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Looking at the Liberty Candidates form, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?42-Liberty-Campaigns, Joe Kent and Lilly Tang Williams seem to be the only ones to have made it past their primaries, besides liberty incumbents like Thomas Massie.

You as well. But I don't think we ever "started." I was answering someone's point about the OP movie getting into theaters and explained that winning the election isn't the priority of the people who have the money to get such a movie into theaters. Folks are trying to a culture war as opposed to an election. And...that's fine. Everybody has their own priorities.

Okay. Well I was talking about J.D. Vance's unverified (read debunked) cat story and you started talking about the Bible. I have no idea what you meant by any of that but whatever. Have a great day!

I'm not sure what's confusing. I'm trying to agree with you. I guess I'm the one confused by your argument that peddling debunked videos about cat eating Haitians and going on meet the press and claiming that you "created" the story (when we all know J.D. Vance didn't), is somehow productive or not divisive or whatever it is that you're trying to say. So please...unconfuse me. Edit: This is the word salad I'm trying to parse: Whether stories are "verified" or "unverified" has little if anything to do with whether they also "bring people together" or "pull people apart". "Verified" stories can "pull people apart" - and "unverified" ones can "bring people together". (And that's not even getting into the questions of what "verified" really even means in the first place, which standards of "verification" ought to be applied to which stories under which circumstances, and so forth.)

Okay. Let you know if I ever find such a a movie? Such a what movie? A movie that attacks Kamala Harris? That's in the OP! And I'm not trying to "criticize" it. Quite the contrary I'm making the point that even though the right (supposedly) wants to beat Kamala Harris, they aren't going to support putting the only movie that I'm currently aware of that specifically attacks Kamala Harris into theatres. Nope. Their resources are going to win the "culture war" in between harping for Israel. But okay. However people want to spend their limited resources is on them. Clearly culture war issues and Israel are clearly more important to Ben Shapiro and company. Got it. And I'm betting the only "real racism" is against white people right?

Sure buddy. Whatever you say. Having J.D. Vance peddle an already debunked cat lady video is the way to win hearts and minds. Don't actually focus on the real issues because Nick Fuentes said not to. Just have funny playing in the kitty litter box playing to a base of MAGA hat wearing welfare recipients.

And some things are just counter productive but whatever. The main point I was addressing is why you won't see an actual video attacking Kamala Harris in a way that could win an election while we're in an election year. On a certain level I don't care except that I would love to see more and more black people wake up to the fact that the Democrats don't really care. But "Racism doesn't exist" movies don't really help that. It makes the base feel good though. I'm looking forward to Rand Paul/Thomas Massie 2028.

Yeah. Like the Democrats can pass $780 million dollar spending packages without Republican acquiessance. But thanks for the additional data! Now if only there was a presidential candidate or VP candidate that would talk about immigration in terms of dollars and cents as opposed to cats and dogs. Rand Paul/Thomas Massie 2028?

There was no "magical invisible wall" keeping people out in the 1970s when I was a kid and we were able to walk across the border to Mexico to get a birthday pinata and walk back without knowing when we crossed. During that same trip it was harder to get from Arizona to California because there was a fruit quarantine going on. I think tht's PAF's point. The more the government has gotten involved the worse the immigration problem has become.

You must actually care about winning the election rather than winning the culture war. You know what's in theaters right now? Matt Walsh's "Am I Racist?" Nothing at all to do with the election itself, but hey, gotta fight the culture war.

:rolleyes: Because verfifed stories that can bring people together aren't as fun as unverified stories that pull people apart.

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Did gangs take over apartment complexes in Colorado? Is it still a problem? Why is that not the discussion?

Going down the EBT high balance rabbit hole I found this story that doesn't seem to be related to immigraiton: https://web.archive.org/web/20210125011903/https://www.bostonherald.com/2013/05/30/next-scandal-platinum-ebt-cards/ Next scandal: Platinum EBT cards RECORDS REQUEST: A receipt showing a hefty EBT card balance, right, has sparked a records request from the state. Above is the keeper of public records in the state, Secretary of State William Galvin.

^This is what the conversation should be about.

As Anti Federalist pointed out, during the Trump years the number of immigrants from Ukraine were less than 10,000. Now it's over 217,000. The difference is not the amount of welfare. The difference is (drumroll please) U.S. foreign policy which destabilized their country! If the welfare state was reduced to nothing, people would still be streaming into the U.S. because of how the U.S. has for over 100 years destablizied Haiti, for the past few decades destablized Venezuela, and for the past few years destablized Ukraine. So until we stop screwing over other people countries it's not going to slow the mass migration numbers. That said, there SHOULD be limits on welfare especially for migrants and people SHOULD investigate if the stories are true. From what I can find so far refugees are granted cash assistance both that the federal and the state level, but I can't find how anyone would end up with $30,000 on an EBT card. https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/orr/orr_asylee_fact_sheet.pdf https://www.dshs.wa.gov/esa/community-services-offices/refugee-cash-assistance#:~:text=To%20be%20eligible%20for%20the,would%20no%20longer%20receive%20RCA. So...why aren't Trump and J.D. Vance talking about ^that? Why isn't anybody talking about that?

So....I read the whole thing. It's got headers so its easy to find the part talking about the welfare state. Here it is: The welfare state and liberty What about the old right-wing canard that you can’t have open borders with a welfare state? It’s wrongheaded. Of course, you can have both. Sure, it might mean the payment of higher taxes, but is that any reason to abandon one’s principles and, in the process, inflict harm on all the people who are not coming to get on welfare? Moreover, keep in mind that both right-wingers and left-wingers favor a welfare state. So they’re saying that advocates of liberty should join them in their support of immigration socialism until the right-wing, left-wing welfare state is dismantled, which might be never. Instead of destroying the freedom that comes with open borders, how about devoting our efforts to dismantling the right-wing, left-wing welfare state? In the meantime, if right-wingers and left-wingers choose to give welfare to foreigners, let’s not be duped into joining them in their wrongdoing. Let’s just continue trying to end their wrongdoing. And make no mistake about it: open borders is not just about bringing an end to death, suffering, rapes, kidnappings, deportations, a Berlin Wall, and a massive police state. Most important, open borders is about liberty. As Thomas Jefferson pointed out in the Declaration of Independence, everyone — not just Americans — has been endowed by nature and God with such fundamental rights as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That’s precisely what most people are doing when they cross political borders — they are trying to sustain their life with labor, entering into mutually agreeable arrangements with others, and pursuing happiness in their own way.

So....why were the "Latinos for Trump" all on one side of the stage? Something is odd about that by itself.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again. +rep

Great idea! He's proposed it before as I recall. And.....it's not going to pass. But he's doing a good job positioning himself to run in 2028. He still hasn't endorsed Trump. I see Rand Paul commercial on YouTube as much as I see Trump and Kamala Harris. And he's proposing something that has about as much chance of passing as he has of winning the presidency. In fact I'd say he has a better chance of winning the presidency than he does getting this through congress as a sitting senator.

Mystery solved. Some of the pagers didn't explode and have been examined. Explosives were put in them while they sat in port for 3 months waiting for clearance. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/how-did-hezbollah-get-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon How did Hezbollah get the pagers that exploded in Lebanon? Al Jazeera traces a pager supply chain from Taiwan to Hungary to Lebanon — including a three-month port layover during which explosives might have been placed in the devices. Pagers on display at a meeting room at the Gold Apollo company building in New Taipei City, Taiwan, Video Duration 07 minutes 16 seconds

It's easy to find videos of cell phone batteries exploding like the one I posted earlier in this thread. But everyone I've seen 1) had large flames coming out and 2) had more explosive force. From the reports of what recently happened people were losing limbs from this attack and none of the explosions I've seen from this attack were accompanied by flames.

:rolleyes: You missed your calling at the neocon forums.

Pay to defend themselves? That's not what happened. They were given $391 million to buy weapons by Trump and they used that money to buy the weapons from American companies. https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/ So no. Ukraine wasn't "paying to defend itself." Trump delayed the money because he wanted Biden's corruption investigated. I agree with that delay. Biden delayed the money as a favor to Burisma, a company paying his son $80,000 a month, and that needed to be investigated. But nowhere was it in the cards that Ukraine would "pay to defend itself." I'm not sure how you came up with that nonsense.

Bollocks. The proven story of the kid who died from the bus accident was enough to get the story national attention. And whatever Trump said in the debate would get national attention. So if the only thing Trump had talked about was the bad Haitian driving and the school bus accident that still would have been getting coverage and you know it. At least you should. We had national coverage and a whole thread about the Venezuelan gang "taking over" and appartment building. And while that story turned out to be a bit exagerated, it was based in truth. Nobody was able to say "The Venezuelan gang in the video turned out to be just a regular American street gang." You just proved my point. Immigration has been a hot button issue all year. There have been national stories about immigration proven by official sources all year. The Springfiled Ohio story was already a national story because of the 11 year old killed in the bus accident. Trump could have talked about that during the debate and J.D. Vance could have talked aboiut it on the morning news shows without looking dishonest. But nope. J.D. Vance doubled down on a disproven video. It was a stupid tactic, but you're such a cultist you can't bring yourself to admit it.

Kamala Harris : "We're not going to take anybody's guns." Also Kamala Harris : "We're going to take any guns actually designed to kill people and come into your home and do a safety check, without probable cause or a warrant, to make sure you're being responsible with the guns that we aren't going to take unless they kill people."