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    Yesterday, 04:02 PM
    Thanks. I have a hunch that that's what the OP was talking about. Funny how they still can't come right out and say it though. If it is, then the very source that nurse says to look up doesn't say anything at all about any quarantine camps that currently exist in the USA. It describes considerations would need to take in order to implement such a thing if and when they ever do in the future. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/global-covid-19/shielding-approach-humanitarian.html Granted, that's bad enough as it is. I would have no problem with calling such things "concentration camps." But no, there's nothing in this source to support the belief that they exist. But we have these yahoos who see sensationalistic headlines in Natural News, and who aren't capable of looking into the evidence for the claims those articles make with any level of critical thought, and then just accept those claims as accepted fact, which they just run with as a given in threads like this one.
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    Yesterday, 03:56 PM
    There is no solution. On the scale of national politics, what will happen will happen, and neither you nor I can change or influence it. We're best off doing what we can within our spheres of influence, accepting the inevitable, and adjusting our lives to live as free as we can in an unfree world.
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    Yesterday, 03:08 PM
    I admit I don't know about Roy--he's the one I could be wrong about. I'm glad to see you're not taken in by Beck. I can't see how you can't see how much of a charlatan West is though. The old satirical TheTexan, sure, that guy would have been all in for Allen West, but not the real guy behind the mask. That doesn't sit well with me.
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    Yesterday, 02:58 PM
    If that bill passes, and Texans are given the chance to vote on secession, West, Roy, and Beck will all campaign actively to get Texans to vote against secession, and the line about the left seceding and not us is going to be one of their key talking points. And their side (i.e. Texas remaining in the Union) will win that vote in a landslide. And their use of that line will help them do it. That's if the bill passes in the first place, which I doubt. But on the off chance it does, that is what will happen.
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    Yesterday, 02:47 PM
    Here you have people not just refraining from explicitly saying they support secession, but rather explicitly saying they oppose it. Which is exactly what we all know their position is anyway, without needing them to tell us. Because, like you said, this comes within a context, and we know this context, and everything in this context has already shown us all we need to know that West, Beck, Roy, and Perry, do not support secession. Like you said, context matters. I'm being attuned to the context. You're in a make believe world where you're ignoring the context of this real world with all the background that the guys you're giving cookies to have, like an abused wife who keeps thinking this same abusive husband is really different this time because he told the same lie that he told the last ten times and you believed him those times too. But you're even worse than that, because this time he's not even telling a lie. He's saying he's going to beat you, and you're giving him a cookie for it. So there's really no need to get into whether or not to interpret them generously, and read between the lines, versus being autistic like me. But since I'm a glutton for punishment, I'll keep playing that game anyway.
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    Yesterday, 02:33 PM
    It's not a worst case interpretation. It's what they explicitly say. Your generous interpretation is the very thing that they explicitly reject. And everything we know about these guys from everything they've ever done and said (I don't know about Roy, but Beck for sure, along with West and Perry) goes against that generous interpretation, even if they ever did say anything that pointed that way.
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    Yesterday, 02:22 PM
    In the clip from the Glenn Beck show with Chip Roy that I posted, Glenn beck says, "It bothers me when I hear people say, 'It's time to secede.' No it is not!" (11:38); and then, "I'm not seceding from America." (11:52); to which Chip replies, "Amen, amen, amen." These words are seasoned with interjections from both men about how the liberals should secede. But only the liberals. Beck and Roy themselves will have no part of doing it. Are these promotions of the cause of secession deserving of cookies?
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    Yesterday, 01:24 PM
    My recollection from the presidential campaigns of Ron and Rand Paul, and the gubernatorial campaign of Debra Medina, was that those guys and their ilk were the ones who actively worked to prevent anything good from happening, not to help bring it about. To the extent that you and I are for some of the same things, I'm all for expanding support for those things by bringing these guys into our camp, with whatever carrots and sticks may help do that. But expanding the boundaries that define who we are so broadly so as to include the very same people who actively thwart our causes inside those boundaries and then tout these enemies as allies every time they hint at some agreement with us while stopping short of saying the most essential things that would make that agreement anything meaningful (in the present case this may be giving them too much credit, since they're expressing positive opposition to secession), doesn't seem like an accomplishment of anything except perhaps making it easier for them to stop us from succeeding at something good in the future when we trust them and they inevitably betray us.
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    Yesterday, 12:01 PM
    And how'd that work out for us?
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    Yesterday, 11:53 AM
    Well then three cheers for autism. Consider the possibilities: Possibility #1 - Congressman Chip Roy, who as far as I know is a Republican in good standing, is saying something very radical and outside of acceptable political discourse, something that's intolerable to his party's leadership and the funders of his campaigns. And he's saying it without actually saying it in a dog whistle that's going right over the heads of the left so that they're not bothered by it. Possibility #2 - Roy is saying nothing more than what he actually says. He sounds tough, and Trumpers, Tea Partiers, and Glenn Beck listeners are eating it up, like they always do. But when you get down to any black and white serious threats that he can be pinned down to. There's nothing there. Which possibility has greater verisimilitude? I remember something eerily like this with Rick Perry when he was a governor. I wish I could remember the specifics well enough to look it up. But it was some big states rights thing where Republicans in Texas were threatening something that was really daring against the feds, and Perry was publicly talking it up, and it came out that behind the scenes he was actively making sure it never came to him for a signature.
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    Yesterday, 11:32 AM
    Here's a clip where Glenn Beck and Chip Roy both give exactly the double-speak you're talking about. They are dead set against seceding and think they can have it both ways by saying the left needs to secede and not them. I wonder if the "implicit threat" of secession you thought you heard in the OP takes on a different implication when heard in the light of this. https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/why-its-the-far-lefts-job-to-secede-not-ours
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    Yesterday, 11:14 AM
    I see that the other way around. What they're essentially saying is, "We're not going to secede. That's up to the liberal states to do. We're going to stay in the union and wait for them to do that."
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    Yesterday, 08:18 AM
    I haven't listened to the speech yet. Mainly because I don't want to sit through 45 minutes of a Congressman talking. But when listening to something like that, the reasonableness of an inference will be based on presuppositions. My presupposition for any representative other than Massie is that any serious notion of secession is unthinkable to them, and if they want to showboat for an audience that wants to hear them sound like they're for it, and if in that showboating they are vague and their supposed support of secession needs to be inferred, it's because they're leaving themselves an out so they can say that's not what they meant, which would be true.
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    Yesterday, 07:29 AM
    Having a BLM group speak out against vaccine mandates is probably one of the best ways to get Trumpers to support vaccine mandates.
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    Yesterday, 05:59 AM
    This is the same NDAA bill that also included requiring girls to register for the draft.
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    Yesterday, 05:58 AM
    I listened to the first couple minutes and didn't hear it in there.
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    09-26-2021, 04:57 PM
    Is there a particular time in the video when he makes the implicit threat?
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    09-26-2021, 06:44 AM
    Did the open borders that the USA had for most of its existence entail this? Open borders doesn't mean borders or sides don't exist. It just means the practice of a free market approach to the peaceful movement of goods and people into and out of the country that has the open borders.
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    09-26-2021, 06:42 AM
    If you thought that quote indicated that TJ was for government restriction of immigration, you were mistaken. Here is the whole essay. https://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/JEFFERSON/ch08.html Notice this line that comes almost immediately after your quote. The attitude TJ exhibits here is a very libertarian one (and closely resembles Ron Paul's approach). There is something he doesn't wish to happen, namely, immigration on a scale that he fears will be too rapid and massive. And yet, he does not give in to that inclination that so abounds among statists of every point of view, which is to insist that the government must prevent or solve this problem by force. Instead he insists on a laissez faire approach. If they come on their own, they have to be allowed to come and to stay. It merely must be without extraordinary encouragements.
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    09-25-2021, 01:17 PM
    So you're going with door #1. Funny though. Ten minutes ago you considered the fact that he was cited in that article a matter of note.
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    09-25-2021, 01:11 PM
    That's precisely the issue. All this expense and effort in this so-called audit, and they didn't even bother to investigate that. So what's the point of them putting out numbers like that that don't in and of themselves indicate anything? Either that audit outfit knew that their own numbers didn't mean anything, meaning that their characterization of the severity of that particular datum as critical was a lie, or else they didn't know it, in which case their representation of what they did as an election audit and their representation of themselves as people with the requisite knowledge to perform such an audit was a lie. In either case they are frauds, and their audit is trash.
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    09-25-2021, 01:10 PM
    In that particular citation, Trey Grayson made a particular claim. That claim was either true or false. Which do you think it was? You have a choice now. You can be a coward and refuse to answer. You can say he was right, and admit that the fact that he was the one who happened to say it doesn't change that. Or you can say he was wrong, and make a fool of yourself.
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    09-25-2021, 01:02 PM
    Here's Arizona's election laws from a state government website. https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/16/00101.htm Note, for example, 16.101.B.
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    09-25-2021, 12:56 PM
    One would also think that posters on this site would have enough critical thinking that they should not need to be taken to task by the likes of Trey Grayson.
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    09-25-2021, 12:41 PM
    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-elections-arizona-phoenix-conspiracy-theories-d38321441bcd6cea58421f6871b4f74e
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    09-24-2021, 07:47 AM
    So then, what this guy did actually contributed nothing at all to any decrease in birth rates, but actually did the exact opposite?
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