r realize how much she turned me off with her confedate flag waving. I guess you can be thankful I don't have some mixed race kids like Clarence Thomas. Oh wait. He only had a child with his black wife. I guess he's okay. I haven't had time to go through all of those records but the vast majority of them don't have race. But again that has nothing to do with school shootings. But I get it. You're being defensive over the fact that most school shooters are white people and you're wanting to fall back on black gang bangers killing each other as if that's somehow equivalent. Okay. White gang leaders Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky have killed an estimated 500,000 white people comibined in their stupid war. And Adolf Hitler killed millions of white people. World War 1 was started by white people. World War 2 was started by white people, though Asians dragged America in. And yes the black Hutus killed hundreds of thousands of black Tutsis but they were armed by the white French. People suck. But some people shoot up schools more than others.

The ratios of school shootings are not close because they are overwhelmingly white people killing white people. Most of the cases of black people killing white people are crime related. (Drug deals going bad, car jackings etc). It's not some random black person walking into a church and opening fire for....reasons. Not saying that never happens, but it's not typical. Nobody on this forum was trying to make this story about white people until you tried to make it about black people by talking about a totally unrelated shooting and falsely claiming that shooting wasn't getting national coverage when it fact it is.

Sorry. Which two specifically? I know I answered your question about the white transgender teacher verses the picture of the black man studying with the child. The question itself is incompent because there are black transgenders and straight white people. What's the other question? And what do any of your question have to do with school shootings?

Only when the motivation fits your particular narrative and not when it doesn't. Case in point this person. You won't see AF bringing up his motivation but you'll see people on the left doing that. Likewise people on the left won't highlight a shooter being gay.

Should what be in the forefront of your mind? It doesn't matter anyway. Even by your own stats, blacks killing whites is rare and black kids getting a gun and coming to shoot up a school is super rare. So your whole argument about which teacher is more likely to keep a black kid from coming to shoot up a school is basically stupid beyond belief and a sign of your race obsession. To justify your obsession you highlight other shootings that have no connection with school shootings such as the mentally disturbed black man who killed 4 (most likely) homeless people on the subway. Yes that's terrible and tragic, but that's got nothing to do with someone shooting up a school. And school shootings didn't just start happening in 2024. The first school shooting that I remember was Columbine in 1999. Sure there were school shootings before that but that one really shook the national consciousness. But you don't count that shooting for some odd reason because it's not 2024. Actually I know the reason. You want to skew the stats in favor of your ridciulous argument that race has something to do with school shootings. It doesn't, unless you're arguing that there is something wrong with white people. You went through part of the list I gave and found a more blacks than whites? Okay. Here's a list that, as I go through it, has clearly more whites than anybody else. It's the school shooting list. https://apnews.com/general-news-9236adb78dda4ad198b5b6719024d8b2 Typical person on this list. If you were really concerend about school shootings as opposed to pushing some racial narrative, ^that is the type of young person you would be concerned about. Yes there is inner city gang violence and most of that inner city gang violence tends to be black. But those gang members typically don't shoot up a school. The closest I've seen is the Dadeville massacre where every person shot and/or killed was a high school student but it happened off campus and none of the shooters went to that school and some were in their mid 20s. I still haven't heard what the motive for that was. The latest news I can find was from May of this year when the indictments were handed down. https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2023/05/24/grand-jury-hands-down-indictments-in-dadeville-mass-shooting-case/70254294007/

I think you have a point. Some of the things he's said in the past are 100% incompatible with winning. Like doing that interview with Bob Woodward. Why would you put it out that played down COVID because you didn't want to cause a panic while you are running for president? In fact, why even give and interview with Bob Woodward? The correct answer to that question would have been "Dr. Fauci said in February 2000 that the risk of COVID was miniscule and I believed him." Whether that was true or not, that was the best answer from a political point of view. Swordsmyth can do mental gymnastics on this all day, but that's not a person on planet earth that would not have liked that answer better than the one he gave. Certainly there is a huge risk to winning this year. There is a very good chance the economy will crash further in 2025 and not recover by 2028. Whoever is in the Whitehouse might be declared the next Herbert Hoover. If the Democrats are in, they will own the next great depression. If Trump wins all the blame will be put on him and historians will claim that the Democrats could have saved the economy if they had just been given 4 more years.

Okay. But this poll is definitely not helping Harris. There is another reason people do polls and that is to have some indication of how things are going. It's helpful to campaigns to be able to make adjustments. And it's news worthy. I believe the polls showing Biden's numbers crashing due to his obvious mental decline were accurate. The democrats made an adjustment. I'm not surprised that Harris got a bump just for being the not so dark horse canidate. Whatever you say about Harris she's not in mental decline. What you see is as good as it gets.

:rolleyes: That's got nothing to do with race. My kids went to an all black school K-4 and an overwhelmingly white school 5 - 12 and had good teachers both times. I think sometimes you forget I'm actually black and know what I'm talking about but okay. The black school didn't have any male teachers at all except the band teacher and the basketball coach / P.E. teacher. There are also black transgenders so it's possible to get a black transgender teacher, though not at the sort of private Christian schools I we sent our children to so your whole "tranny" argument has no relevance. Edit: And for the record the white school my kids went to did a better job at nipping bullying in the bud than the black school, though it did improve after they left with a different principal. In reality having a good principal is a necessary and sufficient condition for having a good school. Edit 2: But I have to ask. If the ONLY choice that YOU were given for a principal for your child's school was a black conservative Christian or a white liberal, would you still pick the white liberal? To be fair I won't say a white transgender because you already said you want segregation by sexual orientation too. Thomas Sowell verses George Stephanopolus or Bill Clinton. Those are your only options.

I thought you were trying to stop school shooting? But I guess that's just a smokescreen. :rolleyes: Got it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brian4Liberty again.

The freshmen kids at the "Christian" school I went to who put a stop to the bullying by threatening to fight back were white so your "solution" of segregation is BS. I have a better idea. Segregate the bullies. (As in kick them out of school). Problem solved.

Didn't we just recently have the biggest drop in the stock market since 2008?

Politics is like the weather. The best you can hope for is a 5 day forecast. I didn't know Hillary was in trouble until election day when Barack Obama said "No matter what happens, the sun is going to come up tomorrow." I was like "What the hell?" Hillary had a $1 million victory clelebration planned with fireworks and everything.

I just found out that Israel has also killed Americans living in the West Bank. But of course that isn't being talked about. Here's the latest of an American protestor being shot dead by Israeli soldires in the West Bank. https://apnews.com/article/american-shot-killed-west-bank-israel-palestinians-b2f1c741cea3d56eb1a339240dbf036e

Okay. Let's assume for a minute he's gay. And? He didn't shoot people because he's gay. He shot people because he was bullied. I recently posted a story of parents suing the Chelsae Alabama high school because their son committed suicide because he was buillied. The parents asked prior to the suicide to allow remote education and were denied. Someone should have at least told them that free homeschooling was an option. Anyway, being bullied seems to be a pattern in a lot of these school shootings. I was bullied at the private Christian boarding acadaemy I went to. You couldn't put a Van Halen poster on your dorm wall because "rock music is of the devil", but one kid had a KKK cartoon on the wall. I still remember it. I could probably sktech it out and that's over 30 years ago. And no that's nto all that happened but I don't feel like reliving that crap. The bullying only stopped several years later when some freshmen, the normal targets of the bullying, decided to fight back and let it be known that the would. So finally the boys dean, who had before say this as all "fun and games" made it clear that it would no longer be tollerated and just like that it stopped. Of course you can't stop everything. The bullying I experienced was physical. Kids are now deleting themselves, and others, over words. In some cases the words are posted online. I'm not sure what the answer to that is. The private academy I went to was small. Maybe 120 to 160 kids max. The boys dean could stop the physical bullying with just a word. I'm not sure what you do with the modern mini-city high schools with thousands of students jammed in them.

You are, of course, 100% correct. But I keep running into people who reflexively think "More guns in the school equals more crime." I seriously heard someone I know say that. I had a elderly cousin who back in the 1950s when she taught high school would put her pistol on her desk every day. I have another cousin who recently retired as a principal who got the FBI civilian training and took a gun to school and hired military vets to work as janitors or cooks and secretly double as school security. And when I bring this up with members of my family who can't see the "arm the teachers" argument, they say "But that's differnt. I trust so and so." Okay. So you trust random strangers to have access to your children were, if they're really evil, they could molest them or stab them to death with a school kitchen knife, but heaven forbid they actually have a means to stop a mass shooting because you don't trust them? SMH.

Yeah. Who would believe that was anything but a political assassination? No subtlety there. Guaranteed hot civil war as opposed to the current cold civil war. The U.S. Secret Service would by law have to be in prison with him. Your reasonging for why the assassination plot wasn't better done is plausible deniability. An actual Navy SEAL or Delta Force sniper wouldn't have missed the second shot after only grazing the ear with the first. So why not put one of your best on the job? Plausible deniability in case he gets caught? I can see that. ANd they kind of sort of shifted the blame to Iran. What plausibie deniability would there be to Trump being suicided in prison with the Secret Service? And yeah I know one Democrat tried to strip his Secret Service but that wouldn't have passed.

Mental exercise. Can you imagine a single voter who's planning to vote for Trump post conviction that would be discouraged from voting for him if he got sentenced and/or imprisoned prior to the election? Because I can't.