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    11-24-2021, 02:41 PM
    Supposing that's true for the sake of argument, it was Arbery's right not to have that. He was under no obligation to let them detain him. And when they tried to, making themselves the aggressors, not him, it was his right to fight back. He was the one fighting in his own self defense. Not them. And it can't be both.
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    11-24-2021, 02:22 PM
    It's not the same circumstances. It's the opposite. In the Rittenhouse case, it was Rittenhouse who tried to flee before resorting to shooting Rosenbaum when he had no other recourse, and Rosenbaum who pursued him. In the Arbery case, it was Arbery, the unarmed man, who tried to flee, and the armed man who pursued him, not allowing him to flee. And Arbery only attempted to grab the gun when he had no other recourse, or at least reasonably believed that he didn't. The one who was the aggressor can't then turn around and say they acted in self defense just because the person they were in the process of trying to detain fought back when they weren't being permitted to flee.
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    11-24-2021, 01:23 PM
    Very different cases, with very different rulings that comport with those differences. But both were murder trials where the defendants claimed to have acted in self defense. In both the prosecution tried to claim that the defendants were the aggressors, and thus not able to claim self defense. And both were national news at the same time, with media trying to play up a racial angle in both. So I think comparisons are inevitable. But in the one case it was clear that the prosecution had no good basis for their claim that the defendant initiated the aggression in any way, while in the other it was clear that their basis for that was firm.
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    11-24-2021, 12:47 PM
    Guilty. Good verdict. Both this case and the Rittenhouse one were pretty clear cut and both came out right.
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    11-24-2021, 06:43 AM
    In the view you are presenting, it would not be accurate to describe the threat posed as white genocide. Or else they would care what color people were.
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    11-23-2021, 08:27 PM
    Are all of the overwhelmingly white ultra-rich and powerful elites actually bringing about their own deaths as unwitting pawns of a secret cabal of dark skinned trillionaire criminal masterminds who will inherit the earth when whites are all gone?
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    11-23-2021, 12:53 PM
    This settles the case right here. If I let the prowler flee, and that's what they do, then there's no occasion for them to wrestle me for my gun. If they are the pursuer, like what happened to Rittenhouse, and which is the opposite of this case, then I'm within my rights to shoot them.
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    11-23-2021, 11:59 AM
    Not just could have. They did.
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    11-23-2021, 09:40 AM
    Why would anyone want to do that?
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    11-23-2021, 07:35 AM
    You are cornered by an armed man pointing a gun at you. You try to flee, and he doesn't let you. You run until you're spent. You're on foot, and he has a truck and buddies in another truck. Now you're facing the man pointing the gun at you. What are your choices? Yes, obviously you can surrender and hope that all he wants to do is detain you until police arrive. But you have no assurance of this. You have reasonable fear that you will be executed on the spot, based on what has already transpired up to that point. Your only other choice is to take your chances with fighting for your life, knowing that you will likely get killed in the process. I don't think I would have chosen to fight. But I can't say that he was wrong to do it. In any case, what I can say clearly is that he was not the aggressor. He was the one trying to get away, who was pursued by the guy with the gun. You cannot be the aggressor, who pursues another person in order to kill or unlawfully detain them, while that other person tries to flee, and then claim self defense when they resort to fighting back and you shoot them. If you don't want to be a murderer, then when they try to flee, you let them.
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    11-23-2021, 07:26 AM
    If it was proven that he was a criminal, would that change anything? I don't see how it would, unless it was the case that he had just committed a crime, and the guys who shot him caught him in the criminal act itself.
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    11-23-2021, 07:22 AM
    Do you disagree with this? Do you think that you do have a right to detain someone for no more of an excuse than that you suspect that they committed a crime without respect for what your reasons are for that suspicion or what crime you suspect it was?
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    11-22-2021, 01:53 PM
    I think in order to have really energetic riots, you need to have names and faces of the ostensibly innocent victims to rally around. In this case, because the alleged "victims" were white men and for multiple reasons not the sorts anyone would rally around, and because the media worked so hard to avoid identifying the victims, this catalyst was not there this time.
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    11-22-2021, 12:29 PM
    I just read this great article about Rittenhouse. Read the rest here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/youngfogey/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-was-no-fool/
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    11-20-2021, 08:48 AM
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again."
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    11-19-2021, 07:01 PM
    That's more in line with what I expected. They really didn't say what that tweet alleged. It was an inference he drew. Notice that this MSNBC person is not saying they believe Rittenhouse should have been found guilty of any kind of homicide, only that he should have been punished for "reckless behavior." I don't agree on that point. But it's not nearly as useful of a quote as the way the previous tweet made it sound.
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    11-19-2021, 06:53 PM
    And your position is that these men who drove up to get in front of him and stopped their truck in his path, with one of them getting out of the truck with a long gun, while another truck was pursuing him from behind, were just letting him pass? I'm not saying there was no space for a human body to fit running around the truck. I'm saying it didn't look like a situation where they were going to permit that. Edit: I just watched the video again, and I don't think you accurately described it. Arbery did initially run around the right side of the truck that was stopped in front of him. It looked like he was trying to continue running past it and away. And at this point the camera is oriented toward Arbery and only shows the right side of the truck, so it's impossible to see what's happening on the left side where the man with the long gun, whom it looked like Arbery was trying to avoid, was. And then when Arbery veers to the left in front of the truck he had just passed, it's clear that that man who had been on the left side was there right in front of the truck. He did not stay on the left side as you claim. He had tried to cross the front of the truck to intercept Arbery. When Arbery veered left it was to meet a man who was already actively moving toward him. Aside from being what the video actually shows, this also makes obvious sense, since, why else was the man with the long gun outside the truck at all? The way it looks is that Arbery, quite reasonably, didn't think he had any way to run away. He had been running for some time being pursued by men in trucks, and now when he's exhausted he's being pursued by a man on foot who just got out of a truck with a long gun. One could argue that he should have just put his hands up and surrendered, possibly allowing them to execute him the way it probably appeared to him they intended to do. But, he instead chose the only other option, which was to try to get the man's gun. Obviously he chose wrong, from the standpoint of one who wants to stay alive. But when that man with the long gun shot him, he can't claim self defense on account of Arbery trying to grab his gun, when he, the man with the gun, was the one who initiated the aggression. What's clear is that these men weren't just following Arbery to keep tabs on him and asking him nicely to talk without any threat of force being used to compel his cooperation. They pursued him, would not let him get away from them, and threatened him with a gun. And by all appearances, this was in order to detain him, which you claim they didn't do.
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    11-19-2021, 06:40 PM
    If they actually said it as explicitly as that tweet put it, it would be a clip worth having.
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    11-19-2021, 06:38 PM
    In the video I saw, he was being pursued by one vehicle, the one the video was being recorded from, and there was another truck already stopped in front of him blocking his path with someone standing outside it with a long gun. Is your position that they were allowing him to run past them and get away, and instead of running away when they were supposedly letting him, he chose to run at them and attack the guy with the long gun? Because it looked to me like he was trapped with nowhere to go (i.e. detained).
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    11-19-2021, 06:31 PM
    Is there a clip of them actually saying that? Or is this just somebody's interpretation of something else they said?
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    11-19-2021, 06:06 PM
    It was his right to run and to run faster when they said the police were coming. Was it not? And then what did they do after that, which resulted in one of them getting close enough to him with a gun that he was able to grab? How did we get from them following him and keeping tabs on him, followed by him running (which is perfectly legal) to that happening, if, as you say, they never detained him?
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    11-19-2021, 04:29 PM
    Why did you put the parts about his being caught on camera in that house in big bold text? Does that have any relevance to the case?
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    11-19-2021, 12:58 PM
    You're right. He sacrificed a great deal for his heroism. He should be admired and celebrated for it. His sacrifices shouldn't go to waste.
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    11-19-2021, 12:27 PM
    We should start a volunteer service organization called the Kyle Rittenhouse Society that helps provide protection and services in times of unrest. Honor this young man as a hero for decades to come.
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    11-19-2021, 11:20 AM
    What's the basis for calling any of that "critical race theory"?
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    11-19-2021, 10:21 AM
    Maybe this is a stupid question, but should the lawyers be privvy to that? When I was on a jury, they weren't. Granted, we didn't deliberate for days on end either. I wonder if the lawyer was just speaking hypothetically.
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    11-19-2021, 10:15 AM
    That's one relevant question. But it's not the only one. The OP addresses a larger question, which I think is more important. A cost benefit analysis of taking the vaccine shouldn't just zero in on one positive effect and neglect other negative ones that may outweigh it. If the vaccine reduces hospitalizations due to COVID while increasing them due to other things, then the net effect, which is what the OP addresses, matters. Granted, the OP doesn't prove the conclusion that taking the COVID vaccine makes a given person more likely to be hospitalized (nor does it claim to prove it), but it's a valid question, and I think a more important one than just the question of the effect of the vaccine on COVID hospitalizations alone. And, while the data presented in the OP isn't conclusive, it is suggestive.
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    11-19-2021, 10:07 AM
    How can anybody know that? Is a juror leaking this to someone?
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